Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

Nick K · Post #241 » by **Nick K** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:28 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:
Nick K wrote:If we add anybody to the team it's got to be a PG. That said I still can't get J Mac's great play against Memphis playoffs out of my mind. He was fabulous.

dennis smith jr. is trying out for teams..schroder, rondo, bledsoe are viable options.

None of those guys do much for me. Some of those guys would demand too much money.

I don't know. I can't think of anybody I'm nuts about on a veteran minimum.

Nick K · Post #242 » by **Nick K** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:29 pm

shangrila wrote:
Nick K wrote:If we add anybody to the team it's got to be a PG. That said I still can't get J Mac's great play against Memphis playoffs out of my mind. He was fabulous.

I'd argue we need a C. Between JMac, Forbes, Nowell, hell even Moore, we've got enough players to man the guard spots. And if we need someone to run the offence we can use SloMo.

But relying on Reid for when KAT and/or Gobert inevitably miss games makes me nervous.

Good point. It's a close call.

Post #243 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:26 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:a late 1st rder? for which yr idk idk if we have any after the gobert trade lol.

Minnesota is now unable to trade a future first round pick until 2031 at the earliest, unless at any point we are guaranteed to have a second first round pick in said draft.

Made an addendum to your post.

Post #244 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:32 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:
winforlose wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:I thought it was top 5 protected?

It is top 5 protected. But it converts to a 2nd round pick in 2030 if it doesn’t convey. So if we suck in 2028/2029 we should tank hard to get the worst record and guarantee keeping our pick in 2029 and reducing the overall first round cost by one.

I believe it's the 2029 second round pick because teams can't trade 2030 picks yet.

One interesting thing about the 2026 swap is that it only happens if Utah gives OKC a first round pick in 24 or 25. The picks are top ten protected those years, so if Utah decides to tear it down after this season and rebuilds for a couple of years and drafts in the top 10 in 24 and 25 then OKC gets Utah's first round pick (top 8 protected) in 26 and Utah doesn''t have its pick to swap which means that Minnesota keeps its 2026 first.

I think the chances Minnesota swaps its 2026 picks are very very slim.

Am I misinterpreting your post, or are you under the impression that a pick swap would leave us without a pick in that draft?

All a pick swap means is if we are worse than they are in said year, they would get our pick but we would get their pick. Say we are 5th, but they finish 8th, they don't end up with both picks. We would still get the 8th pick in that scenario, even though Utah would get our pick. (the OKC stuff is really throwing me for a loop, and really clouding my mind in an attempt to figure out what you are trying to say.

andyhop · Post #245 » by **andyhop** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:59 am

Klomp wrote:
NebWolvesFan wrote:
winforlose wrote:
It is top 5 protected. But it converts to a 2nd round pick in 2030 if it doesn’t convey. So if we suck in 2028/2029 we should tank hard to get the worst record and guarantee keeping our pick in 2029 and reducing the overall first round cost by one.

I believe it's the 2029 second round pick because teams can't trade 2030 picks yet.

One interesting thing about the 2026 swap is that it only happens if Utah gives OKC a first round pick in 24 or 25. The picks are top ten protected those years, so if Utah decides to tear it down after this season and rebuilds for a couple of years and drafts in the top 10 in 24 and 25 then OKC gets Utah's first round pick (top 8 protected) in 26 and Utah doesn''t have its pick to swap which means that Minnesota keeps its 2026 first.

I think the chances Minnesota swaps its 2026 picks are very very slim.

Am I misinterpreting your post, or are you under the impression that a pick swap would leave us without a pick in that draft?

All a pick swap means is if we are worse than they are in said year, they would get our pick but we would get their pick. Say we are 5th, but they finish 8th, they don't end up with both picks. We would still get the 8th pick in that scenario, even though Utah would get our pick. (the OKC stuff is really throwing me for a loop, and really clouding my mind in an attempt to figure out what you are trying to say.

He is saying that Utah might not have a pick to swap ,so nullifying any swap provision

TheZachAttack · Post #246 » by **TheZachAttack** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:19 pm

Jazz firesale, should the Wolves make a run at Donovan Mitchell? Maybe D Lo (expiring), Wendell Moore, and Jaden McDaniels for Donovan Mitchell?

Neeva · Post #247 » by **Neeva** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:21 pm

What?? Rudy wouldn’t like that.

IceManBK1 · Post #248 » by **IceManBK1** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:26 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:Jazz firesale, should the Wolves make a run at Donovan Mitchell? Maybe D Lo (expiring), Wendell Moore, and Jaden McDaniels for Donovan Mitchell?

Mitchell and Edwards are the same players..don't need duplicates. Not enough balls to go around.

KGdaBom · Post #249 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:45 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:
TheZachAttack wrote:Jazz firesale, should the Wolves make a run at Donovan Mitchell? Maybe D Lo (expiring), Wendell Moore, and Jaden McDaniels for Donovan Mitchell?

Mitchell and Edwards are the same players..don't need duplicates. Not enough balls to go around.

Ant and Mitchell aren't the same player. Ant is 5 inches taller and can defend.

winforlose · Post #250 » by **winforlose** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:45 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:Jazz firesale, should the Wolves make a run at Donovan Mitchell? Maybe D Lo (expiring), Wendell Moore, and Jaden McDaniels for Donovan Mitchell?

DM and Rudy are basically done with each other. If we wanted more Jazz players we would have worked them in before the trade became official.

On a different note. Assume Durant is Miami bound and it takes four teams. Assuming Dlo and Prince could be useful in this move what could we get back? Also for the purpose of this question let’s exclude Ben Simmons, he goes to team 3.

TheZachAttack · Post #251 » by **TheZachAttack** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:41 pm

Come on guys you can not have taken that bait that easily and without even questioning my premise.

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #252 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:46 pm

I’d take Adam Keefe for the veteran minimum

winforlose · Post #253 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:57 am

Question. In this hypothetical Bev is bought out by the Jazz and then is a free agent. Can he sign and trade to us? I know he needs to be with another team before he can come back here, but does sign and trade count? If no, can we trade for him after a period of time, and if yes then what is the period of time?

casteral · Post #254 » by **casteral** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:16 am

I believe if the Jazz traded him to another team, then if he were cut, he could sign back here if he so chose.... similar situation as last year with Dragic and the Heat, not that he wound up returning there last year. But if he's just cut/bought out by Jazz, we cannot sign him for a year from trade date... But I could be wrong lol

winforlose · Post #255 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:26 am

casteral wrote:I believe if the Jazz traded him to another team, then if he were cut, he could sign back here if he so chose.... similar situation as last year with Dragic and the Heat, not that he wound up returning there last year. But if he's just cut/bought out by Jazz, we cannot sign him for a year from trade date... But I could be wrong lol

This is such a weird area. Trying to figure out how to game the rule. Still though, would love to have him back on a minimum with Utah paying the bulk of his salary.

jscott · Post #256 » by **jscott** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:06 pm

casteral wrote:I believe if the Jazz traded him to another team, then if he were cut, he could sign back here if he so chose.... similar situation as last year with Dragic and the Heat, not that he wound up returning there last year. But if he's just cut/bought out by Jazz, we cannot sign him for a year from trade date... But I could be wrong lol

No. That’s correct. He would need to go to another team first.

It prevents circumnavigating the salary requirements in a trade by eliminating any handshake deals where a guy could be bought out and go back to his old team for nothing.

Dewey · Post #257 » by **Dewey** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:17 pm

The NBA can’t co trip tampering, players forcing loves… yet a role player is stuck behind technicality rules.

I’d love Beverly and/or Vando coming off the bench… their energy is intangible and I’m a little worried we may miss that into this next season. Maybe sleepy Floyd and gobert can push buttons, or maybe we can find a vet or two who will fill a similar void. Guess we’ll find out.

jscott · Post #258 » by **jscott** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:23 pm

Dewey wrote:The NBA can’t co trip tampering, players forcing loves… yet a role player is stuck behind technicality rules.

Certainly a unique way of looking at it.

I mean, this is more about not allowing teams to cheat. It’s not like stars or rookie contract guys will get bought out so it really only fits the mold for guys like Pat (older vet who’s not a star.)

These situations also arise from those vets ASKING out probably because they’ve been TAMPERED with from playoff squads looking to strengthen their roster.

winforlose · Post #259 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:27 pm

jscott wrote:
Dewey wrote:The NBA can’t co trip tampering, players forcing loves… yet a role player is stuck behind technicality rules.

Certainly a unique way of looking at it.

I mean, this is more about not allowing teams to cheat. It’s not like stars or rookie contract guys will get bought out so it really only fits the mold for guys like Pat (older vet who’s not a star.)

These situations also arise from those vets ASKING out probably because they’ve been TAMPERED with from playoff squads looking to strengthen their roster.

Another thing it is discouraging is back room cap negotiations between the trading teams. I mean if we trade Bev to Utah with the understanding Utah will waive him for us to resign at a minimum, essentially Utah agrees to pay his cap hit this year. A sneaky way around the cap and tax rules.

winforlose · Post #260 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:54 pm

Saw a terrible trade idea that gave an interesting one. The idea was Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith to the Wolves for Dlo. Now of course Dinwiddie is not good enough to start for us and DFS is a good player but not worth losing our starting PG to acquire. But then I read Utah is shopping Conley. So what about a deal where we get Conley and DFS, plus maybe a second from Dallas. Dinwiddie and draft capital to Utah from Dallas, and Utah gets Dlo. Fanspo says it works, and we only go up 3 mil. Meanwhile DFS has 4 years of team control on a good contract and Conley has this year plus next year, at which point we move him with someone or something else to upgrade the PG again.

Trade looks like
Timberwolves out: Dlo, Timberwolves in: Mike Conley, Dorian Finney Smith, future Dallas second

Dallas out: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney Smith, future 2nd, plus other draft picks to Utah (not sure what Utah needs for Conley, but he is 34 and making 25 mil so shouldn’t be that expensive,) Dallas in: Dlo

Utah out: Conley, Utah in: Spencer Dinwiddie and draft capital.

The biggest problem I have with this and the reason I almost didn’t post it is that Conley is older and likely to decline. We would need to move him in a year or two for a younger starting PG and won’t have a lot of picks to make it work. But, at that point maybe we attach MCD or DFS and get a significant upgrade. This idea is obviously still very raw and I am throwing out their for opinions and feedback.