THE Off-Season Thread 2022-23

[LightTheBeam]

I've got the current roster as

Sabonis/Holmes/Len
Murray/Lyles/Metu
Barnes/Harkless
Holiday/Monk/Davis
Fox/Mitchell

2Way - Ellis, Queta?

It sounds like we are planning to bring Sasha over.

So 1 spot left.

If we don't make any trades, my way too early prediction is 35-38 wins and a generally disappointing off-season. I'm a broken record at this point. MONTE do something!

[City of Trees]

Isaiah Hartenstein 2 yrs/$16M to the Knicks is a great signing for them. I wish the Kings could have got him he's the perfect third big to have behind Sabonis/Murray. Cheaper than Holmes too.

[codydaze]

Anyone think Ben Simmons to Sac is still alive? Miami can't send Bam to Brooklyn in a KD deal as long as Ben Simmons is there so if KD wants to go to Miami and Bam is on the table then Brooklyn would need to move Simmons.

[OxAndFox]

I've got the current roster as

Sabonis/Holmes/Len
Murray/Lyles/Metu
Barnes/Harkless
Holiday/Monk/Davis
Fox/Mitchell

2Way - Ellis, Queta?

It sounds like we are planning to bring Sasha over.

So 1 spot left.

If we don't make any trades, my way too early prediction is 35-38 wins and a generally disappointing off-season. I'm a broken record at this point. MONTE do something!

Queta has been signed to two-way I'm pretty sure.

I'm not that confident we are getting that piece we REALLY need as I think Holmes has a bare market and Barnes is expiring. Ideally, it would be these two and a 1st to get an upgrade at the 3.
Having said that, I am bullish on these Kings. I have a huge amount of faith in this squad. Here is why.

Fox - Was PI$&ED at the start of the season and mailed it in until Buddy/Bagley were gone. Put one of his best friends on the team, a big that he can play off, and BOOM. Will make the AS team this season with averages of 28-5-6 shooting a career high 38% from 3 by the end of January.

Davis - Thought he showed real strides and the ability to defend multiple positions last season. Get an injury-free run from him and look out. Have a look at Davis' stats, he needs to play, and he needs to play often. The more minutes the better he is and the less rest the better he is.

Sabonis - Working out with Fox/Davion. If the offense is run primarily through him the Kings will have a top 12 offense in the NBA.

Davion - Expect the rookie calls to die right down. Not only because of experience but because you have Mike Brown at the helm and his rep alone will allow the Kings to be more aggressive. If he gets enough minutes, and he will, expect his name to be bandied around for all-defensive teams.

Holiday - Has had time to get his family over from the East Coast (not sure if he has though?) and will be far more comfortable if he is still with the squad.

Murray - I mean we are upgrading from Mo/Metu/Lyles. Nuff said. Will space the floor and be a switchable defender. This upgrade can't be overlooked.

Holmes - He will have to adjust and I'm hoping we see some high/low action between him and Sabonis along with TD/Monk/Barnes in the line-up. Won't hurt having his tenacity off the bench.

Barnes - Is probably the one that will drop from his 2021-22 performance. It won't matter though and the more important things are hit the open 3 and keep his man in front of him. That's it.

Harkless - Hope he got some new pom poms. Expiring.

Len - Ditto. Expiring

Lyles - Ditto. Expiring

Metu - Ditto. Expiring

Buddy - NOT HERE +2 wins
Bagley - NOT HERE +2 wins
Walton - NOT HERE +2 wins
Gentry - NOT HERE +2 wins

So by my tongue-in-cheek calculations, that's 8 wins right there. Add 2 more for Fox and 2 more for Sabonis, 1 for Murray, 1 for Monk, and 2 more for actually having a defensive system (*yet to be seen), and the Kings are scheduled for 46 wins. Could even put a couple more in there because I don't expect the starting line-up to be a raffle this coming season so stability counts for something. At a minimum will come out with 7th seed, and then you watch them lose the play in haha.
Obviously, some of this is mainly joking around, but there is some truth to it too.

[City of Trees]

Anyone think Ben Simmons to Sac is still alive?

I hope not. Matching Salary and value means again you're probably looking at Fox for Ben swap. I'm not interested in rolling the dice on Ben Simmons.

[City of Trees]

Has anyone softened their stance on trading for Tobias Harris/ Thybulle?

[codydaze]

Anyone think Ben Simmons to Sac is still alive?

I hope not. Matching Salary and value means again you're probably looking at Fox for Ben swap. I'm not interested in rolling the dice on Ben Simmons.

If getting Bam is the goal for Brooklyn then a Fox swap wouldn't work since they both fall under that rookie designated max. Barnes/Holmes/Holiday would work salary wise, you'd be looking at a lineup of Fox-Monk-Simmons-Murray-Sabonis.

Not sure how much additional value Brooklyn would want with that package though. If they were able to come out with Herro-Barnes-Bam plus a bunch of firsts for Simmons/KD that wouldn't be terrible, they'd still likely be a playoff team.

[LightTheBeam]

GPII to Portland. Good defensive signing for them. I'm guessing resigning Nurkic is next for them?

Nurkic
Grant/Little
Sharpe/Hart/Winslow/louzada
Simons/GPII/Keon Johnson
LIllard/Simons

I'm curious if a Holmes for Hart deal makes sense for both teams? Maybe with sac including Harkless? This team has a solid amount of wing depth, Nurkic Is always injured. Maybe they just sign someone like Dwight Howard, but I think Holmes would be great nurkic insurance


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[OxAndFox]

Has anyone softened their stance on trading for Tobias Harris/ Thybulle?

I thought about this the other day. IMO there are two huge problems. Tobias isn't a 3 anymore so he has to be the starting 4. That means if you don't believe Murray can start at the 3, Thybulle is your starting SF. I don't think a starting line-up with two poor shooters as Thybulle/Sabonis works.

Having said that, if you do believe Murray can start at the 3, the ONLY way I do this is if Philly comes calling to save them the money on Harris' contract and that's it.

Barnes/Holmes/Lyles for Harris/Thybulle
They have to figure out what to do with Holmes, not the Kings.

The line-up would be (I do love this perimeter D off the bench!):
Fox/Davion
Monk/Davis/Holiday
Murray/Thybulle
Harris
Sabonis

[OxAndFox]

GPII to Portland. Good defensive signing for them. I'm guessing resigning Nurkic is next for them?

Nurkic
Grant/Little
Sharpe/Hart/Winslow/louzada
Simons/GPII/Keon Johnson
LIllard/Simons

I'm curious if a Holmes for Hart deal makes sense for both teams? Maybe with sac including Harkless? This team has a solid amount of wing depth, Nurkic Is always injured. Maybe they just sign someone like Dwight Howard, but I think Holmes would be great nurkic insurance


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That's a really good signing for the Blazers. Yes, Nurkic is up next, but I doubt they will want Holmes. Not unless Nurkic does indeed give the Blazers a Dame Discount.

[LightTheBeam]

GPII to Portland. Good defensive signing for them. I'm guessing resigning Nurkic is next for them?

Nurkic
Grant/Little
Sharpe/Hart/Winslow/louzada
Simons/GPII/Keon Johnson
LIllard/Simons

I'm curious if a Holmes for Hart deal makes sense for both teams? Maybe with sac including Harkless? This team has a solid amount of wing depth, Nurkic Is always injured. Maybe they just sign someone like Dwight Howard, but I think Holmes would be great nurkic insurance


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That's a really good signing for the Blazers. Yes, Nurkic is up next, but I doubt they will want Holmes. Not unless Nurkic does indeed give the Blazers a Dame Discount.

Ya I mean they could sign a Dieng, Howard, Whiteside.. but considering Nurkics injury history I think it would be foolish to plan on one of those guys to start 25+ games next season.

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[OxAndFox]

GPII to Portland. Good defensive signing for them. I'm guessing resigning Nurkic is next for them?

Nurkic
Grant/Little
Sharpe/Hart/Winslow/louzada
Simons/GPII/Keon Johnson
LIllard/Simons

I'm curious if a Holmes for Hart deal makes sense for both teams? Maybe with sac including Harkless? This team has a solid amount of wing depth, Nurkic Is always injured. Maybe they just sign someone like Dwight Howard, but I think Holmes would be great nurkic insurance


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That's a really good signing for the Blazers. Yes, Nurkic is up next, but I doubt they will want Holmes. Not unless Nurkic does indeed give the Blazers a Dame Discount.

Ya I mean they could sign a Dieng, Howard, Whiteside.. but considering Nurkics injury history I think it would be foolish to plan on one of those guys to start 25+ games next season.

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That is true. And he doesn't play the most minutes a starting 5 typically does.
I can't see them doing Hart. You're looking at Winslow, but they don't even have the money to make up the difference, which means the Kings are putting in pick(s).

[blind prophet]

If anyone wanted to make a California Classic thread, looks like all the games will be televised.



https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2022/california/schedule

[LightTheBeam]

As it stands I have SA, OKC, Houston as the bottom 3 in the west. So Kings need some stuff to go right to finish above others.

I think Portland is getting overrated. They swapped CJ, Covington, Powell, Nance for GPII, Sharpe, Grant, Hart. That is a downgrade. They still have no depth at the center spot. Lillard is only a year older. I'm predicting they blow it up by the deadline.

But some good things can happen. Still waiting to see if the Jazz blow it up, Timberwolves are weird to me as they could take a leap forward or backwards and I wouldn't be surprised either way. Lakers are still built around old injured guys so an injury to LBJ/AD could push them down the list.

I think Sac has a path to making the play-in. But needs a little bit of luck.

[Adg1987]

As it stands I have SA, OKC, Houston as the bottom 3 in the west. So Kings need some stuff to go right to finish above others.

I think Portland is getting overrated. They swapped CJ, Covington, Powell, Nance for GPII, Sharpe, Grant, Hart. That is a downgrade. They still have no depth at the center spot. Lillard is only a year older. I'm predicting they blow it up by the deadline.

But some good things can happen. Still waiting to see if the Jazz blow it up, Timberwolves are weird to me as they could take a leap forward or backwards and I wouldn't be surprised either way. Lakers are still built around old injured guys so an injury to LBJ/AD could push them down the list.

I think Sac has a path to making the play-in. But needs a little bit of luck.

I am still hoping we make at least one move. I think we need to move Harrison Barnes. maybe i am only saying this because i want John Collins

I think Murray needs to a SF. I know a lot of people projecting him a small ball 4, but a majority of his minutes need to be at the 3. Barnes and him will be interchangable at positions so it might work.

Only way the Kings win games this year is if they get their chemistry offensively right, the defense is going to be tough with what is projected as our starting lineup

[LightTheBeam]

As it stands I have SA, OKC, Houston as the bottom 3 in the west. So Kings need some stuff to go right to finish above others.

I think Portland is getting overrated. They swapped CJ, Covington, Powell, Nance for GPII, Sharpe, Grant, Hart. That is a downgrade. They still have no depth at the center spot. Lillard is only a year older. I'm predicting they blow it up by the deadline.

But some good things can happen. Still waiting to see if the Jazz blow it up, Timberwolves are weird to me as they could take a leap forward or backwards and I wouldn't be surprised either way. Lakers are still built around old injured guys so an injury to LBJ/AD could push them down the list.

I think Sac has a path to making the play-in. But needs a little bit of luck.

I am still hoping we make at least one move. I think we need to move Harrison Barnes. maybe i am only saying this because i want John Collins

I think Murray needs to a SF. I know a lot of people projecting him a small ball 4, but a majority of his minutes need to be at the 3. Barnes and him will be interchangable at positions so it might work.

Only way the Kings win games this year is if they get their chemistry offensively right, the defense is going to be tough with what is projected as our starting lineup

I guess I see Murray as a decent sized 4, and a small ball center. Id like to limit his minutes at the 3. We will see more in an NBA format but from what I saw his best position is going to be at PF.

FWIW Murray and Collins measured nearly the same at the combine. Same wingspan, I think Collins was like .5 inches taller.

[Adg1987]

As it stands I have SA, OKC, Houston as the bottom 3 in the west. So Kings need some stuff to go right to finish above others.

I think Portland is getting overrated. They swapped CJ, Covington, Powell, Nance for GPII, Sharpe, Grant, Hart. That is a downgrade. They still have no depth at the center spot. Lillard is only a year older. I'm predicting they blow it up by the deadline.

But some good things can happen. Still waiting to see if the Jazz blow it up, Timberwolves are weird to me as they could take a leap forward or backwards and I wouldn't be surprised either way. Lakers are still built around old injured guys so an injury to LBJ/AD could push them down the list.

I think Sac has a path to making the play-in. But needs a little bit of luck.

I am still hoping we make at least one move. I think we need to move Harrison Barnes. maybe i am only saying this because i want John Collins

I think Murray needs to a SF. I know a lot of people projecting him a small ball 4, but a majority of his minutes need to be at the 3. Barnes and him will be interchangable at positions so it might work.

Only way the Kings win games this year is if they get their chemistry offensively right, the defense is going to be tough with what is projected as our starting lineup

I guess I see Murray as a decent sized 4, and a small ball center. Id like to limit his minutes at the 3. We will see more in an NBA format but from what I saw his best position is going to be at PF.

FWIW Murray and Collins measured nearly the same at the combine. Same wingspan, I think Collins was like .5 inches taller.

personally I will be disappointed if we draft in to be a power forward. We have not had a good wing players in years and we needed SF more than anything else.

[LightTheBeam]

I am still hoping we make at least one move. I think we need to move Harrison Barnes. maybe i am only saying this because i want John Collins

I think Murray needs to a SF. I know a lot of people projecting him a small ball 4, but a majority of his minutes need to be at the 3. Barnes and him will be interchangable at positions so it might work.

Only way the Kings win games this year is if they get their chemistry offensively right, the defense is going to be tough with what is projected as our starting lineup

I guess I see Murray as a decent sized 4, and a small ball center. Id like to limit his minutes at the 3. We will see more in an NBA format but from what I saw his best position is going to be at PF.

FWIW Murray and Collins measured nearly the same at the combine. Same wingspan, I think Collins was like .5 inches taller.

personally I will be disappointed if we draft in to be a power forward. We have not had a good wing players in years and we needed SF more than anything else.

I understand that. But I think that's forcing a square peg into a round hole. We can't force him to play out of position because we need a SF. It's putting him in a spot to fail IMO.

And realistically just look at the WC playoff teams PF's from last year and where he matches up best.

PHX - Crowder
Memphis - Clarke, Anderson (Some Jackson, but it was mostly these guys with JJJ moving up to the 5)
Warriors - Draymond, Wiggins
Mavs - DFS
Jazz - Bojan
Nuggets - Aaron Gordon
Wolves - Vanderbilt, Prince
Pelicans - Murphy, Ingram, Herb Jones (they started Hayes and he played 13mpg)

Teams on the cusp

LAC - Batum, Covington
LAL - Lebron

I mean sure, we can try the Cleveland route of playing 3 big men. But I don't see that as a long term direction for success. Every playoff team in the west pretty much decided to play smaller during the playoffs. So I wouldn't mind Murray playing some minutes at the 3 during the regular season, but when/if you get to the playoffs, hes basically going to strictly be a 4. Then you are basically shifting between a big rotation of Collins/Sabonis/Murray with no real 3 on the team (Barnes).

[Adg1987]

I guess I see Murray as a decent sized 4, and a small ball center. Id like to limit his minutes at the 3. We will see more in an NBA format but from what I saw his best position is going to be at PF.

FWIW Murray and Collins measured nearly the same at the combine. Same wingspan, I think Collins was like .5 inches taller.

personally I will be disappointed if we draft in to be a power forward. We have not had a good wing players in years and we needed SF more than anything else.

I understand that. But I think that's forcing a square peg into a round hole. We can't force him to play out of position because we need a SF. It's putting him in a spot to fail IMO.

And realistically just look at the WC playoff teams PF's from last year and where he matches up best.

PHX - Crowder
Memphis - Clarke, Anderson (Some Jackson, but it was mostly these guys with JJJ moving up to the 5)
Warriors - Draymond, Wiggins
Mavs - DFS
Jazz - Bojan
Nuggets - Aaron Gordon
Wolves - Vanderbilt, Prince
Pelicans - Murphy, Ingram, Herb Jones (they started Hayes and he played 13mpg)

Teams on the cusp

LAC - Batum, Covington
LAL - Lebron

I mean sure, we can try the Cleveland route of playing 3 big men. But I don't see that as a long term direction for success. Every playoff team in the west pretty much decided to play smaller during the playoffs. So I wouldn't mind Murray playing some minutes at the 3 during the regular season, but when/if you get to the playoffs, hes basically going to strictly be a 4. Then you are basically shifting between a big rotation of Collins/Sabonis/Murray with no real 3 on the team (Barnes).

I did not say play him out of position. You obviously need to play him where he has the best chance to succeed. I thought we draft him to be a swingman though. Interchanging on defense is normal, i can see him switching depending on matchup. He will see how they use him, I would much rather on the wing and guarding a swing player. I think getting some one a little better defensively at the 4 will help with having Sabinas as starting C

[LightTheBeam]

Well I'm thankful Utah just made this trade. I feel like this team is going to take a giant step back this season. That now gives me hope that the Kings can be better than Houston, SA, OKC, Utah, Portland. Play-in here we come baby!!