[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[sp6r=underrated]

WB isnt a headcase. He's just not good

Yeah, that's fair. He's sort of a model for Dunning-Kreuger and all, but he's not the kind to screw over his organization or anything like that. He just isn't good enough to merit his contract or his role in an offense, etc. "Headcase" has always seemed wrong as a label for what's wrong with Westbrook.

The best description I heard for Westbrook is that his skill-set and body type gave him the aging curve of an NFL Running Back. The way he plays the game makes being effective in the 30s extremely hard unless he completely revamp his game which he hasn't figure out how to do. Wade was a similar type and he fell off a cliff in his 30s too.

But not adapting to ageing doesn't make them headcases.

[the_process]

I predict it will be Irving and Harris for Westbrook and a 2027 unprotected 1st.

That’s an absolute win for the Lakers. For the Nets, it’s tolerable.

[Snakebites]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

If you think replacing Westbrook with Kyrie fixes all the issues this Laker team had I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

[OriginalRed]

Nets better be getting like 3 picks for this trash ughhh I'm gonna be sick

You can always hold on to Kyrie and just let him walk for nothing in the offseason. Lakers aren't going to act desperate this time and are prepared for that with max cap space next offseason. You can't really fault the Lakers in this situation for setting their salaries/cap up like this and trying to improve their team.

I'm perfectly fine with keeping Kyrie and letting him suffer at home for the year. Lakers are desperate, lebron time is ticking and street clothes is not going to make his life easier. We all seen how last year played out with westbrick there, they are desperately trying to get rid of him. I highly doubt lakers want to waste another year of lebron, he might end up being the next one asking for a trade lol

This right here.

Sure, the Lakers might not care to keep Westbrook for another year since he's expiring but what about Lebron? Look at how angry he was at the FO last year because they refused to move off picks to improve the team (which was the right decision mind you). How do you think he's going to react to the Lakers refusing to trade more picks to not only get of Westbrook but ALSO get Kyrie and Harris/Seth? He's turning 38 this year, he probably won't even be in the league in a few years; he wants to win now and wasting another year can't be ideal for him. Not to mention his extension is coming up and that could be at risk if he's frustrated at the Lakers for not going doing the deal.

I'm not saying don't accept the Westbrook deal if I'm the Nets, just don't do it now. It's not going anywhere lol. Kyrie is untradeable to any other team but so is Westbrook. I don't care what these Laker fans say about this Darvin Ham nonsense, do they honestly believe Westbrook is going to change his game and "sacrifice" for a team that's openly trading him? They'll be better then last year not because the roster improved but because last year went so disastrously bad that it can't get any worse.

[HanzGruber]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

People thought the same thing when they all went to Brooklyn. Not like this guarantees a championship. Someone still has to play defense

[NyKnicks1714]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

The Nets aren't Laker-haters; their goal isn't to "not bail out" the Lakers. It's to do what's best for their own team. If (still quite a big if) all they can get for Kyrie is a 2027 1st, then they have to do that. And it that is a good enough package to land Kyrie, then blame the other 28 teams for not offering something better.

[DNice68]

I still don't believe this trade is happening. No way they let the Lakers make out like bandits like this!

[Pharmcat]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

If you think replacing Westbrook with Kyrie fixes all the issues this Laker team had I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

This

Lakers lack of 3 and D wing players is their biggest weakness. They had that in green and kcp but inexplicably gave it away for guys who can’t shoot?

[Pharmcat]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

The Nets aren't Laker-haters; their goal isn't to "not bail out" the Lakers. If (still quite a big if) all they can get for Kyrie is a 2027 1st, then they have to do that. And it that is a good enough package to land Kyrie, then blame the other 28 teams for not offering something better.

After last year why would any team want kyrie? The only reason lakers are interested is because they are desperate due to terrible management of their roster in last 2 years

[Ballerhogger]

people really hate the lakers

[Ballerhogger]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

If you think replacing Westbrook with Kyrie fixes all the issues this Laker team had I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

not but we have some aces up our sleeves. MacClung will be good

[MoMan24]

this is a horrible deal. Kyrie is still a star when he's on the floor, check the numbers. Westbrick is a negative on the floor. Joe Harris is a top 5 shooter that can do other things. I don't know how ya can't see the Lakers are making out like bandits here. Lebron and Kyrie is a way better fit and he's probably the only one that can talk some sense into that nutcase.

The numbers look shiny 'when' he plays. But has Kyrie impacted winning in anyway since leaving Cleveland. He has won 2 playoff series in the 5 seasons since he left Bron. He is not a winner and will destroy your team chemistry while also being on a 1 year deal where he will leave 99.9% if you trade for him. He is also 30 now and injury prone. The player I just described is not worth much. Lakers are the only team desperate to take Kyrie because of the massive failure that was the Westbrook trade. They also have Bron and coach Phil Handy who Kyrie respects.

Kyrie has done more since leaving cleveland than Westbrick has done since KD left. MVP of the league has got bounced in the first round how many times? He couldn't win with Harden, he's literally with thee best player and they had a horrible season with one of the worst records dude is not a winning player at all. Lebron literally won a ring with Kyrie, Wetsbrick comes to town and they can't even make the play in. Your point is invalid. Kyrie is miles better than westbrick. Then add a top 5 shooter to go along with him, this is highway robbery. This trade isn't close to being fair in value.

In a normal situation you would be right. The Nets are in the oddest situation I have ever seen.

[giberish]

Westbrook for Kyrie straight up is not possible. The Nets have to include Harris or Curry.

Ok? How does getting rid of either of those guys for nothing help them?

Yeah couldn't quite follow his logic there. The Nets don't actually have to accept anything from us.

Westbrook for Irving doesn't work straight up due to the extra salary Westbrook makes. The Nets have to send out someone else for the deal to be CBA legal and they don't have many options.

Given his health and extra salary, IMO Harris is a negative value contract in general so the Lakers taking him for nothing adds value to the Nets (and increases the Lakers luxury tax bills). Curry is IMO a clear positive value asset so the Lakers taking him for nothing takes value away from the Nets (and saves LAL money as they'd pay Irving + Curry less then Westbrook's salary). Apparently the Lakers want to send THT back to the Nets if they're forced to take back Harris, but despite making a bit less than Harris, IMO THT is at least as negative in trade value (and a truly horrible on-court fit with Westbrook).

To me, Westbrook + 1st for Irving + Harris seems about fair. Or Westbrook + THT + 2 1sts for Irving + Harris. Maybe Westbrook + 2 1sts for Irving + Curry but that still might not be enough for BK.

[SleepingDragon]

I predict it will be Irving and Harris for Westbrook and a 2027 unprotected 1st.

That’s an absolute win for the Lakers. For the Nets, it’s tolerable.

Lakers would be dumb to give up a 2027 unprotected 1st and take on Harris' contract.

Either Irving and Harris for Westbrook and fillers(THT?), or Irving and Curry for Westbrook + 2027 1st.

[Pennebaker]

this is a horrible deal. Kyrie is still a star when he's on the floor, check the numbers. Westbrick is a negative on the floor. Joe Harris is a top 5 shooter that can do other things. I don't know how ya can't see the Lakers are making out like bandits here. Lebron and Kyrie is a way better fit and he's probably the only one that can talk some sense into that nutcase.

The numbers look shiny 'when' he plays. But has Kyrie impacted winning in anyway since leaving Cleveland. He has won 2 playoff series in the 5 seasons since he left Bron. He is not a winner and will destroy your team chemistry while also being on a 1 year deal where he will leave 99.9% if you trade for him. He is also 30 now and injury prone. The player I just described is not worth much. Lakers are the only team desperate to take Kyrie because of the massive failure that was the Westbrook trade. They also have Bron and coach Phil Handy who Kyrie respects.

Kyrie has done more since leaving cleveland than Westbrick has done since KD left. MVP of the league has got bounced in the first round how many times? He couldn't win with Harden, he's literally with thee best player and they had a horrible season with one of the worst records dude is not a winning player at all. Lebron literally won a ring with Kyrie, Wetsbrick comes to town and they can't even make the play in. Your point is invalid. Kyrie is miles better than westbrick. Then add a top 5 shooter to go along with him, this is highway robbery. This trade isn't close to being fair in value.

Since KD left, Westbrook earned a place on this list: https://www.nba.com/news/history-nba-legends

NBA Legends. Russell Westbrook.

Where is Kyrie's name? He's not on the list.

Kyrie hasn't done anything since he left Cleveland. That's why he's trying to get back to LeBron.

[NyKnicks1714]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

The Nets aren't Laker-haters; their goal isn't to "not bail out" the Lakers. If (still quite a big if) all they can get for Kyrie is a 2027 1st, then they have to do that. And it that is a good enough package to land Kyrie, then blame the other 28 teams for not offering something better.

After last year why would any team want kyrie? The only reason lakers are interested is because they are desperate due to terrible management of their roster in last 2 years

Mostly because he's super cheap right now, and some teams need to take a risk.

[TravisScott55]

This type of bailout seems to only happen to the Lakers

[TacoLord]

KD wants to play with Donovan Mitchell, right? Maybe the Nets could try to trade Kyrie to LAL and get Mitchell in return from Utah?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Should be the Mavs imo

Irving/Burke/Jones
Bullock/Dinwidde/Hardy
Doncic/Finney-Smith/Green
Kleber/Bertans/Wright
Wood/?/Onu

[DNice68]

Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

The Nets aren't Laker-haters; their goal isn't to "not bail out" the Lakers. If (still quite a big if) all they can get for Kyrie is a 2027 1st, then they have to do that. And it that is a good enough package to land Kyrie, then blame the other 28 teams for not offering something better.

After last year why would any team want kyrie? The only reason lakers are interested is because they are desperate due to terrible management of their roster in last 2 years

If they get Kyrie and AD comes back strong, they are the favorites.