Trade Winds Cont. (2015-16 Trade Thread)

[Edug27]

So Smart can attack the basket and get into the paint like ET has been doing all season? This is news to me.

Yes.

You're living in dream land my friend. Stop watching his college highlights, and watch him in the NBA.

[FakeScreenName123]

So Smart can attack the basket and get into the paint like ET has been doing all season? This is news to me.

Yes.

You're living in dream land my friend. Stop watching his college highlights, and watch him in the NBA.

It's hard to do those things continuously when the ball isn't in your hand. Stop being willfully obtuse. Yer better than this.

[Edug27]

Smart can not do what Turner does on offense. He cant pass nor get to the rim like he does. Smart doesnt have the handle or quickness to beat his man to the basket. His game is catch and shoot .. or the pull up FT jumper/floater.

none of this is true.

I find myself on the fence here.....I want to believe in Smart.....in that he will eventually be able to attack the basket....

But he has had his problems somewhat doing this in the past.....However, it seemed like he had made some progress during summer league and to begin the year before his injury occurred....

The bigger problem, in my opinion, is that Marcus plays so hard on defense, that he is often injured from his rather reckless abandon...and much like Avvery Bradley, who has also been injured allot in the past, Smart needs to tone things down a might so he can remain on the court....

Sooner or later, Smart will figure this out....but experience is something he is short on right now....but he's bound to improve over time......We just have to be patient with him and wait....

Unlike AB, I think Marcus has the handles to play the point....but it will take some time for him to develop his skills....

He's not quite there yet.....

He can definitely develop into that player .. but right now hes not. He can't do any of those things you mentioned. Which is why ET is needed. Young couldn't play defense, and everyone wrote him off ... but Smart can't attack the basket or get into the paint like we all hoped he would from seeing him in college, and everyone is relax about it.

[Edug27]

Yes.

You're living in dream land my friend. Stop watching his college highlights, and watch him in the NBA.

It's hard to do those things continuously when the ball isn't in your hand. Stop being willfully obtuse. Yer better than this.

The ball isn't in his hands enough to make a play to get into the paint and attack the rim rather than jacking up shots like hes Kyle Korver? Oy vey.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't feel like ET is needed next year 1) because he can't shoot and this offense needs shooters. 2) because we have enough capable ballhandlers( Smart, IT, Jae, RJ, KO, Rozier) on the roster where I think his strengths will be mitigated. Other guys will have to step up and they will. It's been good having him. But he's not so good that the other guys on this team that shoot better and are as good as if not better defenders won't compensate.

[Tenbomber]

Stevens put Turner in a position to succeed and he has. He makes plays.

Turner wasn't used properly in Philadelphia and in Indiana he wasn't used at all. Keep hating if you want, but I'm sure that Ainge and Stevens appreciate his value as a big guard who can get to the rim, post up smaller defenders and defend three positions reasonably well.

As for never contributing to a contender, IMHO Turner is every bit as good as Shawn Livingston, and should play a similar role.

I want to ask you a few questions, regarding this resigning topic of Turner. But i'll get a few assumptions in here so we have a basis of this discussion.

Assumptions:
- Ainge does not aquire an additional guard/wing via free agecny but drafts a sf/pf with some pick
- Ainge fails to make a big splash again

Meaning:
- Ainge resigns Turner to a 4yrs/$28million deal

Questions:
- Do Thomas, Bradley, Smart and Crowder have a set place in your rotation?
- What role does Turner have with this team and how many minutes does he need to validate his new contract?
- What happens to our young guards/wings once we resign Turner? Trade them send them to the dleague? Cut them?

I sort of agree with Crum on Turner...So i'll take a swing at answering your questions....

Question 1....Yes....though some of Smart's minutes will be at the shooting guard spot....(I suspect Hunter and Turner's minutes will decrease depending on the situation....I think Isaiah Thomas starts....

Question 2 ....He continues in his role until the others earn their playing time....

Question 3 ....Status quo....pretty much like things have been.....

I mean having Turner as the backup point has been working well....and we are winning games.....Why change the mix?

I'll go along with the idea that the young players will have to earn their minutes and take their respective shots when called upon to fill in....beyond that, I don't see that we should make a special effort to play them in situations they are not ready for...

Let me add that Brad has done a good job to date in trying to incorporate the young players into the lineup when there is an injury or a match up that is favorable for them or if someone in the rotation is having a bad night....I'd expect about the same deal from Brad in the future....And if that means that some of the young players are headed up the pike to play with the Red Claws.....So be it...

****One additional comment....I think it's likely that either Evan Turner or Marcus Smart will be part of some sort of trade come the trading deadline.....and make this discussion somewhat of a moot point....JMO

[Curmudgeon]

The issue isn't Turner vs Smart. They are both good players. In a trade scenario, Smart obviously will have more value, especially since Turner is free to walk at the end of the year and a team trading for him would not have full Bird rights.

The other issue with Turner is that if he continues to play well, he may get free agent offers that the Celtics are unwilling to match.

[Drax]

For me the question is do we want to keep Turner or do we want to develop the many young guards/wings that Danny has drafted? If you resign Turner that means you plan with him, play him and you have a pretty crowded rotation with not a lot of minutes for our young prospects. Our rotation for the guards/wings would be finiancially be set up for years and age wise set up for years. To me that would indicate that unless one of the youngster breaks out in the garbage time left minutes in the rotaion they are dead in the water at the beginning of their rookie contracts. Trade them asap if you intent to resign Turner. No profit in keeping them and let the value plummet.

[Powe-Fessional]

And let's be real: Boogie Cousins isn't playing in Boston unless Brad Stevens wants him here.


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Well, yea, isn't that the case with most well run franchises. Coaches have a lot of input.

The point being: We all trust Stevens, right? I know I do. So if Boogie is here it's because Brad has faith in him turning his personality around. I have faith in Brad. Therefore, I have faith in Boogie.

[Tenbomber]

The issue isn't Turner vs Smart. They are both good players. In a trade scenario, Smart obviously will have more value, especially since Turner is free to walk at the end of the year and a team trading for him would not have full Bird rights.

The other issue with Turner is that if he continues to play well, he may get free agent offers that the Celtics are unwilling to match.

Good points.....

[Tenbomber]

For me the question is do we want to keep Turner or do we want to develop the many young guards/wings that Danny has drafted? If you resign Turner that means you plan with him, play him and you have a pretty crowded rotation with not a lot of minutes for our young prospects. Our rotation for the guards/wings would be finiancially be set up for years and age wise set up for years. To me that would indicate that unless one of the youngster breaks out in the garbage time left minutes in the rotaion they are dead in the water at the beginning of their rookie contracts. Trade them asap if you intent to resign Turner. No profit in keeping them and let the value plummet.

I don't see it being as cut and dry as all that....but it's almost certain that we are built to go get an established star.....and at that point the rotation will have to be reworked minus the players that were traded....

[Tenbomber]

And let's be real: Boogie Cousins isn't playing in Boston unless Brad Stevens wants him here.


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Well, yea, isn't that the case with most well run franchises. Coaches have a lot of input.

The point being: We all trust Stevens, right? I know I do. So if Boogie is here it's because Brad has faith in him turning his personality around. I have faith in Brad. Therefore, I have faith in Boogie.

I think Ainge's recent comments sorta rule that out.....I don't think Ainge or Brad for that matter, want a headache.....or a headcase...

Boogie is clearly both...

[Edug27]

Well, yea, isn't that the case with most well run franchises. Coaches have a lot of input.

The point being: We all trust Stevens, right? I know I do. So if Boogie is here it's because Brad has faith in him turning his personality around. I have faith in Brad. Therefore, I have faith in Boogie.

I think Ainge's recent comments sorta rule that out.....I don't think Ainge or Brad for that matter, want a headache.....or a headcase...

Boogie is clearly both...

While I sort of agree, I never trust a word Danny says in the media. I still think Danny is keeping tabs on the situation there.

[Drax]

I sort of agree with Crum on Turner...So i'll take a swing at answering your questions....

Question 1....Yes....though some of Smart's minutes will be at the shooting guard spot....(I suspect Hunter and Turner's minutes will decrease depending on the situation....I think Isaiah Thomas starts....

Question 2 ....He continues in his role until the others earn their playing time....

Question 3 ....Status quo....pretty much like things have been.....

I mean having Turner as the backup point has been working well....and we are winning games.....Why change the mix?

I'll go along with the idea that the young players will have to earn their minutes and take their respective shots when called upon to fill in....beyond that, I don't see that we should make a special effort to play them in situations they are not ready for...

Let me add that Brad has done a good job to date in trying to incorporate the young players into the lineup when there is an injury or a match up that is favorable for them or if someone in the rotation is having a bad night....I'd expect about the same deal from Brad in the future....And if that means that some of the young players are headed up the pike to play with the Red Claws.....So be it...

****One additional comment....I think it's likely that either Evan Turner or Marcus Smart will be part of some sort of trade come the trading deadline.....and make this discussion somewhat of a moot point....JMO

But once you commit financially to a player the opportunities will be less frequent for others. Do you you sign a player to a long term deal and expect him to have the same role for the whole duration of it? Or lose his role entirely if actually someone steps up and takes a leap? What if Hunter by next seasons tradedeadline starts to hit 40% of his threes and plays smart, but you just signed Turner to a 4 year deal what do you do?

What is the worst case that could happen if we not even try to resign Turner? Rozier and Hunter get more minutes? Smart gets more? Is that a bad thing?

[chrisab123]

One thing that needs to be addressed and soon (such as the next month or so) is the rotation. I still feel with the bigs on this team there isn't a set rotation. This doesn't help a guy who is still developing such as Zeller and Sullinger. You need to obviously make a trade as well since the Celtics have about 6 picks in this draft and should probably only use one. So here are some ideas in theory.

You could go all NBA2K on a trade and preemptively deal every pick but the Brooklyn one to a projected upper lottery team and hope that it hits gold.

You could deal the Celtics Mavs Picks Lee and maybe a guy like Zeller for the Dwightmare. Maybe empty out some Brooklyn picks for Harden but I doubt Houston makes that deal.

Go all in on a guy like Blake Griffin if the Clippers continue to struggle. Actual chances of them ever dealing him is zero.

Make a small trade of Lee and the Dallas Pick for Gallo.

Make a bigger trade of Lee and draft picks for Gasol. Maybe deal Smart as well if you get Conley back and a verbal commit on a small extension.

Trade every possible 2016 pick and Lee for Cousins.

Then there is Melo...

I have zero clue which direction Danny Ainge will go. Who knows? I believe they will start to consolidate assets at the deadline and probably deal a few picks for either the Amir or Lee contract. The funny part is I still think Lee can go in terms of actually being a productive player. But right now hes probably 4th or 5th on the big depth chart. Barring injury that needle probably isn't moving. I think a Gallo for Lee/Pick trade has always made the most sense.

[Celts17Pride]

Evan Turner is a very important part of this Celtics team and they would be much worse without him. Stevens knows this that's why he plays all the time. If people can't see this then their is no hope for you.

Wouldn't surprise me if Turner is here for the next 3-5 years.

Turner is a very value player because of his production and versatility. Turner is a great bench player but not a starter in my opinion.

[FakeScreenName123]

If people can't see this then their is no hope for you.

My god. Seems a little strong, maybe? With the elimination of hope - what else is there? Seppuku?

[Celts17Pride]

If people can't see this then their is no hope for you.

My god. Seems a little strong, maybe? With the elimination of hope - what else is there? Seppuku?

No hope meaning Haters are just going to hate.

Evan Turner is not a perfect player (no one is) but he is a very productive and important part of the Celtics.

[Banks2Pierce]

Evan Turner is a very important part of this Celtics team and they would be much worse without him. Stevens knows this that's why he plays all the time. If people can't see this then their is no hope for you.

Ok, I'll bite. Why are we +193 without him and -43 with him then for the past two seasons?

[BRUNiNHO91]

One thing that needs to be addressed and soon (such as the next month or so) is the rotation. I still feel with the bigs on this team there isn't a set rotation. This doesn't help a guy who is still developing such as Zeller and Sullinger. You need to obviously make a trade as well since the Celtics have about 6 picks in this draft and should probably only use one. So here are some ideas in theory.

You could go all NBA2K on a trade and preemptively deal every pick but the Brooklyn one to a projected upper lottery team and hope that it hits gold.

You could deal the Celtics Mavs Picks Lee and maybe a guy like Zeller for the Dwightmare. Maybe empty out some Brooklyn picks for Harden but I doubt Houston makes that deal.

Go all in on a guy like Blake Griffin if the Clippers continue to struggle. Actual chances of them ever dealing him is zero.

Make a small trade of Lee and the Dallas Pick for Gallo.

Make a bigger trade of Lee and draft picks for Gasol. Maybe deal Smart as well if you get Conley back and a verbal commit on a small extension.

Trade every possible 2016 pick and Lee for Cousins.

Then there is Melo...

I have zero clue which direction Danny Ainge will go. Who knows? I believe they will start to consolidate assets at the deadline and probably deal a few picks for either the Amir or Lee contract. The funny part is I still think Lee can go in terms of actually being a productive player. But right now hes probably 4th or 5th on the big depth chart. Barring injury that needle probably isn't moving. I think a Gallo for Lee/Pick trade has always made the most sense.

I actually think Noah is a guy that Ainge might look into. Big man that can play inside and pass the ball really well. Brings defense, runs the floor and hustles. Would fit right in with Crowder, Smart and AB..seems like he's available and would come for decently cheap.

Some sort of 3 team trade with Noah coming to Boston, a pick and Lee going to Denver, Gallinari going to Chicago might work for everybody.. maybe Chicago throws in Snell to Denver in there..

Boston NEEDS to trade some of those picks anyways.

A Noah, Amir, Olynyk, Sullinger, Mickey 4-5 rotation has a lot of promise for next year IMO.