We finna get Kyrie-d

Pointgod · Post #141 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 11:59 pm

I’m old enough to remember when we were in discussions for Paul George and the common argument was that we didn’t want to trade assets for him when we could sign him in the off season. I don’t see the point in absolutely burning our assets for Kyrie of all players when we can literally sign him in the offseason and he’s not worth trading a single pick for.

Again we’re in a much better position next off season to trade for a superstar AND sign Kyrie if we wanted to. You don’t empty the clip for Kyrie **** Irving of all people who’s proven that he can’t stay healthy and is unreliable. There’s literally zero argument to trade for Kyrie unless you just want Westbrook of the team and there aren’t any picks going back the other way.

MAMBAEMD · Post #142 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 11:59 pm

TylersLakers wrote:The Spurs were mentioned by Woj today as a 3rd team and lots of chatter around salaries in Brooklyn. The only trade I can see happening there is:

To Lakers: Irving, Harris
To Nets: THT, Josh Richardson, Nunn, x2 2nd round picks from LAL
To Spurs: Reaves, Westbrook, 2027 1st (Top 3 Protected) from LAL.

The Nets save $27.8M in salary, get a couple second round picks and some valuable players.
The Spurs get Reaves (seems like a real Spurs-y type player) and a 2027 1st for taking on Westbrooks salary
The Lakers get Irving and Joe Harris. They also SAVE $8.5M. Kinda matters to this organization apparently.

Irving/Walker/
Harris/Christie/
LeBron/Brown/Stanley
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Bryant/Jones/

If that happened, I'm sure they'd sign a veteran guard. I could see Bledsoe coming on board (Klutch). Maybe you promote Swider or Pippen Jr. to the big club with a standard NBA contract. Jeremy Lamb is still out there - a veteran who could fill a roster spot and hit some open shots. If we gave up a 2nd first round pick.. could we also get Curry?

So we get Kyrie and Harris and lose THT, Nunn, Westbrook, Reeves, two 2nd rounders, and one 2027 FRP in this scenario?

Feels like too much to give up. It may be what it takes but it's too much.
I'd try to keep Nunn and/or Reeves.

We'd also need a 3 and D guy either in the trade or through FA.

Ball so hard · Post #143 » by **Ball so hard** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:10 am

I’m not sure it makes much sense to trade 3 picks plus THT for Kyrie and Harris. This just reeks desperation. This is the kind of trade, couple with Lebron bolting for nothing, that can set a team back for a very long time. Kyrie’s talent is undeniable. However, there are plenty of well documented red flags. Let’s not forget that the Nets are as desperate as we are to get rid of a player that no one wants. We’re essentially trading one expiring for another expiring, albeit for one that has on court value. Nets also benefit from dumping Harris’s contract. At most I’d offer 1 pick.

Ball so hard · Post #144 » by **Ball so hard** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:14 am

lakerRD wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:The Spurs were mentioned by Woj today as a 3rd team and lots of chatter around salaries in Brooklyn. The only trade I can see happening there is:

To Lakers: Irving, Harris
To Nets: THT, Josh Richardson, Nunn, x2 2nd round picks from LAL
To Spurs: Reaves, Westbrook, 2027 1st (Top 3 Protected) from LAL.

The Nets save $27.8M in salary, get a couple second round picks and some valuable players.
The Spurs get Reaves (seems like a real Spurs-y type player) and a 2027 1st for taking on Westbrooks salary
The Lakers get Irving and Joe Harris. They also SAVE $8.5M. Kinda matters to this organization apparently.

Irving/Walker/
Harris/Christie/
LeBron/Brown/Stanley
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Bryant/Jones/

If that happened, I'm sure they'd sign a veteran guard. I could see Bledsoe coming on board (Klutch). Maybe you promote Swider or Pippen Jr. to the big club with a standard NBA contract. Jeremy Lamb is still out there - a veteran who could fill a roster spot and hit some open shots. If we gave up a 2nd first round pick.. could we also get Curry?

So we get Kyrie and Harris and lose THT, Nunn, Westbrook, Reeves, two 2nd rounders, and one 2027 FRP in this scenario?

Feels like too much to give up. It may be what it takes but it's too much.
I'd try to keep Nunn and/or Reeves.

We'd also need a 3 and D guy either in the trade or through FA.

With all due respect to TylersLakers, I think that’s an awful trade for us.

TylersLakers · Post #145 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 5:17 am

Ball so hard wrote:
lakerRD wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:The Spurs were mentioned by Woj today as a 3rd team and lots of chatter around salaries in Brooklyn. The only trade I can see happening there is:

To Lakers: Irving, Harris
To Nets: THT, Josh Richardson, Nunn, x2 2nd round picks from LAL
To Spurs: Reaves, Westbrook, 2027 1st (Top 3 Protected) from LAL.

The Nets save $27.8M in salary, get a couple second round picks and some valuable players.
The Spurs get Reaves (seems like a real Spurs-y type player) and a 2027 1st for taking on Westbrooks salary
The Lakers get Irving and Joe Harris. They also SAVE $8.5M. Kinda matters to this organization apparently.

Irving/Walker/
Harris/Christie/
LeBron/Brown/Stanley
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Bryant/Jones/

If that happened, I'm sure they'd sign a veteran guard. I could see Bledsoe coming on board (Klutch). Maybe you promote Swider or Pippen Jr. to the big club with a standard NBA contract. Jeremy Lamb is still out there - a veteran who could fill a roster spot and hit some open shots. If we gave up a 2nd first round pick.. could we also get Curry?

So we get Kyrie and Harris and lose THT, Nunn, Westbrook, Reeves, two 2nd rounders, and one 2027 FRP in this scenario?

Feels like too much to give up. It may be what it takes but it's too much.
I'd try to keep Nunn and/or Reeves.

We'd also need a 3 and D guy either in the trade or through FA.

With all due respect to TylersLakers, I think that’s an awful trade for us.

I could definitely see Nunn staying. I would hope we’d be able to keep Reaves. But if it truly does have to be a third team because Brooklyn is THAT concerned with lowering payroll.. the Spurs are going to want a lot. Hopefully a 1st with light protection is enough, but I’m not sure that happens.

Karmaloop · Post #146 » by **Karmaloop** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 5:51 am

TylersLakers wrote:The Spurs were mentioned by Woj today as a 3rd team and lots of chatter around salaries in Brooklyn. The only trade I can see happening there is:

To Lakers: Irving, Harris
To Nets: THT, Josh Richardson, Nunn, x2 2nd round picks from LAL
To Spurs: Reaves, Westbrook, 2027 1st (Top 3 Protected) from LAL.

The Nets save $27.8M in salary, get a couple second round picks and some valuable players.
The Spurs get Reaves (seems like a real Spurs-y type player) and a 2027 1st for taking on Westbrooks salary
The Lakers get Irving and Joe Harris. They also SAVE $8.5M. Kinda matters to this organization apparently.

Irving/Walker/
Harris/Christie/
LeBron/Brown/Stanley
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Bryant/Jones/

If that happened, I'm sure they'd sign a veteran guard. I could see Bledsoe coming on board (Klutch). Maybe you promote Swider or Pippen Jr. to the big club with a standard NBA contract. Jeremy Lamb is still out there - a veteran who could fill a roster spot and hit some open shots. If we gave up a 2nd first round pick.. could we also get Curry?

Simplify it. The more you add to it, the more unlikely it becomes.

Lakers Receive:
PG Kyrie Irving
SG Josh Richardson

Brooklyn Nets Receive:
NOTHING

San Antonio Spurs Receive:
PG Russell Westbrook

Add in the picks and incentives to make the deal work.

danfantastk32 · Post #147 » by **danfantastk32** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 6:00 am

Karmaloop wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:The Spurs were mentioned by Woj today as a 3rd team and lots of chatter around salaries in Brooklyn. The only trade I can see happening there is:

To Lakers: Irving, Harris
To Nets: THT, Josh Richardson, Nunn, x2 2nd round picks from LAL
To Spurs: Reaves, Westbrook, 2027 1st (Top 3 Protected) from LAL.

The Nets save $27.8M in salary, get a couple second round picks and some valuable players.
The Spurs get Reaves (seems like a real Spurs-y type player) and a 2027 1st for taking on Westbrooks salary
The Lakers get Irving and Joe Harris. They also SAVE $8.5M. Kinda matters to this organization apparently.

Irving/Walker/
Harris/Christie/
LeBron/Brown/Stanley
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Bryant/Jones/

If that happened, I'm sure they'd sign a veteran guard. I could see Bledsoe coming on board (Klutch). Maybe you promote Swider or Pippen Jr. to the big club with a standard NBA contract. Jeremy Lamb is still out there - a veteran who could fill a roster spot and hit some open shots. If we gave up a 2nd first round pick.. could we also get Curry?

Simplify it. The more you add to it, the more unlikely it becomes.

Lakers Receive:
PG Kyrie Irving
SG Josh Richardson

Brooklyn Nets Receive:
NOTHING

San Antonio Spurs Receive:
PG Russell Westbrook

Add in the picks and incentives to make the deal work.

Just know that Popp will ruin his squad before he helps the Lakers. He's proven that with Kawhi. And also remember that Popp demands the exact opposite philosophy to that of Westbricks. Your looking at oil and water with those two.

Stranger things......but I really don't see Westbrook playing for Popp

Post #148 » by **Slava** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 8:28 am

I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

Lakers24gm · Post #149 » by **Lakers24gm** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:48 pm

Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

This would result in Lakers taking on an additional 15 million in pay roll. As Much as I’d like to see it I just don’t see them willing to pay that much. I also think Turner is there target from Indiana and that Hield is just someone everyone assumes they would go after. That just a guess though.

SK21209 · Post #150 » by **SK21209** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 8:55 pm

Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

Obviously some perimeter defense concerns but yeah, I like this. I’d only add that I think Reaves would be the de facto backup point guard, in the minutes Kyrie is on the bench LeBron can just be the primary ball handler.

Post #151 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 9:35 pm

Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

Yeah, I think so too... I would have liked to find a way to bring Turner in also, but with all the mediocre Cs we brought in, it seems redundant...

But what about a 3 way that makes Brooklyn happier...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2mzqhxet

TylersLakers · Post #152 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 10:15 pm

Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

I'd go from extreme dislike of the Lakers front office the last 12 months to extreme happiness if this happened. This would make up for Caruso to me.

Beethoven · Post #153 » by **Beethoven** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 10:44 pm

We're getting kyrie. I'm in Vegas now.

tamaraw08 · Post #154 » by **tamaraw08** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:17 pm

Kilroy wrote:
Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

Yeah, I think so too... I would have liked to find a way to bring Turner in also, but with all the mediocre Cs we brought in, it seems redundant...

But what about a 3 way that makes Brooklyn happier...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2mzqhxet

That trade seems to be appealing to the Lakers and the Nets but Kyrie would need to pull a George Costanza in order for the Nets to be more motivated to talk to these teams faster and not take their time.
Not sure too if Indiana like to pay the incoming players for 2 more years, teams on a rebuild prefer picks.
The Jeannie tweet is also making me nervous. I think she would put a stop to any trades that will make her team pay players beyond this season and that includes good shooters like Hield

Vae Victus · Post #155 » by **Vae Victus** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:23 am

I'm just hoping Jeannie is just posturing her cheapness to go past a season as a way to not pay out of the nose in FRPs to get Kyrie. But if her true position is to NOT take ANY salary past next year, it severely handcuffs the Lakers in what they can take back.

Now i'm not a fan of paying Joe Harris 18mil, but if the outgoing deals is Westbrick, THT, and at most 1 PROTECTED 2027 FRP, for Kyrie and Harris, i'd be pretty happy. 2023 Harris 18mil expiring can be useful, and his shooting is always welcome on a Lebron centric team.

Post #156 » by **Slava** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 7:22 am

Kilroy wrote:
Slava wrote:I'm beginning to think there's two deals in the pipeline here:

1: Westbrook -> Kyrie + Filler
2. Nunn +THT -> Hield

The 2nd might be contingent on which of Harris or Curry is arriving in the Kyrie deal.

The defence might fare worse but this is the most shooting the Lakers have put around LeBron.

An ideal roster might look like this:

Bryant - Jones - Huff(?)
Davis - JTA - Gabriel
LeBron - Harris - Johnson
Hield - Walker - Reaves
Irving - Collison(?) - Pippen Jr.(?)

Yeah, I think so too... I would have liked to find a way to bring Turner in also, but with all the mediocre Cs we brought in, it seems redundant...

But what about a 3 way that makes Brooklyn happier...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2mzqhxet

Eric Pincus is reporting that Nets would much rather have a TPE than Westbrook and San Antonio might be roped in to be the facilitator to take and buy out Westbrook.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041325-san-antonio-spurs-may-hold-keys-to-a-kyrie-irving-russell-westbrook-trade

A trade might look like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2j8qlazo

and that would be the end of Buddy Hield to LA.

jrj202 · Post #157 » by **jrj202** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 7:40 am

Lakers receive: Kyrie Irving, Josh Richardson
Spurs receive: Russell Westbrook, 2027 1st (LAL)
Nets receive: 2029 1st (LAL), 2028 pick swap (LAL)

Would bring the Nets $13M under the luxury tax and give them a $36M TPE

Post #158 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:29 pm

jrj202 wrote:Lakers receive: Kyrie Irving, Josh Richardson
Spurs receive: Russell Westbrook, 2027 1st (LAL)
Nets receive: 2029 1st (LAL), 2028 pick swap (LAL)

Would bring the Nets $13M under the luxury tax and give them a $36M TPE

Not bad.
I just think it doesn't make sense for the Lakers to give up that many picks for a Kyrie rental, when he clearly is focused on coming here as a free agent anyway...

jrj202 · Post #159 » by **jrj202** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:32 pm

Kilroy wrote:
jrj202 wrote:Lakers receive: Kyrie Irving, Josh Richardson
Spurs receive: Russell Westbrook, 2027 1st (LAL)
Nets receive: 2029 1st (LAL), 2028 pick swap (LAL)

Would bring the Nets $13M under the luxury tax and give them a $36M TPE

Not bad.
I just think it doesn't make sense for the Lakers to give up that many picks for a Kyrie rental, when he clearly is focused on coming here as a free agent anyway...

The Lakers would still have a 1st in 2023 (NOP/LAL), 2024/2025 (whichever doesn't go to NOP), and 2026. A lot can change in a year as we saw with Kawhi Leonard and LeBron is going to be a free agent next summer. Windhorst also just leaked that LeBron "couldn't care less" about the Lakers 2029 1st round pick.

danfantastk32 · Post #160 » by **danfantastk32** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:51 pm

jrj202 wrote: Windhorst also just leaked that LeBron "couldn't care less" about the Lakers 2029 1st round pick.

Well good for him. I don't think Reggie Bush cared about the 2006 Trojans too much either.

This is too many picks. Westbrick sucks....but he's 1 more year. That has value. No other team is interested in Kyrie, as Kyrie is interested in no other team. Sorry, but we're the ones with leverage.....not the other way around. We're only screwing it up by being impatient. Kyrie would be an upgrade over Westbrook, but I doubt it's a title contender given our complete lack of depth, and AD's penchant for missing half a season. So stop giving away picks like their dinner mints.

If we have to wait, then Brooklyn gets to deal with an entire season of bad vibes, locker room cancer, etc etc. And it ends with them getting nothing. AND keeping a bad contract. WE"RE TAKING A BAD CONTRACT.....that aughta be enough. It's time the Lakers stopped getting bent over. Too impatient.