Trade Winds Cont. (2015-16 Trade Thread)

[bucknersrevenge]

Who's got a scoring 4 we can acquire without giving up a BKN pick? I'm falling real short on solutions for this one.

I think Jae is developing into a more than adequate SF for us. He's probsbly our 1B to Thomas' 1A. Need the 4 spot to be upgraded real bad.

There are only 3 power forwards scoring over 20PPG in the league, Cousins, Davis, and Griffin. Only 8 others scoring over 15PPG and all of them are probably staying put. Faried, Noel, and Randolph are probably the only 3 I can think of who average between 10-15PPG that may be available. Not very much out there.

Keef could definitely score 15-18 per in a different situation. His brothers doing it in Detroit and was considered the far lesser talented brother.

If you look at simply the skillset, Kieff has the postgame of a go-to guy. He can get off a shot pretty much whenever he wants. He has the game to be an effective inside-out scorer and before all this happened, he was on an upward trajectory as far as that is concerned. But obviously we can't just look at that. There are clearly a lot of warts here all which have been hashed out ad nauseum. It comes down to whether Ainge wants to take the chance on a guy with a low salary and see if Stevens can build him up.

[jinx8402]

Not sure how high any one is on him, or if he is even remotely available, but would anybody do something like this:

CJ McCollum/Kaman

for

Bradley/Zeller/Non BKLYN 1st

Too much from a C's perspective? Not nearly enough to entice Portland?

[Curmudgeon]

Just Bradley for McCollum. I wouldn't give much more, cetainly not a first rounder. McCollum is playing extremely well right now, but there's no assurance that he isn't a flash in the pan.
The salaries don't have to match since Portland is so far under the cap.

[Murta]

Buy low, sell high, not the other way around. I proposed 4-5 different trade scenarios last season for McCollum, but there's no way I'd trade for him now.

[FakeScreenName123]

Not sure how high any one is on him, or if he is even remotely available, but would anybody do something like this:

CJ McCollum/Kaman

for

Bradley/Zeller/Non BKLYN 1st

Too much from a C's perspective? Not nearly enough to entice Portland?

not nearly enough to entice portland. CJs their 2nd best player by far, him and lillard are awesome together and they have him under a good rookie deal. And he's really really really good.

[Curmudgeon]

Actually, Bradley would be better to cover up some of Lillard's defensive deficiencies. The Celtics are trading defense for offense here.

Portland is also way below the 90% salary floor, so McCollum's "good rookie deal" isn't nearly as helpful for the Blazers as it would be to a team with a higher payroll.

[BleedGreen1989]

Yikes, in which universe is Ryan Anderson worth two decent rotation players AND a first round pick that could be in the top half of the first round? That guy is four or five years past his best basketball and was never that amazing to begin with. The Celtics should be putting in the second round pick and getting back the first rounder.

I'm not saying I'd do the trade, but this is factually incorrect.

In what way? I would say that he suffered a major injury last year and he hasn't fully recovered from it. His best year was either in Orlando or his first year with New Orleans.

He's essentially matching that best year you're referring too.

Was off to a career season two years ago (not last year) before Gerald Wallace decided to "hit stick" him. Took last year to recover.

He's only 27 years old.

[FakeScreenName123]

Actually, Bradley would be better to cover up some of Lillard's defensive deficiencies. The Celtics are trading defense for offense here.

Portland is also way below the 90% salary floor, so McCollum's "good rookie deal" isn't nearly as helpful for the Blazers as it would be to a team with a higher payroll.

Actually, CJ would be a better combination for Lillard because they lack scoring at other positions outside of their backcourt. CJ is averaging 20 + and shooting 40% from 3 on high volume. It's not defense for offense trade that's 1:1. Also CJ isn't a terrible defender.

Your value system for how you evaluate players has always been ****non-conventional**** but you enjoy that, so I suggest you suggest a Bradley for CJ trade straight up on the blazers board.

"Good rookie deals" are always better for any team that is in the lottery and not winning anything anytime soon.

[skywalker33]

Actually, Bradley would be better to cover up some of Lillard's defensive deficiencies. The Celtics are trading defense for offense here.

Portland is also way below the 90% salary floor, so McCollum's "good rookie deal" isn't nearly as helpful for the Blazers as it would be to a team with a higher payroll.

Perhaps, but McCollum is scoring at 21ppg while Bradley is about at his peak at 15ppg. Bradley's defense is superior, but his game is what it is with little room for improvement while McCollum has that higher ceiling showing with more playing time. No way POR trades him straight up for Bradley IMO.

[Curmudgeon]

Who knows what Portland will do? IMHO Stotts deserves serious COY consideration for winning as many games as he has with that roster.

[Ben-N1ce]

There is no way they get CJ for Bradley. The 6 game stretch Lilliard was out CJ put up 26/6.5/6.5 quite frankly I think it's damn near impossible for Bradley to average that for any stretch in his entire career since he can't get his own and him even getting 6 assists in any game is something he has pulled off probably less than 5 times in his whole career nevermind for a week or two.

[Stadium5]

Bradley isnt even in CJ's league and CJ is younger. They'd laugh at us

[165bows]

How about something like this for Orl/Tor:

Ross/picks/rookie contract guys to Orlando for Fournier/Frye

Orlando clears out its wing log jam and Toronto fills SF for this year, then PF next year by moving Carroll to PF.

[BleedGreen1989]

How about something like this for Orl/Tor:

Ross/picks/rookie contract guys to Orlando for Fournier/Frye

Orlando clears out its wing log jam and Toronto fills SF for this year, then PF next year by moving Carroll to PF.

"Picks" better be very good from TOR.

Evan Fournier is considerably better and more versatile.

[165bows]

How about something like this for Orl/Tor:

Ross/picks/rookie contract guys to Orlando for Fournier/Frye

Orlando clears out its wing log jam and Toronto fills SF for this year, then PF next year by moving Carroll to PF.

"Picks" better be very good from TOR.

Evan Fournier is considerably better and more versatile.

They should have a late lotto pick from NY plus another extra. Maybe swap Fournier for Gordon even. Just seems like some fit is there.

[Curmudgeon]

Bradley isnt even in CJ's league and CJ is younger. They'd laugh at us

When McCollum gets named to the NBA all star team or the all defensive team, send me a memo.

[DavorFanCroatia]

I don't believe Suns would do that but:
To PHO: Sullinger, Jerebko, Lee, BOS 2016 1st, DAL 2016 1 st and 2-3 second's
To BOS: Morris, Chandler, Price (waived), PHO 2016 1st

We took a big salary in Chandler, their cancer in Morris and for the trouble we get another top 5 pick. With little lotto luck we could get first and second picks in draft and add Simmons and Ingram and have a:
Smart / Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Ingram
Simmons / Morris / Johnson / Mickey
Chandler / Olynyk / Zeller

[truth18]

Yo, we are well past 100 pages just FYI (not at home I can't make a new one)

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't believe Suns would do that but:
To PHO: Sullinger, Jerebko, Lee, BOS 2016 1st, DAL 2016 1 st and 2-3 second's
To BOS: Morris, Chandler, Price (waived), PHO 2016 1st

We took a big salary in Chandler, their cancer in Morris and for the trouble we get another top 5 pick. With little lotto luck we could get first and second picks in draft and add Simmons and Ingram and have a:
Smart / Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Ingram
Simmons / Morris / Johnson / Mickey
Chandler / Olynyk / Zeller

What exactly is Phoenix getting for its unprotected first????

[skywalker33]

I don't believe Suns would do that but:
To PHO: Sullinger, Jerebko, Lee, BOS 2016 1st, DAL 2016 1 st and 2-3 second's
To BOS: Morris, Chandler, Price (waived), PHO 2016 1st

We took a big salary in Chandler, their cancer in Morris and for the trouble we get another top 5 pick. With little lotto luck we could get first and second picks in draft and add Simmons and Ingram and have a:
Smart / Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Ingram
Simmons / Morris / Johnson / Mickey
Chandler / Olynyk / Zeller

PHX 2016 pick is very likely to be top 5-7, they aren't trading that pick for that......