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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#701 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:30 pm

Brunson = Eisley

Does RJ = Shandon Anderson?

Hartenstein definitely Travis Knight
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Post#702 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:31 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Mavs owning us of course by signing Sexton, the much better guard, instead.


The Mavs are signing Sexton? Have a link?
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#703 » by Kampuchea » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:33 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Mavs owning us of course by signing Sexton, the much better guard, instead.


The Mavs signed Sexton?

1) We need a PG, not turnover machine Sexton
2) Nobody can sign him, he must be traded for with a significant asset. No thanks
3) Sexton just had an injury
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#704 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:33 pm

Fury wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
Fury wrote:
The Mavs were 8-9 without Luka last season


You’ve really got the sample sizes down. You won’t convince me. We’ll agree to disagree.

I watched both of them play a lot. Sexton has been game planned against and proven more as a lead guard. He’s two years younger and clearly more talented. Brunson will soon fade into mediocrity.


The numbers disagree with you (KDOT posted their numbers without Doncic and Garlans) but do you.


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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Brunson > Sexton

Here's an interesting point of comparison

Brunson w/out Luka vs Sexton w/out Garland, because while Garland isn't as ball-dominant as Luka, when he was off the floor, Sexton was the guy. Of course, using 2021 stats since Sexton missed most of last year with injury. All stats being per36, of course

Sexton with Garland, for comparison:

24/3/4 on 50/39/84 splits, .589 TS, 3.7:3.0 A:TO ratio

Sexton w/out Garland:

25.5/3/5 on 45/35.5/80 splits, .550 TS , 5.2:2.6 A:TO ratio

Brunson w/out Luka:

22/5/7 on 50/32/82 splits, .565 TS, 7.4:2.3 A:TO ratio


After all, Sexton clearly is the better scorer to put next to Doncic, which was the original point made. He’s an upgrade over Brunson for them and we could use his scoring punch next to RJ too. If you don’t want to believe it because it’s so bitter, you’ll have to wait and see it next year.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#705 » by stuporman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:37 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson is Howard Eisley now? I thought I had seen every variation by the self hating Knick fan, but this one might be tops.


Duhon > Brunson

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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#706 » by robillionaire » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:38 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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spree2kawhi wrote:In 18 Games? That’s great, wow. Good for him. Wasn’t that even a contract year? That’s convenient.

As I pointed out, Sexton averaged 24.3 over 60 games, 20 over 218 games, is more than two years younger, much more suited to playing off Doncic and, speaking of which, never actually benefited from playing off Doncic yet.


his team never had 24.3 wins in a season with him on it (19, 19, and 22). The team was losing. He was scoring a lot of points in tank losses. Brunson was winning playoff series

24.3 ppg. Crazy, right? The Cavs are rebuilding and if you remove Doncic you could count on the Dallas Brunsons faring even worse than those Cavs teams.


Ok well if you put Luka on those Cavs teams Sexton doesn’t ever lay a finger on the ball
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#707 » by stuporman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:40 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson = Eisley

Does RJ = Shandon Anderson?

Randle = Weatherspoon?

Hartenstein definitely Travis Knight


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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#708 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:41 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:
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his team never had 24.3 wins in a season with him on it (19, 19, and 22). The team was losing. He was scoring a lot of points in tank losses. Brunson was winning playoff series

24.3 ppg. Crazy, right? The Cavs are rebuilding and if you remove Doncic you could count on the Dallas Brunsons faring even worse than those Cavs teams.


Ok well if you put Luka on those Cavs teams Sexton doesn’t ever lay a finger on the ball

Luka unleashes him then. Assuming Brunson has been unleashed by him, that’s a scary thought.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#709 » by Fury » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:42 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Fury wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
You’ve really got the sample sizes down. You won’t convince me. We’ll agree to disagree.

I watched both of them play a lot. Sexton has been game planned against and proven more as a lead guard. He’s two years younger and clearly more talented. Brunson will soon fade into mediocrity.


The numbers disagree with you (KDOT posted their numbers without Doncic and Garlans) but do you.


DOT wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Brunson > Sexton

Here's an interesting point of comparison

Brunson w/out Luka vs Sexton w/out Garland, because while Garland isn't as ball-dominant as Luka, when he was off the floor, Sexton was the guy. Of course, using 2021 stats since Sexton missed most of last year with injury. All stats being per36, of course

Sexton with Garland, for comparison:

24/3/4 on 50/39/84 splits, .589 TS, 3.7:3.0 A:TO ratio

Sexton w/out Garland:

25.5/3/5 on 45/35.5/80 splits, .550 TS , 5.2:2.6 A:TO ratio

Brunson w/out Luka:

22/5/7 on 50/32/82 splits, .565 TS, 7.4:2.3 A:TO ratio


After all, Sexton clearly is the better scorer to put next to Doncic, which was the original point made. He’s an upgrade over Brunson for them and we could use his scoring punch next to RJ too. If you don’t want to believe it because it’s so bitter, you’ll have to wait and see it next year.


Now do Brunson w/Luka’s TS%

Brunson without Luka > Sexton without Garland

Hence you can’t read

And Brunson is also a better passer and turns it over less and a better defender.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#710 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:43 pm

stuporman wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson = Eisley

Does RJ = Shandon Anderson?

Randle = Weatherspoon?

Hartenstein definitely Travis Knight


Left one out so I fify

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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#711 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:45 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson = Eisley

Does RJ = Shandon Anderson?

Hartenstein definitely Travis Knight


Eisley was basura. The proper boogeyman for Brunson is Felton.

SA for RJ is brutal though :lol: I would put Hartenstein as Jared Jeffries.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#712 » by DOT » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:48 pm

Fury wrote:Now do Brunson w/Luka’s TS%

per36:

15/4/3.5 on 51/42/86 splits, .609 TS, 3.5:1.3 A:TO ratio

Brunson had lower numbers, higher efficiency, but again, Luka is much more ball dominant than Garland

Also, both shot 40% on c&s jumpers in the years I posted

And Brunson is better on defense with a much better A:TO ratio of just under 3 compared to just over 1 for Sexton as the secondary ball handler.
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Post#713 » by stuporman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:53 pm

Someone might be the better individual player but that doesn't make him better for the Knicks....especially when we are talking about the PG position.

The Knicks have had a particular problem with stabilizing the PG spot for a very long time and it will take a particular type of person and player to resolve that.
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Post#714 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:53 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
stuporman wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson = Eisley

Does RJ = Shandon Anderson?

Randle = Weatherspoon?

Hartenstein definitely Travis Knight


Left one out so I fify

Our record may be similar to the Layden Knicks’ records.


Except for this team being clearly better. Which isn't saying much.
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Post#715 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:59 pm

DOT wrote:
Fury wrote:Now do Brunson w/Luka’s TS%

per36:

15/4/3.5 on 51/42/86 splits, .609 TS, 3.5:1.3 A:TO ratio

Brunson had lower numbers, higher efficiency, but again, Luka is much more ball dominant than Garland

Also, both shot 40% on c&s jumpers in the years I posted

And Brunson is better on defense with a much better A:TO ratio of just under 3 compared to just over 1 for Sexton as the secondary ball handler.


Ultimately, Brunson’s ceiling looks much like Sexton’s floor and if Dallas replace one with the other, they upgrade their off-guard position big time in terms of scoring.

Denying that level of talent is never going to end well.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#716 » by robillionaire » Tue Jul 5, 2022 9:59 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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spree2kawhi wrote:24.3 ppg. Crazy, right? The Cavs are rebuilding and if you remove Doncic you could count on the Dallas Brunsons faring even worse than those Cavs teams.


Ok well if you put Luka on those Cavs teams Sexton doesn’t ever lay a finger on the ball

Luka unleashes him then. Assuming Brunson has been unleashed by him, that’s a scary thought.


Brunson was leashed until Luka got injured because Luka has one of the highest usage rates in NBA history. And there was a point brunson had scored more points than anybody else in the playoffs until Luka came back. And even then Brunson had the 7th most points in the playoffs behind Tatum,Brown,Steph,Klay,Luka and Butler

My point being Sexton wouldn’t have had the same opportunity to have the ball to have such a high usage rate to enable him to score 24.3 ppg. Maybe it helps his efficiency numbers

Brunson was recently beating the jazz in the playoffs without Luka so I’m not chalking up all his success to Luka
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#717 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Jul 5, 2022 10:00 pm

stuporman wrote:Someone might be the better individual player but that doesn't make him better for the Knicks....especially when we are talking about the PG position.

The Knicks have had a particular problem with stabilizing the PG spot for a very long time and it will take a particular type of person and player to resolve that.

I said Dallas upgrade their position. We could have needed that type of scoring too though.
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Post#718 » by stuporman » Tue Jul 5, 2022 10:03 pm

Sexton on the Knicks with Randle still on the team is a disaster...that's a Isiah Thomas level move if it means giving up assets to get him which it will cost to do.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#719 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Jul 5, 2022 10:03 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
DOT wrote:
Fury wrote:Now do Brunson w/Luka’s TS%

per36:

15/4/3.5 on 51/42/86 splits, .609 TS, 3.5:1.3 A:TO ratio

Brunson had lower numbers, higher efficiency, but again, Luka is much more ball dominant than Garland

Also, both shot 40% on c&s jumpers in the years I posted

And Brunson is better on defense with a much better A:TO ratio of just under 3 compared to just over 1 for Sexton as the secondary ball handler.


Ultimately, Brunson’s ceiling looks much like Sexton’s floor and if Dallas replace one with the other, they upgrade their off-guard position big time in terms of scoring.

Denying that level of talent is never going to end well.

What is the Mav's path to getting Sexton?

As far as I can see, you're upset about something that hasn't even happened.
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Re: Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal 

Post#720 » by Kampuchea » Tue Jul 5, 2022 10:03 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
DOT wrote:
Fury wrote:Now do Brunson w/Luka’s TS%

per36:

15/4/3.5 on 51/42/86 splits, .609 TS, 3.5:1.3 A:TO ratio

Brunson had lower numbers, higher efficiency, but again, Luka is much more ball dominant than Garland

Also, both shot 40% on c&s jumpers in the years I posted

And Brunson is better on defense with a much better A:TO ratio of just under 3 compared to just over 1 for Sexton as the secondary ball handler.


Ultimately, Brunson’s ceiling looks much like Sexton’s floor and if Dallas replace one with the other, they upgrade their off-guard position big time in terms of scoring.

Denying that level of talent is never going to end well.


How is Sexton being worse defensively and TERRIBLE with turnovers just being glossed over?
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