Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[kulaz3000]

[IrishBeatdown]

Question is different sure but quite a few thought he was a meh pick or didnt like him at all. Right after the draft a poll was made how you rate the draft and still 40% rated it C or worse. There was posters that started to like for him before the draft when they went a bit further with the knowledge of him. But still a lot who either hadnt watched him or just refused to see whats in front of them.

I said before the draft that "Dissing WCJ is deja vu from last years draft by this board" and thats exactly what it will be as people are now warming up for him and jumping in.

If you jump on the bandwagon prior to him even playing a summer league game, then I don't think you can really be called a bandwagon jumper. WCJ was probably 3rd on my board behind Ayton and JJJ. I am not a fan of Luka, Young, or Bamba, Bagley would have been about even to me.

P.S. Have you also noticed that you can alter your vote in polls afterwards .

I remember seeing the poll very quickly and the overwhelming majority still thought he was the right pick immediately. I think the consensus around him is probably higher than any Bulls pick since Derrick Rose.

Not going to lie, I was one of those people Doug was talking about. I was gutted that the magic got Bamba a slot ahead of us. I'm still very high on Mo, but WCJ looks like he might be the second straight steal at #7 for the bulls. WCJ playing so well is the only thing that is keeping me from heading down to the berto with my torch and pitchfork (i know the berto isnt around anymore, strictly for imagery, im old). I can't believe how long and rangy WCJ is on defense, I think it was lost a bit with everyone drooling over Bamba's measurements at the combine. Wendell is bringing more rookie hype than anyone I can remember before Rose, his summer league performances have been electric.

He seems to be a better ballhandler than Lauri, can't wait to see if we can run some offense through him from the elbow.

[HomoSapien]

Let's please stop derailing the thread with Jordan Bell talk. We've discussed this extensively. The majority of posters weren't happy with the trade and saw his potential. If you want to talk about Bell, talk about him in the Summer League or Around the NBA Thread. This thread is about Wendell Carter. Let's move on.

[Habs72]

Question is different sure but quite a few thought he was a meh pick or didnt like him at all. Right after the draft a poll was made how you rate the draft and still 40% rated it C or worse. There was posters that started to like for him before the draft when they went a bit further with the knowledge of him. But still a lot who either hadnt watched him or just refused to see whats in front of them.

I said before the draft that "Dissing WCJ is deja vu from last years draft by this board" and thats exactly what it will be as people are now warming up for him and jumping in.

If you jump on the bandwagon prior to him even playing a summer league game, then I don't think you can really be called a bandwagon jumper. WCJ was probably 3rd on my board behind Ayton and JJJ. I am not a fan of Luka, Young, or Bamba, Bagley would have been about even to me.

P.S. Have you also noticed that you can alter your vote in polls afterwards .

I remember seeing the poll very quickly and the overwhelming majority still thought he was the right pick immediately. I think the consensus around him is probably higher than any Bulls pick since Derrick Rose.

Not going to lie, I was one of those people Doug was talking about. I was gutted that the magic got Bamba a slot ahead of us. I'm still very high on Mo, but WCJ looks like he might be the second straight steal at #7 for the bulls. WCJ playing so well is the only thing that is keeping me from heading down to the berto with my torch and pitchfork (i know the berto isnt around anymore, strictly for imagery, im old). I can't believe how long and rangy WCJ is on defense, I think it was lost a bit with everyone drooling over Bamba's measurements at the combine. Wendell is bringing more rookie hype than anyone I can remember before Rose, his summer league performances have been electric.

He seems to be a better ballhandler than Lauri, can't wait to see if we can run some offense through him from the elbow.

Yes Mamba might very well be top notch player as he has those freakish measurements while having a very high IQ, just like WCJ except WCJ dont have those measurements and WCJ is quite polished in the offensive zone as 19 year old.

Not so sure about that WCJ is a better handler than Lauri yet but both play IQ steady game while WCJ has little sampling of him.

[Red Larrivee]

I think the general disapproval of a few boiled down to:

1. The failed tanking operation.
2. The Bulls were unable to move up.
3. Carter was perceived by some as a "safe" Bulls choice.

Things could've been a lot worse though.

[IrishBeatdown]

If you jump on the bandwagon prior to him even playing a summer league game, then I don't think you can really be called a bandwagon jumper. WCJ was probably 3rd on my board behind Ayton and JJJ. I am not a fan of Luka, Young, or Bamba, Bagley would have been about even to me.





I remember seeing the poll very quickly and the overwhelming majority still thought he was the right pick immediately. I think the consensus around him is probably higher than any Bulls pick since Derrick Rose.

Not going to lie, I was one of those people Doug was talking about. I was gutted that the magic got Bamba a slot ahead of us. I'm still very high on Mo, but WCJ looks like he might be the second straight steal at #7 for the bulls. WCJ playing so well is the only thing that is keeping me from heading down to the berto with my torch and pitchfork (i know the berto isnt around anymore, strictly for imagery, im old). I can't believe how long and rangy WCJ is on defense, I think it was lost a bit with everyone drooling over Bamba's measurements at the combine. Wendell is bringing more rookie hype than anyone I can remember before Rose, his summer league performances have been electric.

He seems to be a better ballhandler than Lauri, can't wait to see if we can run some offense through him from the elbow.

Yes Mamba might very well be top notch player as he has those freakish measurements while having a very high IQ, just like WCJ except WCJ dont have those measurements and WCJ is quite polished in the offensive zone as 19 year old.

Not so sure about that WCJ is a better handler than Lauri yet but both play IQ steady game while WCJ has little sampling of him.

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

[Habs72]

Not going to lie, I was one of those people Doug was talking about. I was gutted that the magic got Bamba a slot ahead of us. I'm still very high on Mo, but WCJ looks like he might be the second straight steal at #7 for the bulls. WCJ playing so well is the only thing that is keeping me from heading down to the berto with my torch and pitchfork (i know the berto isnt around anymore, strictly for imagery, im old). I can't believe how long and rangy WCJ is on defense, I think it was lost a bit with everyone drooling over Bamba's measurements at the combine. Wendell is bringing more rookie hype than anyone I can remember before Rose, his summer league performances have been electric.

He seems to be a better ballhandler than Lauri, can't wait to see if we can run some offense through him from the elbow.

Yes Mamba might very well be top notch player as he has those freakish measurements while having a very high IQ, just like WCJ except WCJ dont have those measurements and WCJ is quite polished in the offensive zone as 19 year old.

Not so sure about that WCJ is a better handler than Lauri yet but both play IQ steady game while WCJ has little sampling of him.

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

Bamba has most definitely a high BBIQ which is well documented. Its just that he is still so raw with his body. IQ and measurements are alrdy there but what will develop out of them is still a question.

[IrishBeatdown]

Yes Mamba might very well be top notch player as he has those freakish measurements while having a very high IQ, just like WCJ except WCJ dont have those measurements and WCJ is quite polished in the offensive zone as 19 year old.

Not so sure about that WCJ is a better handler than Lauri yet but both play IQ steady game while WCJ has little sampling of him.

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

Bamba has most definitely a high BBIQ which is well documented. Its just that he is still so raw with his body. IQ and measurements are alrdy there but what will develop out of them is still a question.

I'd disagree based on the eye test, I don't doubt the hype people have created, but Bamba is most definitely lost on both sides of the floor right now in summer league. Then again, he hasn't received much coaching. I don't get what is so great about his BBIQ tbh, he doesn't even understand how to rotate with Issac.

TBH he and Issac don't even need instinct or IQ, they are going to throw some block parties this year regardless.

Bamba was #4 on my board, I'm very high on him, but I'm not seeing the high BBIQ you reference.

[Habs72]

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

Bamba has most definitely a high BBIQ which is well documented. Its just that he is still so raw with his body. IQ and measurements are alrdy there but what will develop out of them is still a question.

I'd disagree based on the eye test, I don't doubt the hype people have created, but Bamba is most definitely lost on both sides of the floor right now in summer league. Then again, he hasn't received much coaching. I don't get what is so great about his BBIQ tbh, he doesn't even understand how to rotate with Issac.

TBH he and Issac don't even need instinct or IQ, they are going to throw some block parties this year regardless.

Bamba was #4 on my board, I'm very high on him, but I'm not seeing the high BBIQ you reference.

I havent watched him in SL so cannot say anything on that(might do later on), being lost in SL wont necessarily mean much as the game there is a wild west people trying to do too much while not playin as a team. Might be a coaching issue too like you said and also in the SL.
The IQ is surely there even though its not passing your eye test. He has that both on and off court.

[erlim]

What are you talking about and what does a damn Jordan Bell have to do with this particular topic??

Jordan Bell is a defensive menace and looking like he is becoming a three ball specialist. It’s exactly what the Bulls were looking for in WCJ, but Bell is high flying and athletic to boot. Honestly, I can’t wait for them to match up. WCJ is looking tremendously composed, but Jordan Bell is a champion caliber player that has some profound bloodlust for the Bulls.

We didnt pass on Jordan Bell or then you could say that 29 teams passed on Bell as we never had him drafted, GSW bought the pick and said who to draft for them, get the narrative right alrdy, its been a year since lmao. Also mind you, the pick wasnt even ours originally, it was Clevelands. Three ball SPECIALIST?? Are you serious ? You saw one vid about him hitting three and now he is becoming a specialist, oook.

That one three was so smooth though.

[Habs72]

Jordan Bell is a defensive menace and looking like he is becoming a three ball specialist. It’s exactly what the Bulls were looking for in WCJ, but Bell is high flying and athletic to boot. Honestly, I can’t wait for them to match up. WCJ is looking tremendously composed, but Jordan Bell is a champion caliber player that has some profound bloodlust for the Bulls.

We didnt pass on Jordan Bell or then you could say that 29 teams passed on Bell as we never had him drafted, GSW bought the pick and said who to draft for them, get the narrative right alrdy, its been a year since lmao. Also mind you, the pick wasnt even ours originally, it was Clevelands. Three ball SPECIALIST?? Are you serious ? You saw one vid about him hitting three and now he is becoming a specialist, oook.

That one three was so smooth though.

Good comeback , true that but i bet i could get one in if i tried enough with good coaching but thats about it.

[23-7]

Yes Mamba might very well be top notch player as he has those freakish measurements while having a very high IQ, just like WCJ except WCJ dont have those measurements and WCJ is quite polished in the offensive zone as 19 year old.

Not so sure about that WCJ is a better handler than Lauri yet but both play IQ steady game while WCJ has little sampling of him.

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

Bamba has most definitely a high BBIQ which is well documented. Its just that he is still so raw with his body. IQ and measurements are alrdy there but what will develop out of them is still a question.

There's a difference in BBall IQ and real life IQ. We know he has the latter. But can he process information quickly on the BBall court?

[Axolotl]

I didn’t notice that you can alter your vote after the fact. That’s creepy. But the board is high on this kid. When the poll started, I remember it initially being at 79 percent and steadily, slowly climbing up from that number.

I put the original poll up I think on the second day after the draft. It was then merged to this one. It was close to 80/20 when merged, don't remeber exactly, but could have been 79.

[Habs72]

Bamba doesn't seem to me to have a high basketball IQ, he's just so raw. He's such a good shot blocker, but finds himself out of position on switches often and struggles with physicality. His whole potential evolves around developing as a player both physically and stylistically. Ayton absolutely destroyed him last night, Bamba was always going to be a prospect that is going to take a few years to tap into his talent. Also, he seems completely lost on offense thus far.

I'm of the mind that Bamba figures it out and becomes an all star, but WCJ seems suited to contribute immediately. Maybe its just anecdotal evidenceor eye test, but WCJ seems like an NBA ready rookie like Elton was in 2000

I don't know how we don't start WCJ in game 1 of the regular season, he haven't had a competent rim protector since Joakim, unless the plan is to tank.

Bamba has most definitely a high BBIQ which is well documented. Its just that he is still so raw with his body. IQ and measurements are alrdy there but what will develop out of them is still a question.

There's a difference in BBall IQ and real life IQ. We know he has the latter. But can he process information quickly on the BBall court?

I think so as so does the scouts. Thing is that IQ can help you only so far if youre not familiar with your body yet and i would say Mamba isnt. His motor has been questioned but that could also be a raw body issue. Time will tell.

[23-7]

Where's the scouting report that says High basketball IQ. I always see and hear about his outside basketball IQ

[Lauri_Legend]

We might have failed at tanking, but we should be thanking Bagley for reclassifying because WCJ would've been a Top 3 pick in this draft if Bagley didn't go to Duke. We got a Top 3 or Top 5 talent in a deep draft. Sure, we landed at #7, but that might be a blessing in disguise.

[Habs72]

Where's the scouting report that says High basketball IQ. I always see and hear about his outside basketball IQ

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/
https://www.thestepien.com/mohamed-bamba/

Did you even tried?

[erlim]

I hope somebody is saving clips to make a block highlight reel

[BR0D1E86]

Toning out his body certainly looks like it has helped him.

Now he just needs to continue working on his footwork, and he should continue to improve.

What toning? Where is this narrative coming from, give a link where is said that he has lost weight as i havent seen anywhere said so except in this board by some.

He looks exactly like he did in college.

I think he made some comment about the freshman 15 or something. I don't think it was a massive change though.

[pylb]

Only two blocks today. Clearly his defense is trash.