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NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

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Mikal
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Young
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21%
Carter
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14%
MPJ
72
47%
 
Total votes: 152

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1541 » by CoreyVillains » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:15 pm

This is probably the best Porter article I’ve read. It’s written by someone who has actually been apart of the draft process so it’s worthwhile reading.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/the-michael-porter-mystery/
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1542 » by kodo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:20 pm

blicka wrote:The hawks want to trade down to draft trae young,everyone wants to be danny ainge/red auerbach

Trade down to get their guy and get more assets in the process and finesse some overzealous team. The kings,mavs,hawks,grizzlies all want to trade down. We'll see if anyone actually does it but for a draft with so many "franchise players" it's strange that 3-4 teams are willing to trade down.


The franchise players of last year were drafted #3, #13, and possibly #7.
09 had two MVP caliber players, who were drafted at #3 and #7.

As long as a team is in that upper range of the 1st round, they have a shot at the best player.

That all being said, this week before is going to be 90% BS. Let's see if the Hawks & Memphis actually trade down or it's just people making up rumors for clicks.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1543 » by fleet » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:24 pm

sco wrote:So for those of you who want the Bulls to draft MPJ, the way I see it you:

1) Are comfortable that his back problems are figuratively but not literally behind him.
2) 1) despite him admitting experiencing pain after he should have given his surgery
3) 1) and 2) view his current spasms as unrelated to his injury or a calculated risk to fall to the Bulls
4) Are able to discern an elite NBA skillset from hs videos and stats
5) Aren't concerned about a lack of apparent defensive chops
6) Aren't concerned about rumors about being selfish from college

All of you who are supporters - I want you to go on record to demonstrate your elite skill by quoting this post and say "Yes - this is what I see"

I'm still for drafting him if the doctors think its ok. This is a typical adjustment year post OP from what limited info I have read. Yeah I like the skills. Somewhat concerrned about defense, but as Rick Mahorn said a few days ago, who plays real defense anyway these days?

Selfishness, a lot of stand out kids are like this in HS. He seems smart enough to ne coachable in the biggest pond.

Yes, my vote stays the same pending new pro day and doctors approval.
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Post#1544 » by taj2133 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:33 pm

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1545 » by fleet » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:40 pm

taj2133 wrote:
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He always looks like he is just messing around at LA Fitness.
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Post#1546 » by Chi town » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:44 pm

The Bulls need to squeeze out one more asset through the draft with their cap space, Portis, and a future 1st.

That could look like...
- Acquiring Kuzma or Ingram with Deng and a pick
- Trading up to 4 or 3 by taking a contract and or trading back with LAC for 12,13 where one pick goes back to MEM or ATL
- Acquiring 14 from DEN for Faried's deal

Ideally, we are looking at 3 pieces added this summer... two of which being premium
Kuzma/Ingram and Luka/JJJ (Trade up to 3 or 4)
Moving up from 22 for Knox, Miles, Huerter etc.

If the Bulls play this right they could be sitting with a young squad with lots of upside in a wide open East. Staying where they are at 7 and 22 won't be enough IMO unless we hit on another Lauri type of prospect.
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Post#1547 » by mschmidt64 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:55 pm

Chi town wrote:The Bulls need to squeeze out one more asset through the draft with their cap space, Portis, and a future 1st.

That could look like...
- Acquiring Kuzma or Ingram with Deng and a pick
- Trading up to 4 or 3 by taking a contract and or trading back with LAC for 12,13 where one pick goes back to MEM or ATL
- Acquiring 14 from DEN for Faried's deal

Ideally, we are looking at 3 pieces added this summer... two of which being premium
Kuzma/Ingram and Luka/JJJ (Trade up to 3 or 4)
Moving up from 22 for Knox, Miles, Huerter etc.

If the Bulls play this right they could be sitting with a young squad with lots of upside in a wide open East. Staying where they are at 7 and 22 won't be enough IMO unless we hit on another Lauri type of prospect.


Agreed, get aggressive Chicago.
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Post#1548 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:56 pm

Chi town wrote:The Bulls need to squeeze out one more asset through the draft with their cap space, Portis, and a future 1st.

That could look like...
- Acquiring Kuzma or Ingram with Deng and a pick
- Trading up to 4 or 3 by taking a contract and or trading back with LAC for 12,13 where one pick goes back to MEM or ATL
- Acquiring 14 from DEN for Faried's deal

Ideally, we are looking at 3 pieces added this summer... two of which being premium
Kuzma/Ingram and Luka/JJJ (Trade up to 3 or 4)
Moving up from 22 for Knox, Miles, Huerter etc.

If the Bulls play this right they could be sitting with a young squad with lots of upside in a wide open East. Staying where they are at 7 and 22 won't be enough IMO unless we hit on another Lauri type of prospect.


Not sure they would move Ingram but if they would trade him and Deng for pick #22, then we swap picks with Dallas to draft Bamba

Dunn, LaVine, Ingram, Lauri, Bamba.

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Post#1549 » by NewEra21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:01 pm

I think the combination of the Bulls viewing this as a top 7 or 8 draft, along with their conservative nature in the past, I don't see them making any aggressive moves. I believe their content at just letting the chips fall where they may, and preserving their cap space.
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Post#1550 » by Chi town » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:04 pm

G Buckets wrote:
Chi town wrote:The Bulls need to squeeze out one more asset through the draft with their cap space, Portis, and a future 1st.

That could look like...
- Acquiring Kuzma or Ingram with Deng and a pick
- Trading up to 4 or 3 by taking a contract and or trading back with LAC for 12,13 where one pick goes back to MEM or ATL
- Acquiring 14 from DEN for Faried's deal

Ideally, we are looking at 3 pieces added this summer... two of which being premium
Kuzma/Ingram and Luka/JJJ (Trade up to 3 or 4)
Moving up from 22 for Knox, Miles, Huerter etc.

If the Bulls play this right they could be sitting with a young squad with lots of upside in a wide open East. Staying where they are at 7 and 22 won't be enough IMO unless we hit on another Lauri type of prospect.


Not sure they would move Ingram but if they would trade him and Deng for pick #22, then we swap picks with Dallas to draft Bamba

Dunn, LaVine, Ingram, Lauri, Bamba.

:o


If we absorbed Deng would we have enough room to absorb Faried too?
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Post#1551 » by sco » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Truebiscuit wrote:The Dallas fans think that there is 0% chance they draft MPJ; said it likely will be one of JJJ, Bamba, Carter.

I think MPJ is going to fall right into our laps.

Like bird poop.
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Post#1552 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:10 pm

sco wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:The Dallas fans think that there is 0% chance they draft MPJ; said it likely will be one of JJJ, Bamba, Carter.

I think MPJ is going to fall right into our laps.

Like bird poop.


lmao nice one
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Post#1553 » by fleet » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:11 pm

sco wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:The Dallas fans think that there is 0% chance they draft MPJ; said it likely will be one of JJJ, Bamba, Carter.

I think MPJ is going to fall right into our laps.

Like bird poop.

I laughed :lol:
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Post#1554 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:13 pm

NewEra21 wrote:I think the combination of the Bulls viewing this as a top 7 or 8 draft, along with their conservative nature in the past, I don't see them making any aggressive moves. I believe their content at just letting the chips fall where they may, and preserving their cap space.


preserve it for whom?

Bulls are better off following the Spurs/GSW model and building their contender through the draft. AD isn't coming here unless he legitimately believes he can win a title with us. At that same time he is a FA, GSW will be right on his heels to add him to a long-lasting dynasty.

But maybe, just maybe AD would want to come home to lead Lauri & co. to the finals.

Let's not even forget to mention Boston in this ordeal. He just has better options if he wants to win in 2020.
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Post#1555 » by NewEra21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:20 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
NewEra21 wrote:I think the combination of the Bulls viewing this as a top 7 or 8 draft, along with their conservative nature in the past, I don't see them making any aggressive moves. I believe their content at just letting the chips fall where they may, and preserving their cap space.


preserve it for whom?

Bulls are better off following the Spurs/GSW model and building their contender through the draft. AD isn't coming here unless he legitimately believes he can win a title with us. At that same time he is a FA, GSW will be right on his heels to add him to a long-lasting dynasty.

But maybe, just maybe AD would want to come home to lead Lauri & co. to the finals.

Let's not even forget to mention Boston in this ordeal. He just has better options if he wants to win in 2020.

Honestly Im not really sure. AD sounds like the most obvious route, but as you said its no guarantee he comes here. Im just basing that opinion off of what Bulls front office history tells us. Im all for being aggressive, making risky but creative moves. But i dont make the decisions. And Bulls front office tendencies tell us they will more than likely be conservative and take their BPA and maintain financial flexibility. That strategy isn't always terrible, but at some point I just wish they tried something a little more risky instead of playing it safe.
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Post#1556 » by KevinPandawong » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:52 pm

Half the fun of this time of the year is exploring possibilities, but if the Bulls shoot for par I am really excited with adding Carter and Hutchison to the starting line-up. Dunn, Hutchison, and Carter are more than passable as spot up shooters from 3 and all 5 of them are at least above average at creating their own shot or passing. I was down on Hutchison because Bates-Diop is my favorite player this draft, but his close-out potential is right up there with Tatum and even Giannis, it's amazing to watch him gather with 1 dribble from the 3 point line. Dunn and Lavine will thrive offensively running horns with Markannen and Carter.

To much of my disliking, Lavine has to be the #1 option if he's in a starting line-up. There's just no other purpose for him on the court other than volume scoring. I don't think Young or Porter take any of his shots away, but rather take them from Dunn or Lauri which would negatively affect their development. The hope I'm holding onto is that Lavine is resigned to a reasonable contract and scores 22+ PPG relatively efficiently, making him a passable centerpiece towards trading for a disgruntled star. Until then he is the offense's #1 and any other volume scorer we try to insert in the starting line-up will be diminishing returns or a major hitch in our team's development.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1557 » by bigworld2017 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:02 pm

After looking over the rosters of the top drafting teams if have revised my Mock Draft (this assumed no trades of draft picks.)
1) Phoenix -- Ayton
2) Kings -- Bagley
3) Atlanta -- Bamba
4) Griz -- Doncic
5) Dallas -- JJJ
6) Magic -- Young
7) Bulls -- Carter

If the Bulls want Bamba I think they are going to have to Trade up with the Kings. I don't think he lasts past Atlanta. John Collins is a 6'-10" stretch "4" that has been playing out of position with Atlanta. He's not a "5". And if the Bulls don't pull off a trade I can't see them taking a risk on Porter. They already saw their franchise take a huge hit losing All Stars in their prime like Noah and Rose. Porter is simply too big a risk for a front office that can survive drafting an average starter but would be crucified for a medically induced failure when the warning signs were everywhere. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Porter will last long enough in the league to realize his immense potential. That 82 game grind, plus playoffs, plus training camp, all that travel...it adds up. So GarPax....make a deal with Sacramento. They are an awful team with multiple needs. #7 + #22 and a player not named Lauri might get it done.
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Post#1558 » by Ctownbulls » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:42 pm

If we've realized anything with this front office is that they are happy to add in late first round and 2nd round picks into deals as sweeteners to get what they want. Let's see if they really like a player so much that they give up #22 or something else.

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Post#1559 » by bad knees » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:48 pm

My dream:

Figure out a way to trade for 4 while keeping 7. (My favorite trade: get 14 from the Nugs, and trade 14, 22, Portis and Holiday for 4).

Presuming the first three picks go Ayton, Bagley and Bamba/JJJ, take either Bamba or JJJ at 4 (whoever is left). This will put tremendous pressure on Dallas, as the best available players would be Doncic and Young - both functional PG's - and Dallas has DSJ. Hope that Dallas decides to reach for MPJ or Carter.

Then ORL is looking Doncic and Young. We take at 7 whoever they don't take at 6.

Trade Dunn to PHO for 16 and 31. Draft BPA 3 and D players to support Doncic/Young.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#1560 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:07 pm

I've been away for awhile due to my apt. building burning down, but I still like Porter with our pick. If he's gone, Carter is a good pick, too. It's doubtful both will be gone, but if so, I'd be 50-50 picking between Bamba and Mikal, but would lean towards Bamba, just because of the high ceiling.

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