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Re: Mavs rotation ahead of FA 

Post#41 » by BeiBeau » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I think Kidd is smart enough to want another big... It's time to contend. Now.


Hartenstein improves us more then an extra wing does. And Kleber can play the 4 for 20 minutes a night in the playoffs which alleviates a lot of the pressure off Dorian, which then alleviates pressure off Bullock.

Hartenstein has the big body and strong frame that Powell and Wood do not.
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Post#42 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:18 pm

BeiBeau wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I think Kidd is smart enough to want another big... It's time to contend. Now.


Hartenstein improves us more then an extra wing does. And Kleber can play the 4 for 20 minutes a night in the playoffs which alleviates a lot of the pressure off Dorian, which then alleviates pressure off Bullock.

Hartenstein has the big body and strong frame that Powell and Wood do not.


Agree.
I don't know Hartenstein very well but all of you talked great about him. I have faith in you :wink:

Probably we need another wing too because Green is an enigma.
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Post#43 » by realEAST » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:57 am

With Brunson increasingly more likely to leave, I think big question for Mavericks is do they just insert Dinwiddie into the Brunson role, do they go back to Hardaway jr. as a starter or do they potentially insert Kleber and go with

Doncic...............Dinwiddie.......Ntilikina
Bullock..............Hardaway........Hardy
Finney Smith.......Green
Wood................Bertans
Kleber...............Powell

I think it depends on who Mavericks are going to be able to sign. I think they need additions at two out of these three positions, problem is they only have TPMLE to do it, so they have to hit on a minimum guy:

Guard (G. Harris, Dragic, Payton, Monk, Coffey, Oladipo, F. Jackson, L. Walker, Schroeder)
Wing / Forward (B. Brown, C. Boucher, O. Porter, J. Lamb, T. Young, McLemore, House)
Center (Hartenstein, J. Smith, Claxton / Whiteside, Drummond, Dieng...)
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Post#44 » by SOUNDCHASER » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:24 pm

realEAST wrote:With Brunson increasingly more likely to leave, I think big question for Mavericks is do they just insert Dinwiddie into the Brunson role, do they go back to Hardaway jr. as a starter or do they potentially insert Kleber and go with

Doncic...............Dinwiddie.......Ntilikina
Bullock..............Hardaway........Hardy
Finney Smith.......Green
Wood................Bertans
Kleber...............Powell

I think it depends on who Mavericks are going to be able to sign. I think they need additions at two out of these three positions, problem is they only have TPMLE to do it, so they have to hit on a minimum guy:

Guard (G. Harris, Dragic, Payton, Monk, Coffey, Oladipo, F. Jackson, L. Walker, Schroeder)
Wing / Forward (B. Brown, C. Boucher, O. Porter, J. Lamb, T. Young, McLemore, House)
Center (Hartenstein, J. Smith, Claxton / Whiteside, Drummond, Dieng...)

Move Bullock to SF and he can play there like he did in the PO's. Green is still a bit of a ? but I think he can make the jump to role player if he is given minutes and develops. A whole regular season doing that may be a good thing so when DFS is used at PF he can play some at SF.

I like the new kid Bingham and can see the mavs using him at center with his ability to hit 3's and get blocks as a 7' 2 way player. He showed he could do it in college against some of the best teams and he produced good numbers. He needs to bulk up more and become more muscular but he looks pretty stout if you ask me.

Hartenstein is a good veteran presence to add on with his age being younger. He can provide a bigger body to bang against the bigger centers in the league which exist in Utah NOP, Phil, Den, and the rookies that came with this draft that we missed out on who could be better than rookies usually are.

Kleeber can definitely play PF and probably help Wood and Bingham out when they face centers that are bigger. Powell can as well. Bertans not so much but he is instant offense off the bench with 3 pointers. Powell showed he can develop a 3 pointer if he focuses on that so I am ok with him at PF but not so much at the 5.

I think you keep Bullock with the wings and that gives you DFS and Bullock at the 3 with green when DFS has to play at the 4 some.

SG you need THJ back but now we have Hardy to develop as well. Good thing we got a steal with Hardy and he dropped so far in the draft we might really be hurt bad by Brunsons departure if that had happened. Hardy can play PG is what some of you are stating I have yet to ascertain that as being true but if you say so fine. Maybe Dinwiddie can play SG since he is 6'5" as well so we are 3 deep here and that is good because we all know that Luka is playing most of the minutes at PG.

Remaining minutes behind Luka at PG should be fine with a combination of guys like Dinwiddie, Frank, Hardy and if we sign Dragic. Unfortunately that means you keep Pinson on the 2 way instead of getting him up on the team to be a regular bench player.
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Post#45 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:37 pm

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realEAST wrote:With Brunson increasingly more likely to leave, I think big question for Mavericks is do they just insert Dinwiddie into the Brunson role, do they go back to Hardaway jr. as a starter or do they potentially insert Kleber and go with

Doncic...............Dinwiddie.......Ntilikina
Bullock..............Hardaway........Hardy
Finney Smith.......Green
Wood................Bertans
Kleber...............Powell

I think it depends on who Mavericks are going to be able to sign. I think they need additions at two out of these three positions, problem is they only have TPMLE to do it, so they have to hit on a minimum guy:

Guard (G. Harris, Dragic, Payton, Monk, Coffey, Oladipo, F. Jackson, L. Walker, Schroeder)
Wing / Forward (B. Brown, C. Boucher, O. Porter, J. Lamb, T. Young, McLemore, House)
Center (Hartenstein, J. Smith, Claxton / Whiteside, Drummond, Dieng...)

Move Bullock to SF and he can play there like he did in the PO's. Green is still a bit of a ? but I think he can make the jump to role player if he is given minutes and develops. A whole regular season doing that may be a good thing so when DFS is used at PF he can play some at SF.

I like the new kid Bingham and can see the mavs using him at center with his ability to hit 3's and get blocks as a 7' 2 way player. He showed he could do it in college against some of the best teams and he produced good numbers. He needs to bulk up more and become more muscular but he looks pretty stout if you ask me.

Hartenstein is a good veteran presence to add on with his age being younger. He can provide a bigger body to bang against the bigger centers in the league which exist in Utah NOP, Phil, Den, and the rookies that came with this draft that we missed out on who could be better than rookies usually are.

Kleeber can definitely play PF and probably help Wood and Bingham out when they face centers that are bigger. Powell can as well. Bertans not so much but he is instant offense off the bench with 3 pointers. Powell showed he can develop a 3 pointer if he focuses on that so I am ok with him at PF but not so much at the 5.

I think you keep Bullock with the wings and that gives you DFS and Bullock at the 3 with green when DFS has to play at the 4 some.

SG you need THJ back but now we have Hardy to develop as well. Good thing we got a steal with Hardy and he dropped so far in the draft we might really be hurt bad by Brunsons departure if that had happened. Hardy can play PG is what some of you are stating I have yet to ascertain that as being true but if you say so fine. Maybe Dinwiddie can play SG since he is 6'5" as well so we are 3 deep here and that is good because we all know that Luka is playing most of the minutes at PG.

Remaining minutes behind Luka at PG should be fine with a combination of guys like Dinwiddie, Frank, Hardy and if we sign Dragic. Unfortunately that means you keep Pinson on the 2 way instead of getting him up on the team to be a regular bench player.



Man, I sure have high hopes on Jaden Hardy. I understand the spacing on that Ignite team is non existent. So every game feels like a tryout for a job in which every man just goes out and gets the best stats for himself. But that shooting motion or stroke of his, and his release is really nice. With proper team spacing and with a full training camp with Dallas, I think the ceiling is pretty high for the kid
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Post#46 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:52 pm

I will put Green in the S5 at the start of RS and see what happens.

Early game of the season with no pressure.

Dinwiddie and THJ are good from the bench,Maxi too.
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Post#47 » by Apz » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:57 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:
realEAST wrote:With Brunson increasingly more likely to leave, I think big question for Mavericks is do they just insert Dinwiddie into the Brunson role, do they go back to Hardaway jr. as a starter or do they potentially insert Kleber and go with

Doncic...............Dinwiddie.......Ntilikina
Bullock..............Hardaway........Hardy
Finney Smith.......Green
Wood................Bertans
Kleber...............Powell

I think it depends on who Mavericks are going to be able to sign. I think they need additions at two out of these three positions, problem is they only have TPMLE to do it, so they have to hit on a minimum guy:

Guard (G. Harris, Dragic, Payton, Monk, Coffey, Oladipo, F. Jackson, L. Walker, Schroeder)
Wing / Forward (B. Brown, C. Boucher, O. Porter, J. Lamb, T. Young, McLemore, House)
Center (Hartenstein, J. Smith, Claxton / Whiteside, Drummond, Dieng...)

Move Bullock to SF and he can play there like he did in the PO's. Green is still a bit of a ? but I think he can make the jump to role player if he is given minutes and develops. A whole regular season doing that may be a good thing so when DFS is used at PF he can play some at SF.

I like the new kid Bingham and can see the mavs using him at center with his ability to hit 3's and get blocks as a 7' 2 way player. He showed he could do it in college against some of the best teams and he produced good numbers. He needs to bulk up more and become more muscular but he looks pretty stout if you ask me.

Hartenstein is a good veteran presence to add on with his age being younger. He can provide a bigger body to bang against the bigger centers in the league which exist in Utah NOP, Phil, Den, and the rookies that came with this draft that we missed out on who could be better than rookies usually are.

Kleeber can definitely play PF and probably help Wood and Bingham out when they face centers that are bigger. Powell can as well. Bertans not so much but he is instant offense off the bench with 3 pointers. Powell showed he can develop a 3 pointer if he focuses on that so I am ok with him at PF but not so much at the 5.

I think you keep Bullock with the wings and that gives you DFS and Bullock at the 3 with green when DFS has to play at the 4 some.

SG you need THJ back but now we have Hardy to develop as well. Good thing we got a steal with Hardy and he dropped so far in the draft we might really be hurt bad by Brunsons departure if that had happened. Hardy can play PG is what some of you are stating I have yet to ascertain that as being true but if you say so fine. Maybe Dinwiddie can play SG since he is 6'5" as well so we are 3 deep here and that is good because we all know that Luka is playing most of the minutes at PG.

Remaining minutes behind Luka at PG should be fine with a combination of guys like Dinwiddie, Frank, Hardy and if we sign Dragic. Unfortunately that means you keep Pinson on the 2 way instead of getting him up on the team to be a regular bench player.


Pinson cant sign a 2way, he got 4 years in league
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Post#48 » by SOUNDCHASER » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:46 pm

so Pinson got a spot

Luka Spencer Frank
THJ Hardy Pinson
DFS Bullock Green

1 through 3 it is set 2 deep unless a trade happens

What kind of asset would the knicks offer us in a S&T scenario for brunson? Mitchell Robinson? Not really a fan of his game.
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Post#49 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:40 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:so Pinson got a spot

Luka Spencer Frank
THJ Hardy Pinson
DFS Bullock Green

1 through 3 it is set 2 deep unless a trade happens

What kind of asset would the knicks offer us in a S&T scenario for brunson? Mitchell Robinson? Not really a fan of his game.



Nah. Knicks arent giving Robinson for Brunson. Maybe if they sign Brunson the Mavs get a huge TPE back or something.
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Post#50 » by Apz » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:51 am

arkuo wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:so Pinson got a spot

Luka Spencer Frank
THJ Hardy Pinson
DFS Bullock Green

1 through 3 it is set 2 deep unless a trade happens

What kind of asset would the knicks offer us in a S&T scenario for brunson? Mitchell Robinson? Not really a fan of his game.



Nah. Knicks arent giving Robinson for Brunson. Maybe if they sign Brunson the Mavs get a huge TPE back or something.


Only we can get back alone is fournier, well that or toppin i suppose. And fornier only works if they frontload his contract. But why would mavs do that? Huge luxtax for a meh player locking up cap for years. Considering what people want for taking back bertans contract its likely would take atleast 1 if not 2 picks.
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Post#51 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:57 am

Apz wrote:
arkuo wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:so Pinson got a spot

Luka Spencer Frank
THJ Hardy Pinson
DFS Bullock Green

1 through 3 it is set 2 deep unless a trade happens

What kind of asset would the knicks offer us in a S&T scenario for brunson? Mitchell Robinson? Not really a fan of his game.



Nah. Knicks arent giving Robinson for Brunson. Maybe if they sign Brunson the Mavs get a huge TPE back or something.


Only we can get back alone is fournier, well that or toppin i suppose. And fornier only works if they frontload his contract. But why would mavs do that? Huge luxtax for a meh player locking up cap for years. Considering what people want for taking back bertans contract its likely would take atleast 1 if not 2 picks.


Maybe they can workout a 3 way deal to send Fournier to a 3rd team that needs a shooter.
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Post#52 » by Apz » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:12 pm

arkuo wrote:
Apz wrote:
arkuo wrote:

Nah. Knicks arent giving Robinson for Brunson. Maybe if they sign Brunson the Mavs get a huge TPE back or something.


Only we can get back alone is fournier, well that or toppin i suppose. And fornier only works if they frontload his contract. But why would mavs do that? Huge luxtax for a meh player locking up cap for years. Considering what people want for taking back bertans contract its likely would take atleast 1 if not 2 picks.


Maybe they can workout a 3 way deal to send Fournier to a 3rd team that needs a shooter.


Knicks need a shooter haha
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Post#53 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:44 pm

Our 15 player team roster is pretty much set.

Luka/THJ/DFS/Wood/McGee
Dragic/Dinwiddie/Bullock/Bertans/Maxi
Hardy/Nitikina/Pinson/Green/Powell

During playoff, the rotation should be shortened to starting 5 + Dinwiddie/Bullock/Maxi
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Post#54 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:50 pm

okay now we see what we have

Luka Dinwiddie Frank Hardy
THJ Bullock Hardy
DFS Bullock THJ Green Pinson
Wood Kleeber Bertans
McGee Bingham Powell

Bullock is SF capable so Hardy can make him play SF for minutes when he breaks out. I may like to move THJ to SF and start Bullock because of his better defense.

Bingham is probably better than Powell on day one. He hits 41% from 3 and blocks 2 shots per game so he is a potential monster player that could pass McGee for minutes.

If Dragic shows up we have a decision to make on what to do with the bottom of the barrel guys.

Can Bullock play both SF and SG well enough to be counted on doing that. I know we have used THJ at SF as well but if we need a SF for a few minutes they can always get Luka to do that some and maybe even Wood can cover those kinds of players.

The teams ability to switch off on smaller players and get the ball back is looking a lot more potent now that Wood is here with McGee and Bingham. These guys seem to be a lot more athletic and faster down the court than the current bigs we have.
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Post#55 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:06 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I will put Green in the S5 at the start of RS and see what happens.

Early game of the season with no pressure.

Dinwiddie and THJ are good from the bench,Maxi too.


We have given quite a lot of chances to Green already, yet he still cant convince people he can be a capable rotation player. You seriously want him to start?
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Post#56 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:12 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I will put Green in the S5 at the start of RS and see what happens.

Early game of the season with no pressure.

Dinwiddie and THJ are good from the bench,Maxi too.


We have given quite a lot of chances to Green already, yet he still cant convince people he can be a capable rotation player. You seriously want him to start?


In RS? What is the problem?
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Post#57 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:12 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:okay now we see what we have

Luka Dinwiddie Frank Hardy
THJ Bullock Hardy
DFS Bullock THJ Green Pinson
Wood Kleeber Bertans
McGee Bingham Powell

Bullock is SF capable so Hardy can make him play SF for minutes when he breaks out. I may like to move THJ to SF and start Bullock because of his better defense.

Bingham is probably better than Powell on day one. He hits 41% from 3 and blocks 2 shots per game so he is a potential monster player that could pass McGee for minutes.

If Dragic shows up we have a decision to make on what to do with the bottom of the barrel guys.

Can Bullock play both SF and SG well enough to be counted on doing that. I know we have used THJ at SF as well but if we need a SF for a few minutes they can always get Luka to do that some and maybe even Wood can cover those kinds of players.

The teams ability to switch off on smaller players and get the ball back is looking a lot more potent now that Wood is here with McGee and Bingham. These guys seem to be a lot more athletic and faster down the court than the current bigs we have.


May be if we can sign Dragic to minimum contract, then we better don't pick up Frank's TO to save some money. Other roster is pretty much the same. Hardy/Bingham is clearly talented, and with lot of potentials. But we still need a competent sidekick to Luka as 1b, preferably a bigger wing.
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Post#58 » by Darren » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:20 pm

Ntilikina is a big pace changer on good contract. The Mavs still has no good defender at 1.
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Post#59 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:31 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I will put Green in the S5 at the start of RS and see what happens.

Early game of the season with no pressure.

Dinwiddie and THJ are good from the bench,Maxi too.


We have given quite a lot of chances to Green already, yet he still cant convince people he can be a capable rotation player. You seriously want him to start?


In RS? What is the problem?


This year, we ranked at #4 behind PHX/MEM/GSW, I don't see any of them weakened in this year, even PHX minus Ayton still a very capable team. Then we have Murray/MPJ back for DEN, Zion back for NOP, Leonard back for LAC, Davis back for LAL, Lillard for back POR. That is already 9 teams. Not to mention we still have UTAH/MIN/SAC. Only lottery team in the WEST is SAS/OKC/HOU. DAL on the other hand, have Brunson walked for free. Seriously, wont you be worry on our regular season?
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Post#60 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:32 pm

Well you can always stretch wave Powell if you fail to find a place to send him

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