Leaguewide Offseason Transactions Discussion

[8516knicks]

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Special Folksssss SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He moves with a lot of energy for a guy that big. He looks pretty good.

when does Ivey play?

[ibraheim718]

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Special Folksssss SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He moves with a lot of energy for a guy that big. He looks pretty good.

when does Ivey play?

He makes his debut july 8th.

[Knox]

He moves with a lot of energy for a guy that big. He looks pretty good.

when does Ivey play?

He makes his debut july 8th.

If we tanked a bit more we might of had Ivey man

[Guano]

I too hope that one day, we can rise from the tyranny of women making false accusations against men, which as we all know is far more prevalent than women being afraid to speak up for fear of retribution. Which never happens because every accusation is taken as truth and men are locked up without trial, definitely no cases where women are ignored by police or even told they "deserved" it because of what they were wearing or because they provoked their partner or anything

Really, it's the men who are the real victims here.

It’s situational, that’s why gathering the facts is crucial in deciding this. I guess Men can’t ever be the victim or lied on these days. You would think Johnny Depp’s case proved that this is more prevalent the we think. Some people are garbage whether they are male or female. Men who are victims fail to speak out or charge women because of this attitude displayed in your post. It’s a double standard. Terrible

And women who are victims fail to speak out because of the attitude displayed in your post where you hold men to the standard of innocent until proven guilty but women are guilty of lying until proven innocent

To even imply that it's remotely close in terms of scope is disgusting.

DOT, you're alright for being a mod.

[DOT]

You clearly haven’t read anything I posted in its totality. Still waiting to see if I mistyped…. That or said gathering the facts apply to Men only. To assume that Men are inherently more evil than women because of their private parts is crazy to me. I am saying treat every person equally and gather the facts. More than likely the male is the aggressor because of his sex is sexism.

Again, be fair. It's not a football game. We should all be concerned about the truthfulness of all allegations wherever they arise. Case by case. Might not fit our sound bite society but a little work to find the truth in each case would be nice instead of instant votes aligned by loyalty to one's preconceptions. No one has a monopoly on truth. And no one has a monopoly on lies. And I support Mycelle.

Highest estimate says 5% of dv/sexual assault allegations are false

It's a bit difficult to judge, but best estimates are that 50% of dv/sexual assaults go unreported

Y'all keep ignoring this to be like "yeah but women lie though"

Not very "gathering the facts" of you to keep pretending women lying and women not reporting are even remotely close to happening at the same rate

This entire time, I've only been saying that women lying happens significantly less than women not reporting, which neither of y'all has even acknowledged and just keep regurgitating "yeah but women lie though" like I'm arguing they never do. Seems kinda bad faith for such rational, intelligent people, but alas.

[8516knicks]

when does Ivey play?

He makes his debut july 8th.

If we tanked a bit more we might of had Ivey man

We need a Brunson/Ivey (or like him) backcourt. THen RJ is an okay 3. Mitch and Hartenstein and Okay 5. But Randle...
Unless he reverts to 2020!

[DOT]

DOT, you're alright for being a mod.

[WargamesX]

when does Ivey play?

He makes his debut july 8th.

If we tanked a bit more we might of had Ivey man

Let’s not talk about the 2022 draft.
Hopefully it was sacrificed for a good cause.

[Jose7]

"Andy Larsen said that the Jazz have been actively seeking a godfather offer for Mitchell. So it's like the Rudy situation. They're not just taking calls. They're seeking packages."

[Jose7]

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1vOxwyEoekPGB

[Jose7]

Andy Larsen said he's had people in the organization tell him that they're definitely not trading Donovan, and then he's had others tell him that they're going to trade him because Danny Ainge isn't that enamored with him and what he brings, and wants to build his own team from scratch.

copying from jazz forum, I missed this quote

[stuporman]

The advanced stats say that unreported DV is a much higher percentage than false allegations...for the stat nerds.

Oh...and that includes the unreported by men...which is a thing...a sizable thing.

[8516knicks]

You clearly haven’t read anything I posted in its totality. Still waiting to see if I mistyped…. That or said gathering the facts apply to Men only. To assume that Men are inherently more evil than women because of their private parts is crazy to me. I am saying treat every person equally and gather the facts. More than likely the male is the aggressor because of his sex is sexism.

Again, be fair. It's not a football game. We should all be concerned about the truthfulness of all allegations wherever they arise. Case by case. Might not fit our sound bite society but a little work to find the truth in each case would be nice instead of instant votes aligned by loyalty to one's preconceptions. No one has a monopoly on truth. And no one has a monopoly on lies. And I support Mycelle.

Highest estimate says 5% of dv/sexual assault allegations are false

It's a bit difficult to judge, but best estimates are that 50% of dv/sexual assaults go unreported

Y'all keep ignoring this to be like "yeah but women lie though"

Not very "gathering the facts" of you to keep pretending women lying and women not reporting are even remotely close to happening at the same rate

This entire time, I've only been saying that women lying happens significantly less than women not reporting, which neither of y'all has even acknowledged and just keep regurgitating "yeah but women lie though" like I'm arguing they never do. Seems kinda bad faith for such rational, intelligent people, but alas.

Well, you've totally misrepresented my postion... Congratulations! Did u miss where I said I support Mychelle?

[Knox]

You clearly haven’t read anything I posted in its totality. Still waiting to see if I mistyped…. That or said gathering the facts apply to Men only. To assume that Men are inherently more evil than women because of their private parts is crazy to me. I am saying treat every person equally and gather the facts. More than likely the male is the aggressor because of his sex is sexism.

Again, be fair. It's not a football game. We should all be concerned about the truthfulness of all allegations wherever they arise. Case by case. Might not fit our sound bite society but a little work to find the truth in each case would be nice instead of instant votes aligned by loyalty to one's preconceptions. No one has a monopoly on truth. And no one has a monopoly on lies. And I support Mycelle.

Highest estimate says 5% of dv/sexual assault allegations are false

It's a bit difficult to judge, but best estimates are that 50% of dv/sexual assaults go unreported

Y'all keep ignoring this to be like "yeah but women lie though"

Not very "gathering the facts" of you to keep pretending women lying and women not reporting are even remotely close to happening at the same rate

This entire time, I've only been saying that women lying happens significantly less than women not reporting, which neither of y'all has even acknowledged and just keep regurgitating "yeah but women lie though" like I'm arguing they never do. Seems kinda bad faith for such rational, intelligent people, but alas.

Yes your sarcastic post minimizing Men who are wronged or treated unjustly in the legal system. Like we are wrong for saying that based on past experiences? Because women lying happens significantly less than Women not reporting. So Men can’t talk about these things because women experience case A,B or C?

[Knox]

Andy Larsen said he's had people in the organization tell him that they're definitely not trading Donovan, and then he's had others tell him that they're going to trade him because Danny Ainge isn't that enamored with him and what he brings, and wants to build his own team from scratch.

copying from jazz forum, I missed this quote

Thanks Great find

[mpharris36]

"Andy Larsen said that the Jazz have been actively seeking a godfather offer for Mitchell. So it's like the Rudy situation. They're not just taking calls. They're seeking packages."

do they smell the knicks desperation from utah?

I think they will bank on the outrage that Mitchell is a local kid and this team is desperately needing a star (even if Mitchell isn't that top tier star).

[DOT]

Well, you've totally misrepresented my postion... Congratulations! Did u miss where I said I support Mychelle?

Considering that, if I'm being charitable, you never understood my position to begin with, thanks

If not, you still haven't acknowledged my point about false allegations being significantly less frequent than non-reports. I guess you must have missed that part. So, one more time, just to be clear:

False allegations are significantly less frequent than women not reporting dv and sexual assault. I can keep saying it if you want, but you're still not even acknowledging my position.

[8516knicks]

"Andy Larsen said that the Jazz have been actively seeking a godfather offer for Mitchell. So it's like the Rudy situation. They're not just taking calls. They're seeking packages."

do they smell the knicks desperation from utah?

I think they will bank on the outrage that Mitchell is a local kid and this team is desperately needing a star (even if Mitchell isn't that top tier star).

EVERYONE smells the Knicks Desperation!!!

[8516knicks]

Well, you've totally misrepresented my postion... Congratulations! Did u miss where I said I support Mychelle?

Considering that, if I'm being charitable, you never understood my position to begin with, thanks

If not, you still haven't acknowledged my point about false allegations being significantly less frequent than non-reports. I guess you must have missed that part. So, one more time, just to be clear:

False allegations are significantly less frequent than women not reporting dv and sexual assault. I can keep saying it if you want, but you're still not even acknowledging my position.

Yes, I've seen that before. Might be true. Probably is. Doesn't make your automatically accepting the guy is in the wrong. Again, I support Mychelle. But I think u would have condemned Dante! I'm for truth, not BS rallying to one side or another for political points (and sorry, Knox, I rather like Prof Richard Wolf).

[DOT]

Yes, I've seen that before. Might be true. Probably is. Doesn't make your automatically accepting the guy is in the wrong. Again, I support Mychelle. But I think u would have condemned Dante! I'm for truth, not BS rallying to one side or another for political points (and sorry, Knox, I rather like Prof Richard Wolf).

Yes your sarcastic post minimizing Men who are wronged or treated unjustly in the legal system. Like we are wrong for saying that based on past experiences? Because women lying happens significantly less than Women not reporting. So Men can’t talk about these things because women experience case A,B or C?

I've laid out my point for both of you several times

The fact that both of you are more concerned about women lying than women not reporting incidents speaks volumes, and the fact that you can both barely acknowledge the data regarding false allegations vs unreported assaults says even more

Clearly you both have some issues with women you need to work out. I hope you're able to do so in a healthy manner.