2018 Draft Thread Lucky #7

Davell · Post #1741 » by **Davell** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:28 am

Assuming we draft in the 7-8 range, I'm all for trading the Pels pick and Portis to move up for one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.

_txchilibowl_ · Post #1742 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:37 am

Davell wrote:Assuming we draft in the 7-8 range, I'm all for trading the Pels pick and Portis to move up for one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.

I would too. Problem is finding a team who wants that.

Post #1743 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:40 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
Davell wrote:Assuming we draft in the 7-8 range, I'm all for trading the Pels pick and Portis to move up for one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.

I would too. Problem is finding a team who wants that.

Let’s say we land at 7. I think you’d need one of those guys to fall to 5th. I can’t see that collection of assets moving us up more than 2 spots.

Davell · Post #1744 » by **Davell** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:42 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
Davell wrote:Assuming we draft in the 7-8 range, I'm all for trading the Pels pick and Portis to move up for one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.

I would too. Problem is finding a team who wants that.

Obviously. No idea who ends up 1-3, but you gotta hope one of them likes Trae, Bamba, JJJ, or Porter and is willing to drop down. I'm trying to be hopeful at least. If for no other reason, than we conceivably add more picks by that time too.

Post #1745 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:43 am

It took a pretty strong pick from Philly to go from Tatum to Fultz. I don't see a trade up that's worth our while.

_txchilibowl_ · Post #1746 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:59 am

If I ran an NBA team my #1 goal would almost always be consolidation. Unless you're a contender all pieces should be on the table. The exception being top-end youth.

Having said that...

Lauri + CHI #1 for the #1 overall pick

Value wise I think that'd be what it would take. Personally, I don't trust that the talent gap between #1 and #7 is such a sure thing that I would pull the trigger. But if you do....

DanTown8587 · Post #1747 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:03 am

GimmeDat wrote:It took a pretty strong pick from Philly to go from Tatum to Fultz. I don't see a trade up that's worth our while.

And took a GM willing to move down because he trusted his player evaluation. No GM is making that trade sans AInge because you do that and you get fired.

Benedict Miller · Post #1748 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:07 am

Davell wrote:Assuming we draft in the 7-8 range, I'm all for trading the Pels pick and Portis to move up for one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.

Only trading the Pelicans pick plus Portis won't get you Bagley, Ayton or Doncic.

With the exception of Markkanen, I'd trade any and every asset for Doncic. Anything to escape the fate of drafting Mikal Bridges in the top 8.

Davell · Post #1749 » by **Davell** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:50 am

I definitely want one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic..... But I truly fail to see how Mikal Bridges is such an awful pick. I think he's a definite solid starter. High floor, with some ceiling too. I feel relatively confident he winds up as a top 7 guy from the class, once you look back in 10 years.

Is that exciting? Probably not. But, I think he's a long-term starter at least.

I'd take my chances with him over higher upside types like Young or even JJJ.

I know there's plenty of opposition to that and I get it. But, I think their bust rate is too high personally, to take the shot on their upside. On the right day, I may even say the same on Bamba. But, I do figure I'd take him, if it actually came down to it.....

WindyCityBorn · Post #1750 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:51 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:If I ran an NBA team my #1 goal would almost always be consolidation. Unless you're a contender all pieces should be on the table. The exception being top-end youth.

Having said that...

Lauri + CHI #1 for the #1 overall pick

Value wise I think that'd be what it would take. Personally, I don't trust that the talent gap between #1 and #7 is such a sure thing that I would pull the trigger. But if you do....

I would not do this trade. I don't think I would trade Markkanen straight up for #1. I believe he is going to be an elite player and could easily end up better than any of guys in this year's top 6. I might be delusional, but he is the one guy on the roster I full believe in. I'm only trading Lauri for something unrealistic like Ben Simmons or Giannis.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1751 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:10 am

Davell wrote:I definitely want one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic..... But I truly fail to see how Mikal Bridges is such an awful pick. I think he's a definite solid starter. High floor, with some ceiling too. I feel relatively confident he winds up as a top 7 guy from the class, once you look back in 10 years.

Is that exciting? Probably not. But, I think he's a long-term starter at least.

I'd take my chances with him over higher upside types like Young or even JJJ.

I know there's plenty of opposition to that and I get it. But, I think their bust rate is too high personally, to take the shot on their upside. On the right day, I may even say the same on Bamba. But, I do figure I'd take him, if it actually came down to it.....

I just begrudgingly watched some more highlights of Mikal Bridges and here are my thoughts:

Strengths:
Outside shooting - can get shot off quick and on the move. Very impressed
Defense - Great help defender. Can't tell much about man defense but he has the rep
Passing - Seems to about average vision. Definitely not a black hooe
Intensity/competitiveness - reminds me of Dunn at Providence. Just a dog!

Weaknesses:
Size - looks like a questionable 6'7" and he has a very thin frame
Athleticism - he has some VERY impressive dunks and blocks, but his vertical seems average to below average. The fact that he plays so dynamic with amazing measurable shows a great feel for the game though
Handles - He doesn't show much ability to create ofc the dribble. Not sure if that is because of the system he plays in or because he lacks the skill. Hard to argue that Villanova should do anything different on offense though.

Is there more to his game than what he is showing at the college because it projects well, but not elite. I could easily see him ending up better than some guys taken before him, but I couldn't tell you which ones and I would not draft him before any player in that almost universal top 6.

Honestly reminds me of Deng except shorter. Especially at that point in Deng's career where he was pretty much automatic from 20 feet.

Post #1752 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:14 am

Sometimes an elite role player is better than a 2nd tier star player.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1753 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:28 am

GimmeDat wrote:Sometimes an elite role player is better than a 2nd tier star player.

Absolutely, but role players need stars to play off of. He looks he can play with any one though. I could easily see him taking Holiday's spot seamlessly. I guess the question is do you acquire role players without going for potential stars first? You stated your preference on Bridges vs Young though. I'm not sure because even though I'm absolutely not a fan of Young he could be great.

Post #1754 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:38 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Sometimes an elite role player is better than a 2nd tier star player.

Absolutely, but role players need stars to play off of. He looks he can play with any one though. I could easily see him taking Holiday's spot seamlessly. I guess the question is do you acquire role players without going for potential stars first? You stated your preference on Bridges vs Young though. I'm not sure because even though I'm absolutely not a fan of Young he could be great.

That's reasonable, I just don't think Young's the answer. We're seeing teams like Utah and Denver becoming very solid but possible treadmill teams based on a lack of star power - but then all it takes is one hit on someone like Mitchell for things to change. I think I'd rather be in that position than taking swings at guys each year and ending up deep lottery over and over.

Post #1755 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:48 am

I posted this in the trade thread, bit of a fantasy, but an interesting thought -

We finish 6th and pick up Bamba.

Lyles/Beasley for Valentine/Grant (Nuggets mod on the trade board thought this was a slight win for us talent wise but it was worth it for them to fill 2 needs).

Portis/Pels pick (let's say 16-18 range)/Felicio for 9th (NY pick)/Noah (take on salary, trade a couple of assets to move up).

Considering we've taken Bamba at #6, I assume Mikal would go to either Cavs or Kings, and that neither team would take Young. Draft Young at #9.

In 2019, there are a plethora of great wing prospects in the lottery (Barrett, Reddish, Little, Doumbouya, Brissett, Zion (probs more of a 4), Wilkes, etc.). Aim to draft one of the 2nd tier guys (at this point that's one of Little or Doumbouya) in that 5-10 range we likely fall in to.

This is the resulting roster -

Dunn / Young
Lavine / Beasley
Little / Nwaba
Markkanen / Lyles
Bamba / RoLo / Noah

There's heaps of cap space to work with still their as well, even more so if you ditch RoLo in a deal.

Axolotl · Post #1756 » by **Axolotl** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:54 am

Bamba & Young would be an outstanding outcome.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1757 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:54 am

GimmeDat wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Sometimes an elite role player is better than a 2nd tier star player.

Absolutely, but role players need stars to play off of. He looks he can play with any one though. I could easily see him taking Holiday's spot seamlessly. I guess the question is do you acquire role players without going for potential stars first? You stated your preference on Bridges vs Young though. I'm not sure because even though I'm absolutely not a fan of Young he could be great.

That's reasonable, I just don't think Young's the answer. We're seeing teams like Utah and Denver becoming very solid but possible treadmill teams based on a lack of star power - but then all it takes is one hit on someone like Mitchell for things to change. I think I'd rather be in that position than taking swings at guys each year and ending up deep lottery over and over.

You think we are a deep lottery team next season? If we keep Lopez and get anything near the kind of improvement we want out of Markkanen, Dunn and LaVine we should be really be challenging for a playoff spot regardless of this year's pick. If those three(or say two of those three, you can choose the two) disappointment then it's mid-lottery again no matter what.

kodo · Post #1758 » by **kodo** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:08 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Honestly reminds me of Deng except shorter. Especially at that point in Deng's career where he was pretty much automatic from 20 feet.

With there being a big difference in that Lu was 19 when he started playing for Chicago.
Bridges will be 22.

Deng made a nice jump when he was 21, it was his best year, 19 ppg 7 rpg.
Mikal will be already older than Deng when that happened.

At #8 or #9, that might be the best we'll get.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1759 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:22 am

kodo wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Honestly reminds me of Deng except shorter. Especially at that point in Deng's career where he was pretty much automatic from 20 feet.

With there being a big difference in that Lu was 19 when he started playing for Chicago.
Bridges will be 22.

Deng made a nice jump when he was 21, it was his best year, 19 ppg 7 rpg.
Mikal will be already older than Deng when that happened.

At #8 or #9, that might be the best we'll get.

Well we won the game I was terrified of winning so now I thin losing the last 6 is not unrealistic. No tanking teams left on the schedule which seem to be the only ones we can beat. That would probably net us tied for 6th at worst because Sacramento will win at least one of two against Phoenix/Memphis.

If we somehow fell to 9th Mikal Bridges wouldn't be an option because New York would likely take him.

Benedict Miller · Post #1760 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:04 am

Trae Young took bad shots, finished the end of games poorly, and finished the season poorly. With that said, he's far from Curry, but I do believe in his skills and potential.