Bump thread for Kevin Durant

GetBuLLish · Post #461 » by **GetBuLLish** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 12:56 am

You would think that after the haul Utah got from trading Gobert, people would stop throwing around ridiculous trade ideas with the Bulls fleecing other teams.

But somehow it’s gotten worse.

SfBull · Post #462 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:05 am

greenwing wrote:
SfBull wrote:
greenwing wrote:If the report that Vucevic helped recruit Dragic to Chicago is true then I think that pours ice on any potential Durant to Chicago scenario. Wouldn’t Vucevic have to be included in a Durant trade? I don’t see us moving DeRozan in a Durant deal.

Vucevic helped recruiting DeMar and now Dragic and we'll stay out of contention for the next season.

I don’t agree. If we stay healthy we have every bit of chance making it to the Finals as Boston did last season. This roster on paper is already better than last season.

Improvements made so far (in theory):

1. Healthy Patrick Williams
2. Healthy Zach Lavine
3. Upgraded Tristan Thompson with Andre Drummond
4. Added Dalen Terry over Troy Brown Jr
5. Added veteran presence and insurance point guard (which we didn’t have last season) in Goran Dragic
6. Returning players now more experienced playing as a unit

Negatives:
1. Lonzo Ball health (big question mark)
2. Need a true rim protector
3. Need another big man shooter (Gallinari would have been a great fit but he’s not coming here)

Overall this is a better roster. Lonzo’s health I think is the biggest issue here but if he comes back healthy then the Bulls will be tough to beat again.

Reaching the Finals?How can this roster beat the Bucks,Heat or Sixers in a playoff series?
Can't happen

gobullschi · Post #463 » by **gobullschi** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:08 am

SfBull wrote:
greenwing wrote:
SfBull wrote:Vucevic helped recruiting DeMar and now Dragic and we'll stay out of contention for the next season.

I don’t agree. If we stay healthy we have every bit of chance making it to the Finals as Boston did last season. This roster on paper is already better than last season.

Improvements made so far (in theory):

1. Healthy Patrick Williams
2. Healthy Zach Lavine
3. Upgraded Tristan Thompson with Andre Drummond
4. Added Dalen Terry over Troy Brown Jr
5. Added veteran presence and insurance point guard (which we didn’t have last season) in Goran Dragic
6. Returning players now more experienced playing as a unit

Negatives:
1. Lonzo Ball health (big question mark)
2. Need a true rim protector
3. Need another big man shooter (Gallinari would have been a great fit but he’s not coming here)

Overall this is a better roster. Lonzo’s health I think is the biggest issue here but if he comes back healthy then the Bulls will be tough to beat again.

Reaching the Finals?How can this roster beat the Bucks,Heat or Sixers in a playoff series?
Can't happen

We will have a better idea how the Bulls match up if they can stay healthy this year. Make a decision then.

SfBull · Post #464 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:16 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Bulls are not getting Durant.

They won't.Not after maxing Zach .The offseason is over.

SfBull · Post #465 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:18 am

GetBuLLish wrote:You would think that after the haul Utah got from trading Gobert, people would stop throwing around ridiculous trade ideas with the Bulls fleecing other teams.

But somehow it’s gotten worse.

People throw out these trades because they aren't satisfied with the roster they have . I'm one of them.

Dan Z · Post #466 » by **Dan Z** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:23 am

TheStig wrote:
dice wrote:
TheStig wrote:Am I crazy but does a KD and Kyrie for DDR, Vuc, Ball, White and picks/Swaps make sense.

Net's are left with a playoff team with Ball, DDR, Simmoms, Vuc, Harris, Mills, Oneal, Mills, Claxton.

We have Kyrie, Lavine, KD, Pwill, Drummond, Caruso, Dragic, Ayo, DJ and Bradley. Probably want to sign some bigs.

We contend, they make the playoffs with a hard working and competitive team.

i don't think the nets are interested in trading a contending team for a mere playoff team. if they sell the farm it will very likely be for a haul of draft picks and a rebuild

Remember the Nets lose their draft pick for years to Houston. This deal will get them in the playoffs for a few years, give them a good young player too and by picks and swaps, we are giving up our draft to them. So it's a competitive package.

The Nets 2023 pick is a swap with Houston, so they can be bad if they want to. After that it's a different story. The 2024 pick is unprotected to Houston.

EDIT:
Its more complicated than I original thought. See below.

2023 first round draft pick to Houston or Utah (swap, more favorable of Houston and Philadelphia incoming)
Houston will receive the more favorable of its 2023 1st round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 1st round pick; Brooklyn will receive the more favorable of (i) the less favorable of its pick and the Houston pick and (ii) Philadelphia's 2023 1st round pick and Utah will receive the least favorable of the three (via Houston's right to swap for Brooklyn; via Brooklyn to Utah) [Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 2/10/2022; Brooklyn-Utah, 6/30/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

nitetrain8603 · Post #467 » by **nitetrain8603** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:32 am

the ultimates wrote:
dribble1614 wrote:
the ultimates wrote:

Brooklyn didn't make any deep playoff runs and definitely didn't narrowly miss any titles that's with Durant influencing coaching and personnel decisions. So if the Bulls trade the farm for him why should I assume they'll be better than one second-around appearance like KD did with the Nets.

that was in large part to the loony kyrie getting injured and sitting out games inexplicably creating all kinds of chemistry issues and chaos.

basically there's probably about 6-7 players currently who can be the best player on a win-it-all team and durant is in that rare category. it's an obvious risk worth taking to me, especially if the alternative doesn't suggest much more than 5-8 seeds annually.

KD knew exactly how unreliable Kyrie was when they both signed with the Nets. KD doesn't get a pass for that. What about KD wanting the trade for Harden and then not trying to convince James another friend to stay instead of demanding a trade when things got tough?

You are right KD can be the best player on a championship team like he did in GSW but he was never a team leader in Golden State and never influenced coaching or personnel decisions. I would rather be 5-8 seed than rely on a guy who got everything he wanted in Brooklyn messed everything up and then bounced when the going got tough.

I think that's untrue. Kyrie put it into hyperdrive after his first year with Brooklyn. His first year, before getting injured, he was balling out. No one could've predicted Covid would happen, much less Kyrie would campaign players not to play in it. No could could've guessed he was going to ask for a vacation a few weeks into the season after being off for 13 months or whatever it was.

KD on the Bulls is a winner if you keep LaVine and Demar.

To me, Brooklyn's only option is a tear down. Marks oversaw the last one after having to clean up Billy King's mess in which he traded the farm. Marks knows how to build a team. He just didn't have foresight to see how one player in particular was going to hijack the entire operation. The only fault I'll give KD is that he didn't get in Harden or Kyrie's ass and hold them accountable. I mean, due to Kyrie, they fired Atkinson. That should've been the first sign of danger.

Bulls offer a few picks and 3 young players to the Nets, and another they could flip right away.

Vuc
PWill
Ball
Coby
3 first rounders

Brooklyn can still flip Ben and Vuc. Ben gets you a first rounder IMO (he may need to play part of the season), and Vuc can also get you a 1st if not more. They'll be able to repair a whole lot faster.

nitetrain8603 · Post #468 » by **nitetrain8603** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:33 am

SfBull wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Bulls are not getting Durant.

They won't.Not after maxing Zach .The offseason is over.

How couldn't they?

WindyCityBorn · Post #469 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 2:07 am

SfBull wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Bulls are not getting Durant.

They won't.Not after maxing Zach .The offseason is over.

They were not getting him regardless. You really think he would come here to play with DeMar and Vuc? Zach would be main guy he would want to play with.

SfBull · Post #470 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 4:12 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
SfBull wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Bulls are not getting Durant.

They won't.Not after maxing Zach .The offseason is over.

They were not getting him regardless. You really think he would come here to play with DeMar and Vuc? Zach would be main guy he would want to play with.

I know and that's another reason why he wouldn't play for the Bulls.

Stratmaster · Post #471 » by **Stratmaster** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:09 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Demar derozan for Durant makes a ton of sense for both sides. Derozan not exactly chop liver here he did just make 2nd team all nba and if the nets are concerned with remaining competitive, demar does more to keep the nets competitive than bam adebayo or deandre ayton or pascal siakam does. In time bam ayton etc might serve to be better but right now derozan keeps you competitive.

You won't get this historic haul for Durant but I doubt you were getting that anyway. Derozan, Patrick Williams, ayo donsumu, Portland pick, our next pick and 2 pick swaps is a great haul for a 34 year old Durant.

While I agree with what you have said talent and impact wise, everything I hear is that they want a windfall of high draft picks for him. Something the Bulls can't offer.

Stratmaster · Post #472 » by **Stratmaster** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:14 pm

SfBull wrote:
greenwing wrote:
SfBull wrote:Vucevic helped recruiting DeMar and now Dragic and we'll stay out of contention for the next season.

I don’t agree. If we stay healthy we have every bit of chance making it to the Finals as Boston did last season. This roster on paper is already better than last season.

Improvements made so far (in theory):

1. Healthy Patrick Williams
2. Healthy Zach Lavine
3. Upgraded Tristan Thompson with Andre Drummond
4. Added Dalen Terry over Troy Brown Jr
5. Added veteran presence and insurance point guard (which we didn’t have last season) in Goran Dragic
6. Returning players now more experienced playing as a unit

Negatives:
1. Lonzo Ball health (big question mark)
2. Need a true rim protector
3. Need another big man shooter (Gallinari would have been a great fit but he’s not coming here)

Overall this is a better roster. Lonzo’s health I think is the biggest issue here but if he comes back healthy then the Bulls will be tough to beat again.

Reaching the Finals?How can this roster beat the Bucks,Heat or Sixers in a playoff series?
Can't happen

Well, unless the team they face is missing their starting PG along with their best player like Butler or Giannis playing on one leg. But that could never happen in the NBA.

sco · Post #473 » by **sco** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:46 pm

What team are you guys rooting for him to go to? I'm thinking BOS or TOR...I'm of the feeling that KD might actually weaken both teams, or at least shorten their contention windows.

weneeda2guard · Post #474 » by **weneeda2guard** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:55 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:Demar derozan for Durant makes a ton of sense for both sides. Derozan not exactly chop liver here he did just make 2nd team all nba and if the nets are concerned with remaining competitive, demar does more to keep the nets competitive than bam adebayo or deandre ayton or pascal siakam does. In time bam ayton etc might serve to be better but right now derozan keeps you competitive.

You won't get this historic haul for Durant but I doubt you were getting that anyway. Derozan, Patrick Williams, ayo donsumu, Portland pick, our next pick and 2 pick swaps is a great haul for a 34 year old Durant.

While I agree with what you have said talent and impact wise, everything I hear is that they want a windfall of high draft picks for him. Something the Bulls can't offer.

And its something they can't get unless they willing to send Durant to a trash team. Even if they got 4 picks from let's say Phoenix they will be likely 4 trash picks in the 20s. Me personally I would rather take a couple young prospects (pwill and ayo) and a pick that could be higher than 20s (Portland pick) and a future pick than 4 trash picks in the 20s. Then you would have derozan and Simmons etc on the team to still keep you competitive considering they don't have their picks. They get let's say ayton or bam (with Simmons gone to make that deal) they still run a large risk of losing a lot. Then those picks go to Houston. With our package you getting some compete now and developing pieces for the future.

BullChit · Post #475 » by **BullChit** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 1:59 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
SfBull wrote:
greenwing wrote:
I don’t agree. If we stay healthy we have every bit of chance making it to the Finals as Boston did last season. This roster on paper is already better than last season.

Improvements made so far (in theory):

1. Healthy Patrick Williams
2. Healthy Zach Lavine
3. Upgraded Tristan Thompson with Andre Drummond
4. Added Dalen Terry over Troy Brown Jr
5. Added veteran presence and insurance point guard (which we didn’t have last season) in Goran Dragic
6. Returning players now more experienced playing as a unit

Negatives:
1. Lonzo Ball health (big question mark)
2. Need a true rim protector
3. Need another big man shooter (Gallinari would have been a great fit but he’s not coming here)

Overall this is a better roster. Lonzo’s health I think is the biggest issue here but if he comes back healthy then the Bulls will be tough to beat again.

Reaching the Finals?How can this roster beat the Bucks,Heat or Sixers in a playoff series?
Can't happen

Well, unless the team they face is missing their starting PG along with their best player like Butler or Giannis playing on one leg. But that could never happen in the NBA.

Hahaha I'm sure if in some strange realm that was to occurr and the Bulls somehow won it all there would be a segment of Bulls fans who would put an asterisk next to that title win and still be miserable about it all.

2weekswithpay · Post #476 » by **2weekswithpay** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 2:22 pm

sco wrote:What team are you guys rooting for him to go to? I'm thinking BOS or TOR...I'm of the feeling that KD might actually weaken both teams, or at least shorten their contention windows.

I'd prefer for KD to be out of the conference.

SfBull · Post #477 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 5:17 pm

sco wrote:What team are you guys rooting for him to go to? I'm thinking BOS or TOR...I'm of the feeling that KD might actually weaken both teams, or at least shorten their contention windows.

I´m rooting for him to go for the Heat helping Jimmy to win his first ring.

SfBull · Post #478 » by **SfBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 5:20 pm

BullChit wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
SfBull wrote:Reaching the Finals?How can this roster beat the Bucks,Heat or Sixers in a playoff series?
Can't happen

Well, unless the team they face is missing their starting PG along with their best player like Butler or Giannis playing on one leg. But that could never happen in the NBA.

Hahaha I'm sure if in some strange realm that was to occurr and the Bulls somehow won it all there would be a segment of Bulls fans who would put an asterisk next to that title win and still be miserable about it all.

You´re talking about things that won´t happen,especially the Bulls winning a title.24 years and counting.

sco · Post #479 » by **sco** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 5:25 pm

SfBull wrote:
sco wrote:What team are you guys rooting for him to go to? I'm thinking BOS or TOR...I'm of the feeling that KD might actually weaken both teams, or at least shorten their contention windows.

I´m rooting for him to go for the Heat helping Jimmy to win his first ring.

I'd be ok as long as it cost them Bam and shortened their timeline. I think Jimmy/KD would be a 1 and done relationship...those dudes seem like a bad personality fit. Jimmy is a "vocal leader" and KD is a sensitive dude.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #480 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 7:30 pm

sco wrote:
SfBull wrote:
sco wrote:What team are you guys rooting for him to go to? I'm thinking BOS or TOR...I'm of the feeling that KD might actually weaken both teams, or at least shorten their contention windows.

I´m rooting for him to go for the Heat helping Jimmy to win his first ring.

I'd be ok as long as it cost them Bam and shortened their timeline. I think Jimmy/KD would be a 1 and done relationship...those dudes seem like a bad personality fit. Jimmy is a "vocal leader" and KD is a sensitive dude.

I wouldn't be ok with that. I want him to end up literally anywhere but Miami. I can't stomach them putting together another superteam.