Official 2022 Draft Thread 3 (June 23)

[billy_hoyle]

I agree. He checks a lot of boxes when evaluating an international prospect and seeing if their game can transition to the NBA. He's one of the better athletes and he can shoot. Is there enough of the body of work to be confident to select him? That's the question.

Sounds like Mykhailiuk

Except Procida actually hits shots and defends

In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

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I agree. He checks a lot of boxes when evaluating an international prospect and seeing if their game can transition to the NBA. He's one of the better athletes and he can shoot. Is there enough of the body of work to be confident to select him? That's the question.

Sounds like Mykhailiuk

Except Procida actually hits shots and defends

Mykhailiuk shot a career 40.9% from three at Kansas and a blistering 44.4% as a senior in college, he was leading the nation for much of the season.

As for defense, that would be a bigger question for Procida to translate into the NBA, which is much quicker.

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Sounds like Mykhailiuk

Except Procida actually hits shots and defends

In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

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[billy_hoyle]

Except Procida actually hits shots and defends

In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

I don't disagree.

I will say that I think Svi is a pretty physical defender (being Ukranian). Procida is Italian... We've seen those guys in the league before... Gallo, Belinelli and ....Bargs. Soft is my expectation, I'd need to see evidence of the opposite before changing my, admittedly, preconceived notions.

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Except Procida actually hits shots and defends

In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

I don't think they're comparable. Svi is a deceptive athlete, but physically weak. Even well into his NBA career. Procida is jacked at whatever age he is (19?). I think Procida is closer to Connaughton. Energy wing, 3&D type.

[ATLTimekeeper]

In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

I don't disagree.

I will say that I think Svi is a pretty physical defender (being Ukranian). Procida is Italian... We've seen those guys in the league before... Gallo, Belinelli and ....Bargs. Soft is my expectation, I'd need to see evidence of the opposite before changing my, admittedly, preconceived notions.

Gallo is soft? Svi is a physical defender? This is embarrassing.

[billy_hoyle]

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

I don't disagree.

I will say that I think Svi is a pretty physical defender (being Ukranian). Procida is Italian... We've seen those guys in the league before... Gallo, Belinelli and ....Bargs. Soft is my expectation, I'd need to see evidence of the opposite before changing my, admittedly, preconceived notions.

Gallo is soft? Svi is a physical defender? This is embarrassing.

I think Svi is pretty physical, he's a shooting guard that plays kinda rough IMO.

I don't find Gallo to be mentally soft, he's a pretty fiery guy, but I don't find him particularly physical for a 3/4.

Bargs is soft all over.

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tough to gauge these international guys but I like Procida for his upside

This is the thing about Procida that I noticed about scouts. They all say the same thing - he's explosive / athletic, great shooter for a few years (set, C&S, off dribble it doesn't matter), he's tall for a SG, great standing reach, swagger, great percentages (50,40,80) and shows defensive potential. No big weaknesses in his game. If you describe a college athlete like that he's a lottery pick. Scouts though have him late second round or even undrafted. Now some scouts that don't care about him being international and just look at his game are saying he's a first round pick because of what I listed above. So, I have no clue where he's going to go. He might go late lotto if a team really sees his worth or he might go undrafted. He's an ideal fit for us but since nobody knows where he might go I don't even consider him at our pick anymore. I would rather focus on guys I am pretty confident will around our pick.

At this point, though, I have a hard time believing that every team will pass him up before the 33rd pick. I definitely can't see him going undrafted. The people who make those mock drafts don't spend as much time scouting international prospects (aside from Barlowe and a couple of others) so as you point out, they don't really know how to compare him to American players. NBA teams' scouting departments won't have that same gap in knowledge.

I would still love to see him on the Raps because I think he's got a chance to be very good, but right now my guess is he goes in the 20s somewhere.

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I don't disagree.

I will say that I think Svi is a pretty physical defender (being Ukranian). Procida is Italian... We've seen those guys in the league before... Gallo, Belinelli and ....Bargs. Soft is my expectation, I'd need to see evidence of the opposite before changing my, admittedly, preconceived notions.

Gallo is soft? Svi is a physical defender? This is embarrassing.

I think Svi is pretty physical, he's a shooting guard that plays kinda rough IMO.

I don't find Gallo to be mentally soft, he's a pretty fiery guy, but I don't find him particularly physical for a 3/4.

Bargs is soft all over.

Gallo's extremely physical. He routinely hunts bodies to draw fouls on offense. He's just laterally slow on defense. Belli won a title playing for Popovich. I think he passes.

You get Bargnani. Ukraine produced Oleksiy Pecherov.

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I could see Christie dropping to 33

Of all of the "guy who had a disappointing freshman year after being a hyped high school player" types (including players like Caleb Houstan, Peyton Watson, Patrick Baldwin, etc.) Christie is the guy I would be most happy with if we end up drafting him. His defensive ability will absolutely translate to the NBA, he has decent court vision, and his shooting form and touch look too good for his percentages not to improve.

And unlike a guy like Houstan, who is almost exclusively a C&S guy right now, Christie can get his shot off in a few different ways. He's definitely in my group of 5 or 6 wing prospects that I'd be happy to see the Raptors draft.

[billy_hoyle]

Gallo is soft? Svi is a physical defender? This is embarrassing.

I think Svi is pretty physical, he's a shooting guard that plays kinda rough IMO.

I don't find Gallo to be mentally soft, he's a pretty fiery guy, but I don't find him particularly physical for a 3/4.

Bargs is soft all over.

Gallo's extremely physical. He routinely hunts bodies to draw fouls on offense. He's just laterally slow on defense. Belli won a title playing for Popovich. I think he passes.

You get Bargnani. Ukraine produced Oleksiy Pecherov.

I do mean defensively. As you say, Gallo does seek contact offensively.

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notes and stuff that stands out to me

- pistons interested in colin sexton
- has dieng at #9 to spurs
- johnny davis "falling" to #14 cavs
- hawks looking to add lotto pick (using john collins or by moving up from #16); mocked eason to hawks at #16
- jovic to spurs #20
- 76ers exploring trades involving #23 and danny green

[Federalies]

Speaking of intriguing European prospects, what about Matteo Spagnolo?

He’s a 19 yr old PG/SG playing out of Italy. He’s 6’ 5.5” with a 6’ 8” wingspan. He shot just over 44% from 3 and 86% from the line while playing 27min per game against men. He seems to have a little spice and grit to his game and looks like a young JJ Redick who can pass. He seems to be consistently mocked at the back end of the Second Round so perhaps he goes undrafted? Thoughts?

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Same! Badji just has too many raw tools. This would be a Bruno type of pick with less risk.

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In the Italian league.

I think Mykhailiuk shot like +40% from three at Kansas. Got drafted second round.

Sometimes things don't translate to the NBA. That's the hard part.

Svi looked really good in pre-season, and shook in the regular season. That's the splits you'll see against NBA comp.

You actually don't know if Procida can shoot and defend at the NBA level.

All very fair points. You're right, Procida will have to prove it - as will every draftee.

I will say though that Procida has been playing in a decent professional league against men. Also, the NCAA 3pt line was still at the shorter distance when Svi was at KU.

Procida's length also gives him a better shot at capably defending.

I don't disagree.

I will say that I think Svi is a pretty physical defender (being Ukranian). Procida is Italian... We've seen those guys in the league before... Gallo, Belinelli and ....Bargs. Soft is my expectation, I'd need to see evidence of the opposite before changing my, admittedly, preconceived notions.

I also think I shouldn't compare between players, as they may have different career path, but if the Raptors development system isn't working for Mykhailiuk, I wonder if we should draft a similar prospect.

I think we have better track record developing Siakam, OG, Achiuwa, etc. and I wouldn't mind continue to double down on these.