Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

There is zero reason for the Cavs to take back DinWiddie in a Sexton S&T. Let the Mavs send that first and DinWiddie to a third team. I'd rather pay a second and get a TPE.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041885-inside-the-trade-market-for-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell

Kind of an off shoot of the article but "Utah has explored a sign-and-trade scenario that would send veteran point guard Mike Conley to Cleveland in exchange for restricted free agent Collin Sexton, sources said".

If the Cavs didn't sign Rubio and to a lesser extent Neto, I would be onboard with this swap. With Rubio on a 3 year deal, I want no part of the guaranteed portion of Conley's deal next season. If a 3rd team could take Conley and the Cavs recieve a different player or asset, then maybe its still feasible.

The other thing is I hate dealing with Ainge, he's always trying to bend other front offices over. Koby obviously has familiarity in dealing with him from the Kyrie trade, so I'm sure he knows who and what he's up against but still.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, if the only S&T offers for Sexton are for guys on bad contracts, then this isn't going to have a happy ending.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, if the only S&T offers for Sexton are for guys on bad contracts, then this isn't going to have a happy ending.

Well, unless Ainge was willing to send us a pile of picks and surely he's not.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, if the only S&T offers for Sexton are for guys on bad contracts, then this isn't going to have a happy ending.

Well, unless Ainge was willing to send us a pile of picks and surely he's not.

I mean more from the perspective of Klutch insisting the Cavs taking back bad contracts is fair and infecting Sexton's mindset with that idea. It's not going to happen and this could get ugly.

[Skybox]

Conley for Sexton is a contender move...maybe you're almost there. Conley is solid, 2-way, shoots the 3 at a very high level, can backup Garland and sometimes play next to him. I like it for where you guys are.

[jbk1234]

Conley for Sexton is a contender move...maybe you're almost there. Conley is solid, 2-way, shoots the 3 at a very high level, can backup Garland and sometimes play next to him. I like it for where you guys are.

There's no realistic way to make it work with Sexton's BYC number, and once you get into the Cavs adding Love's expiring, the value is just awful. That $14M guarantee for Conley, in what will be his 16th NBA season, is just way too big. The Jazz screwed up by giving him that contract.

[JonFromVA]

Conley for Sexton is a contender move...maybe you're almost there. Conley is solid, 2-way, shoots the 3 at a very high level, can backup Garland and sometimes play next to him. I like it for where you guys are.

Conley is still a good player, but he's going to be 35 and we've already invested in Rubio.

Anyway, the trade offer is incomplete without knowing what the Jazz would be willing to pay Sexton and Sam Amico is an unreliable source, so unless there's other smoke on a deal, he may have just made it up.

[jbk1234]

Conley for Sexton is a contender move...maybe you're almost there. Conley is solid, 2-way, shoots the 3 at a very high level, can backup Garland and sometimes play next to him. I like it for where you guys are.

Conley is still a good player, but he's going to be 35 and we've already invested in Rubio.

Anyway, the trade offer is incomplete without knowing what the Jazz would be willing to pay Sexton and Sam Amico is an unreliable source, so unless there's other smoke on a deal, he may have just made it up.

It was reported early in the summer that the Jazz were attempting a Conley trade with the Cavs. He might have been plan B, or C, in the event Rubio didn't sign. More importantly, Klutch has a history of canvassing the league for teams looking to unload bad deals in potential S&Ts in order to justify their market evaluation for their clients. *Look, I told you their teams willing to pay my client this much.* It's an artificial market of course.

[JonFromVA]

Conley for Sexton is a contender move...maybe you're almost there. Conley is solid, 2-way, shoots the 3 at a very high level, can backup Garland and sometimes play next to him. I like it for where you guys are.

Conley is still a good player, but he's going to be 35 and we've already invested in Rubio.

Anyway, the trade offer is incomplete without knowing what the Jazz would be willing to pay Sexton and Sam Amico is an unreliable source, so unless there's other smoke on a deal, he may have just made it up.

It was reported early in the summer that the Jazz were attempting a Conley trade with the Cavs. He might have been plan B, or C, in the event Rubio didn't sign. More importantly, Klutch has a history of canvassing the league for teams looking to unload bad deals in potential S&Ts in order to justify their market evaluation for their clients. *Look, I told you their teams willing to pay my client this much.* It's an artificial market of course.

Gotcha ... but if Utah was willing to pay Collin $100M/4yr deal, then suddenly it's isn't just swapping Conley's salary/roster slot for Collin's and would add some weight to Klutch's case.

So, the numbers matter ...

[sisibilio]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

[jbk1234]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

Cedi would have to go out with Sexton just for the trade to be legal. I'm less high on Bojan than others. I think his days as a starter are numbered. He's older now and he's struggled to stay with quicker SFs his entire career.

[ijspeelman]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

Cedi would have to go out with Sexton just for the trade to be legal. I'm less high on Bojan than others. I think his days as a starter are numbered. He's older now and he's struggled to stay with quicker SFs his entire career.

I really like what he can bring on offense (shot-making, passing, and off-ball movement), but I think all of that value is washed away with how bad of a defender he is. He is easily targeted on-ball and is not very aware off-ball. Would work better as a bench guy on a contender so I pass for the value we would have to give up.

[KuruptedCav]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

Is Bojan better than Lauri or Cedi? I’m not confident the answer to that in 2022 is “yes.”


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[jbk1234]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

Is Bojan better than Lauri or Cedi? I’m not confident the answer to that in 2022 is “yes.”


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Cedi? Yes. Lauri? it's far less clear, and given their respective ages, it's likely that Laur's the better long term bet.

[KuruptedCav]

If you're dealing with Utah Bojan should the target.

Garland - Rubio - Neto
Okoro - Levert - Agbaji
Bojan - Lauri - Cedi - Stevens
Mobley - Love
Allen - Lopez

That's a legit contender right there with tons of versatility.

Is Bojan better than Lauri or Cedi? I’m not confident the answer to that in 2022 is “yes.”


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Cedi? Yes. Lauri? it's far less clear, and given their respective ages, it's likely that Laur's the better long term bet.

I’m not as sure. Bojan’s passing is bad, like bad enough that Donovan Mitchell shoots a pedestrian 42% off passes from him; and on defense he makes Kevin Love look passable on the perimeter by comparison

He’s got that elite shot and has no hesitation firing it, but we’re not talking Joe Harris or Seth Curry elite. 39% on a steady decline spanning 3-4 years.

I like Lauri better than him this year.


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[mcfly1204]

Throwing **** against the wall here... if the overlying concern with Sexton is that he will not accept a sixth man role, what about getting involved in one of these rumored trades, where we send out Sexton and Love, and end up with Westbrook + compensation. Russ buys in, wins sixth man of the year, Cavs maintain future cap flexibility.

[KuruptedCav]

Throwing **** against the wall here... if the overlying concern with Sexton is that he will not accept a sixth man role, what about getting involved in one of these rumored trades, where we send out Sexton and Love, and end up with Westbrook + compensation. Russ buys in, wins sixth man of the year, Cavs maintain future cap flexibility.

I put this slightly below Sexton signing the QC and getting “hurt” and Kevin Love doing a repeat of last year.

I like Westbrook, just don’t like him with Darius.

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[mcfly1204]

For me it would be primarily about that compensation. Westbrook giving you some solid minutes in a specified role would just be wishful thinking\gravy.

[JujitsuFlip]

For me it would be primarily about that compensation. Westbrook giving you some solid minutes in a specified role would just be wishful thinking\gravy.

I'm not sure a 2029 first rounder is worth the Westbrook headache.

Westy isn't willing to come off the bench for the Lakers, zero chance he agrees to that role here.

I think Rus on a Pacers type team, as a low efficiency triple-double machine who plays mediocre defense is where he needs to aim. Cavs just aren't a fit in anyway for a $47 million sixth man.