If we let Lowry go...what's our gameplan?

Senbonzakura · Post #21 » by **Senbonzakura** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:09 am

Patty Mills would be a good replacement if we're still trying to compete. Very good defensively, knockdown shooter. We could give DeMar more playmaking responsibility and then look to add to the team in other ways.

username1 · Post #22 » by **username1** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:34 am

RaptorsNorth wrote:Go find the original tank commander linas kleiza and load up the tank.

Did someone say "Kleiza"?

Raps in 4 · Post #23 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:55 am

If Lowry leaves, we will have no choice but to rebuild.

There is no way we can make up his production through free agency (Lowry's production can only be replaced by another max contract player, which we don't have the money for, nor are we a FA destination) of trades (we have no elite prospects to dangle). We also don't have the talent internally to make up his production through player development.

Raps in 4 · Post #24 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:01 pm

dalton749 wrote:
hustleNgrind wrote:Jrue or patty mills would be a good replacement if we wanna stay competitive

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Was just going to say party mills. Mills/demar/Tucker/ibaka is a good fit. Fill in the rest with shooters

You think Patty Mills could replace Lowry's production? Seriously?

Lowry:
RPM: 12.6
VORP: 4.9

Mills:
RPM: 5.3
VORP: 1.5

You're losing at least 10 wins with that substitution.

It's shocking how little some of you understand basketball.

Raps in 4 · Post #25 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:05 pm

deeps6x wrote:I would definitely hand him a 40M/5yr contract. That is fair value for his playoff contributions as a Raptor. Anyone who thinks he is worth $40M PER YEAR is out to lunch. Has a screw loose. Is an opposing team's GM.

(I was going to write 'is an ECF GM', then realized that would include Masai,... then realized that this is sad, but likely true)

You think that $8 million/year is fair value for a top 10-15 player in the league? The only one out to lunch is you.

provecy15 · Post #26 » by **provecy15** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:06 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Senbonzakura wrote:Patty Mills would be a good replacement if we're still trying to compete. Very good defensively, knockdown shooter. We could give DeMar more playmaking responsibility and then look to add to the team in other ways.

You think Patty Mills could replace Lowry's production? Seriously?

Lowry:
RPM: 12.6
VORP: 4.9

Mills:
RPM: 5.3
VORP: 1.5

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

alienchild · Post #27 » by **alienchild** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:10 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
deeps6x wrote:I would definitely hand him a 40M/5yr contract. That is fair value for his playoff contributions as a Raptor. Anyone who thinks he is worth $40M PER YEAR is out to lunch. Has a screw loose. Is an opposing team's GM.

(I was going to write 'is an ECF GM', then realized that would include Masai,... then realized that this is sad, but likely true)

You think that $8 million/year is fair value for a top 10-15 player in the league? The only one out to lunch is you.

We actually have a whole wack who are out to lunch. We need a banquet hall.

Raps in 4 · Post #28 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:12 pm

provecy15 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Senbonzakura wrote:Patty Mills would be a good replacement if we're still trying to compete. Very good defensively, knockdown shooter. We could give DeMar more playmaking responsibility and then look to add to the team in other ways.

You think Patty Mills could replace Lowry's production? Seriously?

Lowry:
RPM: 12.6
VORP: 4.9

Mills:
RPM: 5.3
VORP: 1.5

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

MavCarter · Post #29 » by **MavCarter** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:13 pm

Tank properly for once

Meursault · Post #30 » by **Meursault** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:22 pm

blow it up
tank
draft Gary Trent Jr next offseason
watch the leafs

provecy15 · Post #31 » by **provecy15** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:26 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
You think Patty Mills could replace Lowry's production? Seriously?

Lowry:
RPM: 12.6
VORP: 4.9

Mills:
RPM: 5.3
VORP: 1.5

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

The Spurs have been kind by letting Parker start over Mills. He is clearly better than Parker, but hasn't been given the chance/mins to prove that he can be a starting PG. One thing is for sure, Lowry is going to demand a huge contract that we shouldn't give him due to age/injury history. When I look at the free agent crop for PGs, we are not getting Chris Paul. We could get Mills or Holiday, plus another starting wing. Maybe a Gallinari? I would look to trade Lowry to Philly for Stauskas and Covington/ more cap in return.

Mills/Cojo/Delon
Demar/Powell/ stauskas
Gallinari/Tucker/Bruno ( its time Bruno)
Ibaka/ Covington/Siakim
JV/Poertl

3s, length and still have youth,

Raps in 4 · Post #32 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:27 pm

provecy15 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

The Spurs have been kind by letting Parker start over Mills. He is clearly better than Parker, but hasn't been given the chance/mins to prove that he can be a starting PG. One thing is for sure, Lowry is going to demand a huge contract that we shouldn't give him due to age/injury history. When I look at the free agent crop for PGs, we are not getting Chris Paul. We could get Mills or Holiday, plus another starting wing. Maybe a Gallinari? I would look to trade Lowry to Philly for Stauskas and Covington/ more cap in return.

Mills/Cojo/Delon
Demar/Powell/ stauskas
Gallinari/Tucker/Bruno ( its time Bruno)
Ibaka/ Covington/Siakim
JV/Poertl

3s, length and still have youth,

Any replacement of Lowry with a worse player makes the team worse. You're no longer competing for anything meaningful at that point. You're fighting for the 6-8 seed every year. What's the point of that?

[SJJ] · Post #33 » by **[SJJ]** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:30 pm

You make sure to lose as many games as possible for the next 2-3 years and go through a proper rebuild. None of that half-ass re-tooling stuff.

___Rand___ · Post #34 » by **___Rand___** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:45 pm

hustleNgrind wrote:Jrue or patty mills would be a good replacement if we wanna stay competitive

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Mills shoots better from 3 and is a decent defender.

___Rand___ · Post #35 » by **___Rand___** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:48 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
You think Patty Mills could replace Lowry's production? Seriously?

Lowry:
RPM: 12.6
VORP: 4.9

Mills:
RPM: 5.3
VORP: 1.5

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

don't be so sure. we didn't do that bad without Lowry last season, and Cojo isn't that good a facilitator.

Raps in 4 · Post #36 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:49 pm

___Rand___ wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:

Mills wouldn't be that bad of a replacement. He was fantastic for the Spurs in 2014 when they won the title. I would be inclined to look at a Jrue holiday because of length and ability to shoot 3s. Yes he has been injury prone, but we may able to get him at a bargain while keeping cojo and Delon. Our goal is to build a team to beat Cleveland. Holiday or Mills would'nt be a bad replacement for Lowry. Remember, this team needs to retool...not a complete rebuild.

You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

don't be so sure. we didn't do that bad without Lowry last season, and Cojo isn't that good a facilitator.

Small sample size and easy schedule.

provecy15 · Post #37 » by **provecy15** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:51 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
___Rand___ wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

don't be so sure. we didn't do that bad without Lowry last season, and Cojo isn't that good a facilitator.

Small sample size and easy schedule.

5-10 games...maybe. 21 games? That's a quarter of the season. They clearly need more at the PG/SF, but COJO played well

wtcantfw · Post #38 » by **wtcantfw** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:53 pm

Go for that 9th seed.

Potential · Post #39 » by **Potential** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:54 pm

As crazy as it sounds, we need to practice. Practice makes perfect. Practice makes you better. We need our players to have intense practices. They need to focus and practice on their weaknesses. Get better. Fulfill your potential. Just take practice seriously.

Mikistan · Post #40 » by **Mikistan** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:55 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
___Rand___ wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
You're losing 10+ wins by replacing Lowry with Mills or Holliday. Lowry is one of the most productive players in the entire NBA.

Do you think that getting into the playoffs on 40-45 wins (which might not even be enough to get in some years), with a role player starting at PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

don't be so sure. we didn't do that bad without Lowry last season, and Cojo isn't that good a facilitator.

Small sample size and easy schedule.

Do you think getting into the playoffs of 48-52 wins (which might not even be enough to get a home seed in some years), with a often-injured and dud-playoff performer aging PG, that our chances of beating the Cavs actually improve?

If Lowry walks, what to do?