Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal

Wisky4life · Post #1821 » by **Wisky4life** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:09 pm

Lopez, Allen, Hill and some 1sts for Mitchell.

Let's make some magic happen.

theFireBlanket · Post #1822 » by **theFireBlanket** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:11 pm

Nwora spending all these summers training with Giannis. Maybe he finally turns a corner this year.

He's definitely looking fitter as time goes by. Last year he had a stretch where he looked physically imposing, working for boards. If he added that component legitimately, it would go a long way.

randy84 · Post #1823 » by **randy84** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:12 pm

FlagsFlyForever wrote:
randy84 wrote:Horst is a KD's big toe away from being one of the worse GMs in the league.

Or KD shoots from one step farther back and misses short, Kawhi's quadruple bounce game winner doesn't go in, there is no pandemic, and there is no wet spot against Chicago. Now you're talking about four-time NBA champion Jon Horst.

So Horst gets the credit for Giannis and Middleton now?

Post #1824 » by **Prez** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:41 pm

randy84 wrote:
FlagsFlyForever wrote:
randy84 wrote:Horst is a KD's big toe away from being one of the worse GMs in the league.

Or KD shoots from one step farther back and misses short, Kawhi's quadruple bounce game winner doesn't go in, there is no pandemic, and there is no wet spot against Chicago. Now you're talking about four-time NBA champion Jon Horst.

So Horst gets the credit for Giannis and Middleton now?

Did Jrue, Brook, Bobby, PJ, Pat just magically appear on our roster before they became key contributors to our title?

blazza18 · Post #1825 » by **blazza18** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:42 pm

I'd really like to know how differently Horst constructs the team if Durant is behind the line instead. To me that's way different to running things back after Middleton injured himself.

randy84 · Post #1826 » by **randy84** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:49 pm

Prez wrote:
randy84 wrote:
FlagsFlyForever wrote:Or KD shoots from one step farther back and misses short, Kawhi's quadruple bounce game winner doesn't go in, there is no pandemic, and there is no wet spot against Chicago. Now you're talking about four-time NBA champion Jon Horst.

So Horst gets the credit for Giannis and Middleton now?

Did Jrue, Brook, Bobby, PJ, Pat just magically appear on our roster before they became key contributors to our title?

But obviously those guys don't matter if Middleton is hurt. Middleton being hurt is why they lost this year I am told.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1827 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:54 pm

BigO wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
We would have won if we would have skunked Boston, but instead we have up a 3 point avalanche.

id agree thats the boards assessment on why we lost that series however certainly not mine. statistacally our defense was better than average but our 101 Ortg and .494 TS% was brutal. your solution like others to demand historically good defense as a solution to overcome historically bad offense is not a solution im interested in.

id prefer next year to have decent defense like we had against boston combined with a much better effort offensively. certainly we can look at how many 3's we gave up with that shorthanded roster but reshaping the lineup with that in mind seems like a bad strategy considering how close we came to knocking boston out. in fact next year if we brought in more defense at the expense of offense id expect to lose worse.

so bring in some guys who know how to put the ball in the hoop. tweak the defensive gameplan. thats my offseason

You are underestimating Boston's defense. In the playoffs, games are usually won on defense. I'm not sure who you want to bring in, but if it's more guys like Allen, then you're giving even more up on the defensive end.

Boston had a great run, despite having just two good offensive players. They did it on defense. There's a lot of ways to get the job done.

i get it. your solution for the boston series was to figure out how to win games scoring 90 points. i get it. thats clear so we can move past that.

imo our defense is fine and in that series it was fine too. sure they had their episodes but generally we rocked their ****. read some boston threads after not 1 or 2 but 3 games and youll see that. either way the numbers over 7 games show we did enough to win that series on the defensive side and they show that clearly. moving forward id like a different solution to beat boston. perhaps even to use the solution that actually beat them which is be better on offense. imo we need an offensive gameplan that utilizes something besides giannis as a cannonball. when middleton is healthy we have plan b but we need guys that can go beyond that whether hes right next time or not.

as posters were not a good match to respond to each others posts so perhaps if you disagree it would be best just to pass on an and1 here at leave it at that. whatcha think?

emunney · Post #1828 » by **emunney** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:58 pm

emunney wrote:what the hell is netball

wtf guys

emunney · Post #1829 » by **emunney** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:59 pm

I've watched at least 9 minutes of netball and my questions are only multiplying.

Post #1830 » by **Prez** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:59 pm

randy84 wrote:
Prez wrote:
randy84 wrote:
So Horst gets the credit for Giannis and Middleton now?

Did Jrue, Brook, Bobby, PJ, Pat just magically appear on our roster before they became key contributors to our title?

But obviously those guys don't matter if Middleton is hurt. Middleton being hurt is why they lost this year I am told.

This logic makes no sense, and we can go the other way here and say Giannis and Khris didn't win a title for years until they got those support players that Horst put around them.

I'm not even a huge Horst fan but to not give him any credit at all for this stuff is absurd.

emunney · Post #1831 » by **emunney** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:03 pm

Literally an aberration

Rstuedes24 · Post #1832 » by **Rstuedes24** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:05 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:I wonder if the Jazz would be receptive to a Hill/Allen/multiple 2nd round picks for Clarkson deal.
Please.

I’ve been preaching this trade for weeks, would open up another roster spot for a vet min and would allow us to go into the season with 14 and have a chance on any buyouts mid season

RiotPunch · Post #1833 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:05 pm

Horst is *fine*.

Giannis landed Bobby, and who knows Bud's role in identifying Brook/Pat. Jrue and Tucker were signature moves indicative of a GM going all-in.

randy84 · Post #1834 » by **randy84** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:07 pm

blazza18 wrote:I'd really like to know how differently Horst constructs the team if Durant is behind the line instead. To me that's way different to running things back after Middleton injured himself.

If Nets knock out Bucks in that playoff game, then the Bucks are still stuck with the same roster that they have now with minor tweaks since Horst gave up all those draft picks and tied up all that money in Mids and Jrue. Only difference is the Bucks wouldn't have a title.

randy84 · Post #1835 » by **randy84** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:08 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Horst is *fine*.

Giannis landed Bobby, and who knows Bud's role in identifying Brook/Pat. Jrue and Tucker were signature moves indicative of a GM going all-in.

So is the Semi and Hood signings indicative of a GM going all in? Or was it the Ibaka signing?

TroyD92 · Post #1836 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:09 pm

Just looking at the Pacers board everyone seems to be pretty happy that he's gone :reporter:

randy84 · Post #1837 » by **randy84** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:10 pm

Prez wrote:
randy84 wrote:
Prez wrote:Did Jrue, Brook, Bobby, PJ, Pat just magically appear on our roster before they became key contributors to our title?

But obviously those guys don't matter if Middleton is hurt. Middleton being hurt is why they lost this year I am told.

This logic makes no sense, and we can go the other way here and say Giannis and Khris didn't win a title for years until they got those support players that Horst put around them.

I'm not even a huge Horst fan but to not give him any credit at all for this stuff is absurd.

Or they didn't win a title because Giannis hadn't fully developed his game yet.

TroyD92 · Post #1838 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:13 pm

I don't know how Indiana values Turner but something based around brook and a pick or two doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility if they are set on moving on.

blazza18 · Post #1839 » by **blazza18** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:16 pm

randy84 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:I'd really like to know how differently Horst constructs the team if Durant is behind the line instead. To me that's way different to running things back after Middleton injured himself.

If Nets knock out Bucks in that playoff game, then the Bucks are still stuck with the same roster that they have now with minor tweaks since Horst gave up all those draft picks and tied up all that money in Mids and Jrue. Only difference is the Bucks wouldn't have a title.

Yea, it's interesting. Bud is likely out though and it's close to the point where you do a roster reset. Things were getting pretty dark during that Nets series.

RiotPunch · Post #1840 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:18 pm

randy84 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Horst is *fine*.

Giannis landed Bobby, and who knows Bud's role in identifying Brook/Pat. Jrue and Tucker were signature moves indicative of a GM going all-in.

So is the Semi and Hood signings indicative of a GM going all in? Or was it the Ibaka signing?

That's after a title, and likely with strong Lasry influence (letting PJ walk, Hood was just a bad signing). Donte trade was horrid.

I'm not a Horst guy, think he's super overrated, but he went all-in that one time.