Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[GTR11]

I've been a Pro Ingram fan for possible trade return package....

would be stellar to get him and Jaylen Brown in return for such a scenario.

Ingram raised his level of play and actually started to see entire floor. With good coaching i think he can and will improve. With all that said, NyCeEvo made me look up Herb Jones. Damn that kid going to be a problem for years to come. He has some serious upside imo.

I made my mind. I want that NOP trade to happen. I don't care if KD and Kyrie give us a better chance right now for couple years. I want to build dynasty team for years to come. Ben, Ingram, Herb etc will give us a chance. I'm on board for NOP trade.

Imagine a defensive trio of Simmons, Jones, and (hopefully) Myles Turner.

And I think Jones has a massive ceiling on offense as well. He reminds me of Kawhi, whose initial claim to fame was as an “LeBron stopper”. The sky is the limit for Jones imo. You just have to hope he’s developed right.

No doubt, i think coach like Snyder or Borrega can do wonders with them kids. We will retool on the fly and some can actually make a case we got better. I mean KD health alone already enough for me, add the fact he's mental midget and I'm not even going to debate it.

[MrDollarBills]

Would KD be happy with that deal? I don't think NOLA would have enough left behind to compete.

I mean, this is literally the case with every trade scenario. The team who trades for KD will be left with roster holes and their future compromised.

This is what he wants though. Marks should already have made the call to New Orleans.

[MrDollarBills]

Ingram is a beast.

We need scoring if Ky/KD leave and BI fits the bill.

I'd take Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram in a heartbeat over MIA/PHX/Raps offer.

MIA/PHX/TOR aren't offering any players of all star level, so honestly the discussions surrounding them should end. Raptors don't even want to give up Barnes, they're out.

[3pt_chucker]

I'm glad people here are warming up to Ingram as the ideal get. Since the trade request came in and looking at the roster, I thought he'd be a great fit next to Simmons and shooters (Harris, O'neal, Seth, now add in Warren).

I don't think they would give up Nance and Herb Jones, so it'd be one or the other. I'd ask for Jones and Nance is much more win now player to keep next to KD. The deal could be:

Ingram + Jones + Daniels + filler(Marshall/Snell) + 4 unprotected FRPs('23 NO, '24 via LAL, '24 via MIL, '25 NO) + 3 swaps ('26, '27, 28').

NO might try to haggle picks, but this still leaves them with FRPs that they can use.

Now the Nets can use some of these assets + whatever from a Kyrie trade(FRP) to get players to fill out roster. I'd throw a FRP(+ Cam/Sharpe if need be) at Indiana for Turner.

Simmons | Mills
Harris | Curry
Ingram | Warren
Jones | O'neal | Kessler
Turner | Claxton

Elite defensive team with shooting but lacks dynamic shot creation. Would probably in the 4-8 seed range depending on injuries with the Sizers, Raptors, Bulls, Cavs)

Still have assets to get another Guard or even see what ATL wants for John Collins.

This would be a nice soft reset with lots of room to grow and plenty of assets to make a big move later down the line.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Look at the latest from Winfield
https://archive.ph/yjbZE

Seems more and more likely that the Nets might keep KD.

I like others like the NO offer. But it just seems unrealistic to me that KD would be willing to go there to play with CJ and an unreliable Zion. It doesn't at all seem like a contender to me.

If we go this route, we need to keep making improvements to the roster. MLE must be used wisely.

I also agree that resigning Brown didn't make sense with Simmons on the team.

Whos left that would fit well on this roster?

[MrDollarBills]

I'm honestly over the Toronto deal.

Raptors fans are overrating Scottie Barnes like hes the next Kawhi Leonard. No thanks.

If youre not including him I don't even want to discuss with you. Hes not even the best rookie in his class.

As others have noted, New Orleans is probably the best option if Boston doesn't put Brown on the table.

They could end up offering Ingram, Nance and 7 or 8 picks. A historic haul which would actually be worth of trading KD for.

You give me Ingram, Simmons, Nance and a ton of picks now were talking about a playoff team. Who knows how good Ingram can get too.

Lakers could also bottom out if LeBron leaves giving us a great pick.

Now would New Orleans really be a contender in the West with KD, Zion, CJ? Absolutely not lol. That teams not beating the Warriors or Clippers.

But KD is too stupid to realize how good he has it. Good luck in Louisiana. Better than Canada for sure.

Yeah Raptor fans are fairly deluded, they think that the Nets -have- to trade Durant and if we do, it will be for Gary Trent, OG and two heavily protected picks.

But yeah, KD is a moron. I've never seen a player basically set himself up for a downfall like Durant is. The Nets just resigned Kessler, and are now loaded with wings/shooters. the only needs remaining are a back up C that can shoot and another ball handling guard. He's not going to find a better situation around the league via trade.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What do you guys think about Juancho Hernangomez?

Hes a shooting big who could fit well with the roster.

I think he is the ideal target for the MLE if need be. Or perhaps for a vet min.

Montrezl Harrell is another guy I wouldn't mind bringing on for some size and offense on the bench.

[CalamityX12]

Id do a package centered around Ingram in a heartbeat. The guy just has it, hes got that dog in him and he's constantly adding to his game. His scoring kind of levelled off this past season but he made improvements to his defense and passing.

I doubt KD or New Orleans would sign off on that though, I mean pairing KD with a Zion whos a massive health risk? That's a step backwards from KDs situation on the Nets.

I'm still optimistic on a Clippers trade. PG, 2 of their young wings and picks would be a nice return.

I thought the Pels were tanking until I saw them trade for CJ McCollum. To me it was a sign that they actually want to progress and not wallow until they draft several high lotto picks.

IIRC, KD is buddies with Willie Green, so that could help too.

Not buddies enough to bring him in as HC

[TheNetsFan]

NOLA has all of their own picks, plus:

Swap rights with the Lakers in 2023
The Lakers 2024 pick (possibly post-LeBron)
Swap rights with Milwaukee in 2024 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2025 if top 4 (likely worthless)
Swap Rights with Milwaukee in 2026 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2027

[MrDollarBills]

What do you guys think about Juancho Hernangomez?

Hes a shooting big who could fit well with the roster.

I think he is the ideal target for the MLE if need be. Or perhaps for a vet min.

Montrezl Harrell is another guy I wouldn't mind bringing on for some size and offense on the bench.

Trezz might end up in one of Kentucky's hot ass state penitentiaries for his little drug trafficking excursion last month

I think Hernangomez is a good idea. He's a career 35% 3 point shooter. We need to get some size that can hit open shots.

[MrDollarBills]

NOLA has all of their own picks, plus:

Swap rights with the Lakers in 2023
The Lakers 2024 pick (possibly post-LeBron)
Swap rights with Milwaukee in 2024 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2025 if top 4 (likely worthless)
Swap Rights with Milwaukee in 2026 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2027

Give me BI, Jones, Nance, Lakers 2024 pick, + two Nola future 1sts and KD can go rot in Louisiana for the rest of his career.

[N Ireland Nets]

Here are my top 3 offers for KD.

1. Celtics- Jaylen Brown, Smart, and two First Rounders plus pick swaps.

2. New Orleans- Ingram, Nance and five first rounders plus pick swaps

3. Toronto- Scottie Barnes, Siakim and four first rounders plus pick swaps

Outside of those offers I'm not interest in anything.

Boston, New Orleans and Toronto can worry about convincing KD to be happy there. Not my problem.

I'll just respond to this from a Toronto point of view.

It both makes no sense for Toronto to offer that and it also makes no sense for Brooklyn to settle. A stalemate.

When you look at it KD is basically a highly valuable but almost impossible trade asset (in the fact in how much risk there is to trade for him). He's an Superstar type player with ? superstar type years left, age 33 with an coming off a major injury and wasn't completely healthy last year. He also has the baggage as well with the Kyrie fasco.

He's on a 4 year contract but that's pretty much worth squat if he refuses to play or wants to be traded. Whomever he gets traded to will also be in the current Nets situation but worse if he doesn't want to be there and also probably have 0 future if they gut their team and picks for him.

The only real team I see for him is Brooklyn tbh.

KD's biggest flaw in all of this is putting all his eggs into the Kyrie basket. Kyrie already proved how unpredictable and volatile he is with the whole covid ordeal. Like if KD was best friends with literally any other player none of this happens. He just happened to be friends with the player that drives teams crazy.

good post. I pretty much agree with you. I can understand viewing Siakam and Barnes as excessive along with all the picks as excessive and passing. Siakam is a younger all-nba player and without him or any picks to add players that team probably isn't championship level. it's not wildly unfair but it doesn't make sense for Toronto.

I do think a trade around Barnes/OG/GTJ/picks is fair, to the point that i'd probably handicap it as the most likely outcome right now since we're approaching the drop dead date on Ayton being relevant to the talks seemingly without any momentum with Phoenix.

OG took a step back (imo) last year and is heading for an extension that he may or may not prove to be worth it. With Thad, Siakam, and Porter I don't see you guys missing him much. You already have depth at center. With KD and FVV that's a championship team with the depth to not allow KD to get beat up the way he was here.

Barnes/KD will hurt like Kawhi/Derozan but in the end i think it's similarly the right decision. It opens a 2-3 year window as a championship favorite.

I seriously think OG, Barnes with salary filler to make the deal work financially with picks would help both franchises get what they want. Nets get talent with upside while Raptors get a superstar for the next 4 seasons to give them a really good window to go for it all.

[NyCeEvO]

Id do a package centered around Ingram in a heartbeat. The guy just has it, hes got that dog in him and he's constantly adding to his game. His scoring kind of levelled off this past season but he made improvements to his defense and passing.

I doubt KD or New Orleans would sign off on that though, I mean pairing KD with a Zion whos a massive health risk? That's a step backwards from KDs situation on the Nets.

I'm still optimistic on a Clippers trade. PG, 2 of their young wings and picks would be a nice return.

I thought the Pels were tanking until I saw them trade for CJ McCollum. To me it was a sign that they actually want to progress and not wallow until they draft several high lotto picks.

IIRC, KD is buddies with Willie Green, so that could help too.

Not buddies enough to bring him in as HC

Willie was hired as an assistant coach with Phoenix before KD and Kyrie signed, so we don’t know that yet.

[NyCeEvO]

What do you guys think about Juancho Hernangomez?

Hes a shooting big who could fit well with the roster.

I think he is the ideal target for the MLE if need be. Or perhaps for a vet min.

Montrezl Harrell is another guy I wouldn't mind bringing on for some size and offense on the bench.

The main problem with Harrell is that he becomes unplayable in the playoffs.

[Netaman]

I'll just respond to this from a Toronto point of view.

It both makes no sense for Toronto to offer that and it also makes no sense for Brooklyn to settle. A stalemate.

When you look at it KD is basically a highly valuable but almost impossible trade asset (in the fact in how much risk there is to trade for him). He's an Superstar type player with ? superstar type years left, age 33 with an coming off a major injury and wasn't completely healthy last year. He also has the baggage as well with the Kyrie fasco.

He's on a 4 year contract but that's pretty much worth squat if he refuses to play or wants to be traded. Whomever he gets traded to will also be in the current Nets situation but worse if he doesn't want to be there and also probably have 0 future if they gut their team and picks for him.

The only real team I see for him is Brooklyn tbh.

KD's biggest flaw in all of this is putting all his eggs into the Kyrie basket. Kyrie already proved how unpredictable and volatile he is with the whole covid ordeal. Like if KD was best friends with literally any other player none of this happens. He just happened to be friends with the player that drives teams crazy.

good post. I pretty much agree with you. I can understand viewing Siakam and Barnes as excessive along with all the picks as excessive and passing. Siakam is a younger all-nba player and without him or any picks to add players that team probably isn't championship level. it's not wildly unfair but it doesn't make sense for Toronto.

I do think a trade around Barnes/OG/GTJ/picks is fair, to the point that i'd probably handicap it as the most likely outcome right now since we're approaching the drop dead date on Ayton being relevant to the talks seemingly without any momentum with Phoenix.

OG took a step back (imo) last year and is heading for an extension that he may or may not prove to be worth it. With Thad, Siakam, and Porter I don't see you guys missing him much. You already have depth at center. With KD and FVV that's a championship team with the depth to not allow KD to get beat up the way he was here.

Barnes/KD will hurt like Kawhi/Derozan but in the end i think it's similarly the right decision. It opens a 2-3 year window as a championship favorite.

I seriously think OG, Barnes with salary filler to make the deal work financially with picks would help both franchises get what they want. Nets get talent with upside while Raptors get a superstar for the next 4 seasons to give them a really good window to go for it all.

yeah i mean if phoenix doesn't happen soon an Ayton signs somewhere Toronto and NO become the 2 viable options around either Barnes or Ingram. Do the Nets make a gamble that those deals will always be there even in season and hope that KD comes around with a better group around him? I don't know. Maybe? It's risky because if he gets hurt they may not be able to get Barnes/Ingram if either gets offered now.

[Saciid11]

Raptors fans remain delusional as always. Not even Danny Ainge would pass up Barnes for KD. Who the hell is Barnes, you gotta add in 3 picks before you can even put the guy in the same sentence as KD.

It's also worth mentioning that Barnes is uncommonly ugly. I watch basketball for the beauty of the game and not it's participants, but 82 game of looking at Barnes face would make me question my fandom.

I think the only fan base that are delusional are Nets fans who tried twice in their franchise history to buy a title. Look Raptors management is not Timberwolves management or Nets management that literally gave up decade of draft picks for the corpse of Paul Pierce & KG ...and again gave up huge boatload if draft picks for half season of Harden... Masai is not trading Barnes and there is absolutely no grantee Durant carries Raptors to title like Kawhi. Durant hasn't done **** with loaded OKC and Nets with Harden& Kyrie ... No thanks

Just take Suns deal ... Bridges & fillers + multiple draft picks ...

[Saciid11]

good post. I pretty much agree with you. I can understand viewing Siakam and Barnes as excessive along with all the picks as excessive and passing. Siakam is a younger all-nba player and without him or any picks to add players that team probably isn't championship level. it's not wildly unfair but it doesn't make sense for Toronto.

I do think a trade around Barnes/OG/GTJ/picks is fair, to the point that i'd probably handicap it as the most likely outcome right now since we're approaching the drop dead date on Ayton being relevant to the talks seemingly without any momentum with Phoenix.

OG took a step back (imo) last year and is heading for an extension that he may or may not prove to be worth it. With Thad, Siakam, and Porter I don't see you guys missing him much. You already have depth at center. With KD and FVV that's a championship team with the depth to not allow KD to get beat up the way he was here.

Barnes/KD will hurt like Kawhi/Derozan but in the end i think it's similarly the right decision. It opens a 2-3 year window as a championship favorite.

I seriously think OG, Barnes with salary filler to make the deal work financially with picks would help both franchises get what they want. Nets get talent with upside while Raptors get a superstar for the next 4 seasons to give them a really good window to go for it all.

yeah i mean if phoenix doesn't happen soon an Ayton signs somewhere Toronto and NO become the 2 viable options around either Barnes or Ingram. Do the Nets make a gamble that those deals will always be there even in season and hope that KD comes around with a better group around him? I don't know. Maybe? It's risky because if he gets hurt they may not be able to get Barnes/Ingram if either gets offered now.

Barnes is getting traded and highly doubt NOH are giving up 24 year old all star who just came off season he carried his team to playoff while averaging 25ppg ... Keep Durant on the bench for season and then trade him for late first rounder ..

[TheNetsFan]

NOLA has all of their own picks, plus:

Swap rights with the Lakers in 2023
The Lakers 2024 pick (possibly post-LeBron)
Swap rights with Milwaukee in 2024 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2025 if top 4 (likely worthless)
Swap Rights with Milwaukee in 2026 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2027

Give me BI, Jones, Nance, Lakers 2024 pick, + two Nola future 1sts and KD can go rot in Louisiana for the rest of his career.

I'm greedy. I also want Dyson Daniels, the 2023 NOLA/LA pick (unprotected) & swaps. Let's say '23 NOLA/LA, '24 LA, '26 NOLA, '28 NOLA). They can keep Jones (who I believe was the reason for KD's injury this year).

[GTR11]

I'm honestly over the Toronto deal.

Raptors fans are overrating Scottie Barnes like hes the next Kawhi Leonard. No thanks.

If youre not including him I don't even want to discuss with you. Hes not even the best rookie in his class.

As others have noted, New Orleans is probably the best option if Boston doesn't put Brown on the table.

They could end up offering Ingram, Nance and 7 or 8 picks. A historic haul which would actually be worth of trading KD for.

You give me Ingram, Simmons, Nance and a ton of picks now were talking about a playoff team. Who knows how good Ingram can get too.

Lakers could also bottom out if LeBron leaves giving us a great pick.

Now would New Orleans really be a contender in the West with KD, Zion, CJ? Absolutely not lol. That teams not beating the Warriors or Clippers.

But KD is too stupid to realize how good he has it. Good luck in Louisiana. Better than Canada for sure.

Yeah Raptor fans are fairly deluded, they think that the Nets -have- to trade Durant and if we do, it will be for Gary Trent, OG and two heavily protected picks.

But yeah, KD is a moron. I've never seen a player basically set himself up for a downfall like Durant is. The Nets just resigned Kessler, and are now loaded with wings/shooters. the only needs remaining are a back up C that can shoot and another ball handling guard. He's not going to find a better situation around the league via trade.

Let me just chip in here with couple thoughts i held to my own. I honestly believe most have this in their mind too.

Lets look at this roster and see what really missing here. Most definitely strong leadership to take us over the hump. I mean look at these two clowns, didn't we just see how they folded once little pressure been applied. As Barkley said, this team just don't have that dog mentality in them. None of them do, Ben? I'm not really familiar with him off the court news wise, but there's definitely issues, Joe he aint that, Seth lol and that's every single one of them.

Look at Bucks. They legit as it gets. Giannis is Adrian Peterson in his prime. This dude running through walls and than giving them some. Khris, he ain't scared and won't back down, he gave us some legit business. Jrue he's a dog will get dirty.

Saltics have Smart. That crazy bum is an enforcer. Brown, he ain't backing down. He's Khris type player. T.Will is dog, Al is a dog, you can punk Tatum but he has all the help in the world.

I went at it with Prok a lot last year when it came to Miami. I clearly understood what he ment when he talked about their culture. That team is filled with bullies, only Bam is fair weather guy, but he will give you business if you fall a sleep on him.

Any of you believe this cupcakes stand a chance vs them 3. I sure don't, and won't hold my breath there. All that without mentioning Philthy, Cavs, ATL etc who will come to test us. Word is out, these bums ain't that. Curry made it known.

Man this is only EC, i ain't even started talking about WC. GSW, Grizz, LAC etc all them will bust our ass and than some.

I think we wasting our time here with these two clowns. I slept on it and i tried to think all things out, i just don't believe in these two clowns at all. I so tired i don't want to even think about them. And this is suppose to be a hobby i should be enjoying like rest of us. We deserve better.

[mademan]

NOLA has all of their own picks, plus:

Swap rights with the Lakers in 2023
The Lakers 2024 pick (possibly post-LeBron)
Swap rights with Milwaukee in 2024 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2025 if top 4 (likely worthless)
Swap Rights with Milwaukee in 2026 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2027

Give me BI, Jones, Nance, Lakers 2024 pick, + two Nola future 1sts and KD can go rot in Louisiana for the rest of his career.

I'm greedy. I also want Dyson Daniels, the 2023 NOLA/LA pick (unprotected) & swaps. Let's say '23 NOLA/LA, '24 LA, '26 NOLA, '28 NOLA). They can keep Jones (who I believe was the reason for KD's injury this year).

I think the best trade is Ingram/Daniels/2 1st rounders. Star, high upside lotto guard with 2 future 1st rounders leaves this

Simmons
Curry
Daniels
Ingram
Claxton

Lineup where everyone besides Curry is <25, they can challenge for the playoffs and they have 2 future 1st rounders as well. Im not sure i'd do more as the Pel's and im not even sure i do this. Pelicans really gotta see what they have with Zion first before they start making big trades. This should be an evaluation season for them. Check out Daniels, see how Herb progresses, see if Ingram has another step to him and see what Zion's got. Then you can decide what the all in trade would look like