Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

Clyde_Style · Post #741 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:45 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:Getting married today, so won’t have my phone on me. Doubt anything happens anyway but hope to turn it back on to see new faces on the team

Congrats. I hope your bride supports your habit.

Meat · Post #742 » by **Meat** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:54 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:Getting married today, so won’t have my phone on me. Doubt anything happens anyway but hope to turn it back on to see new faces on the team

treat your partner better than the knicks have treated us and you'll have a fine life

Clyde_Style · Post #743 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:57 pm

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2022/7/2/23190784/p-t-round-ball-table-are-the-knicks-a-playoff-team-after-their-free-agent-spending-spree

From this article on whether the Knicks are a playoff team now, this response was on point. We do have youth and depth now, but Randle is unreliable and selfish and Thibs doesn’t know how to manage the depth we have.

I still think replacing Thibs would be an even more beneficial move than trading Randle which I want too of course.

Joe Flynn: No. Could the Knicks compete for a playoff spot? Absolutely. They have talent and depth. They have a handful of young players who seem primed for a breakout. But this is still Tom Thibodeau’s team, sadly. Thibs helped the Knicks to the playoffs when he could play an All-NBA-level Julius Randle 40 minutes a night and got 6MOY-level contributions out of Derrick Rose. This current roster, however, is built on youth and depth — two ideals that are anathema to Thibs. I don’t trust Randle to bounce back, and I don’t trust Thibs to pivot to an ascendant Obi Toppin. Now, if the front office trades Randle and forces Thibs’ hand, that’s another story.

KnicksGadfly · Post #744 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 5:00 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2022/7/2/23190784/p-t-round-ball-table-are-the-knicks-a-playoff-team-after-their-free-agent-spending-spree

From this article on whether the Knicks are a playoff team now, this response was on point. We do have youth and depth now, but Randle is unreliable and selfish and Thibs doesn’t know how to manage the depth we have.

I still think replacing Thibs would be an even more beneficial move than trading Randle which I want too of course.

Joe Flynn: No. Could the Knicks compete for a playoff spot? Absolutely. They have talent and depth. They have a handful of young players who seem primed for a breakout. But this is still Tom Thibodeau’s team, sadly. Thibs helped the Knicks to the playoffs when he could play an All-NBA-level Julius Randle 40 minutes a night and got 6MOY-level contributions out of Derrick Rose. This current roster, however, is built on youth and depth — two ideals that are anathema to Thibs. I don’t trust Randle to bounce back, and I don’t trust Thibs to pivot to an ascendant Obi Toppin. Now, if the front office trades Randle and forces Thibs’ hand, that’s another story.

I hate these stories where they pit the Knicks FO against the coach. If Thibs effs up, FO should be first to blame. If they don't want the blame, they should fix their problem now, not later. If Thibs plays Randle 40 minutes a game and denigrates the youth while doing so, while allowing Randle to walk all over him, we can't say we didn't foresee it.

Clyde_Style · Post #745 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 5:23 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2022/7/2/23190784/p-t-round-ball-table-are-the-knicks-a-playoff-team-after-their-free-agent-spending-spree

From this article on whether the Knicks are a playoff team now, this response was on point. We do have youth and depth now, but Randle is unreliable and selfish and Thibs doesn’t know how to manage the depth we have.

I still think replacing Thibs would be an even more beneficial move than trading Randle which I want too of course.

Joe Flynn: No. Could the Knicks compete for a playoff spot? Absolutely. They have talent and depth. They have a handful of young players who seem primed for a breakout. But this is still Tom Thibodeau’s team, sadly. Thibs helped the Knicks to the playoffs when he could play an All-NBA-level Julius Randle 40 minutes a night and got 6MOY-level contributions out of Derrick Rose. This current roster, however, is built on youth and depth — two ideals that are anathema to Thibs. I don’t trust Randle to bounce back, and I don’t trust Thibs to pivot to an ascendant Obi Toppin. Now, if the front office trades Randle and forces Thibs’ hand, that’s another story.

I hate these stories where they pit the Knicks FO against the coach. If Thibs effs up, FO should be first to blame. If they don't want the blame, they should fix their problem now, not later. If Thibs plays Randle 40 minutes a game and denigrates the youth while doing so, while allowing Randle to walk all over him, we can't say we didn't foresee it.

Flynn’s comments shouldn’t be taken to fronting for the FO. What he said is accurate IMO.

As far as the FO, of course they are responsible for hiring Thibs and enabling him, but I think they are also forcing his hand now by shipping out journeymen while retaining the youth which now constitutes the majority of our roster.

The ideal move is to replace Thibs, but since it didn’t happen this off-season we can expect more of him for a minimum of another season unless the wheels fall off and we have a massive losing streak.

So, yeah, Thibs could go full Thibs and play Randle 40 minutes and F everything up. If he does, the blame does fall on Leon Rose

Post #746 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:15 pm

Def true, can see how RJ even gets into so many posters heads. :lol:

Read on Twitter

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Post #747 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:18 pm

The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

Post #748 » by **DOT** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:32 pm

Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

According to some very intelligent posters though, literally zero other teams would even give RJ 20 minutes a game.

Ray Williams · Post #749 » by **Ray Williams** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:41 pm

DOT wrote:
Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

According to some very intelligent posters though, literally zero other teams would even give RJ 20 minutes a game.

Post #750 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:43 pm

DOT wrote:
Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

According to some very intelligent posters though, literally zero other teams would even give RJ 20 minutes a game.

He's going to have to eat **** on this but I suspect a pivot to avoid biting down and chewing. He can't keep getting away with this.

HEZI · Post #751 » by **HEZI** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:49 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Def true, can see how RJ even gets into so many posters heads.

Read on Twitter
?s=21&t=p-hwCY8JZ8untKY9vV_sZQ

And players, ahem Tatum

Knicksfan1992 · Post #752 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:57 pm

Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

You're betting on the personality and the work ethic more than anything. Other teams would definitely take that bet 100%

Dave DaButcher · Post #753 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:57 pm

Meat wrote:
dukeknicksirish wrote:Getting married today, so won’t have my phone on me. Doubt anything happens anyway but hope to turn it back on to see new faces on the team

treat your partner better than the knicks have treated us and you'll have a fine life

That’s a really low bar.

Oscirus · Post #754 » by **Oscirus** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:03 pm

We were never going to draft 11 or 13 or whenever. The knicks literally said to afford brunson they'd have to dump iq or the 11 and since they werent gonna dump iq...

Knox · Post #755 » by **Knox** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:13 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:Getting married today, so won’t have my phone on me. Doubt anything happens anyway but hope to turn it back on to see new faces on the team

Congratulations!

stuporman · Post #756 » by **stuporman** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:23 pm

It looks like the Knicks are pretty much done since I suspect they won't get in on any trades. Maybe as all the big trades go down they will settle for a S&T with Brunson that nets a little draft asset or something.

I really don't see them getting in on the block busters even as a 3rd team facilitator unless it means they can get off Fournier or something otherwise it seems they are ready to roll with what they have.

Although, it wouldn't surprise me if they hold onto the exception until the trades shake out to see what vets get bought out and scoop up someone for depth. Or maybe one of the unsigned FAs get desperate and take the exception.

Not sure what position they would target because everywhere on the depth chart there is two deep with young guys needing mins, maybe a 3&D swing forward? That should be Cam but he needs to step up and be an impact presence on both ends of the court in the mins he does get.

Yea, I don't expect to see much more of any transaction activity from the Knicks other than small adjustments to the roster.

HarthorneWingo · Post #757 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:27 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

You're betting on the personality and the work ethic more than anything. Other teams would definitely take that bet 100%

You’re going to give RJ how much money?

spree8 · Post #758 » by **spree8** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:28 pm

Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

Yea Katz said the majority of other executives would do 25m per year. That’s what I’m anticipating… approx 5yrs/125m

Post #759 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:32 pm

spree8 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

Yea Katz said the majority of other executives would do 25m per year. That’s what I’m anticipating… approx 5yrs/125m

Up to 140 then is my guess.

thebuzzardman · Post #760 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:46 pm

Dave DaButcher wrote:
Meat wrote:
dukeknicksirish wrote:Getting married today, so won’t have my phone on me. Doubt anything happens anyway but hope to turn it back on to see new faces on the team

treat your partner better than the knicks have treated us and you'll have a fine life

That’s a really low bar.

Seriously.

He could set the bride up in a dirty trailer in a dangerous trailer park and f*ck hookers all day in the next room and still be ahead.