Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[thebuzzardman]

randle is not a fit with a ball dominant backcourt

Yes he is, he will thrive with open threes spacing the floor

What?


He's going to do the same thing with them that he's done with everyone else, he's going to try and play a two man game with whoever has the ball at the time. He'll do DHO, then post up taking away any driving lane either could have, he'll do DHO and with so little time on the clock they have to shoot, and he'll set screens hoping he gets the ball back and never actually rolling to the rim.

This backcourt will need a "Go stand in the corner" player at the 4 more than anything else.

Not that I'm sure either could start, but Randle being traded and a PF tandem of Obi/Paschdall would be entertaining as f*ck.

Of course, this Westbrook rumor is pure drivel and fantasy, but so what. We've all posted in 400 pages for a Donovan Mitchell trade that won't happen.

[Kampuchea]

Guys...those Lakers picks have value. They just don't have much value. Not the value that some of you guys in fantasy land are dreaming they have. And certainly not for any current front office who by the by are the guys that are determining value. What NBA front office would value draft picks coming from the 2nd winningest franchise in league history, a team that players ALWAYS have on top of their lists to play and seem to get what they want AND that won't materialize for 5 and 7 years from now as value? The average lifespan of an NBA front office executive is not 5 years.

And will be protected

[DOT]

The Lakers are the 2nd winningest franchise in NBA history. That kinda shows that if you are going to be betting on a team 5 to 7 years from now to be good or bad that you don't bet on a team like the Lakers. If this was the Cavs, ok. Magic. Ok.

And over the past 9 years, they're 290-427, an average of 33 wins per season with 2 playoff berths. Their core is literally just a 38 year old LeBron and a terminally injured AD with no assets and no prospects to speak of

Also, why would you look at how good they were in the 70s and 80s and say that matters more than their current team?

You ignore the whole point, teams want those picks and the Lakers don't want to give them up. The only way how you think makes sense is if LA was begging teams to take Westbrook and those picks and they were rebuffed, but that's not reality. If they offered both those picks, Westbrook would be gone instantly.

[thebuzzardman]

Donovan Mitchell's strength is attacking the basket.. Brunson's strength is operating in the paint with a live dribble and floaters. Think about it and explain to me how they complement each other.

Because all NBA teams only have one guy who can dribble a basketball towards the basket with any ability...

You've been watching the Knicks for too long.

Not to mention they can both shoot.

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Why else do you think Westbrook is still a Laker even though the Lakers have been trying to trade him for some time.

Because the Lakers don't want to trade picks 5 and 7 years from now just to dump Westbrook without making any meaningful improvement to their roster

Like, if you look at any of the rumors, they all say that teams are asking for the picks, and the Lakers aren't willing to give them up

The picks have value because nobody expects the Lakers to be any good in 5-7 years, the Lakers included, which is why teams are asking for them and they're not giving them up.

there's even some thought they don't want to trade those picks at all because lebron is expiring and old and they might feel this team's window is over even if they got someone like kyrie. it seems logical if they were actually giving up both of those picks, kyrie is probably already a laker.

potentially but KD probably wants no part of Russ...even more so then Kyrie.

Until the KD situation is solved (and it doesn't look there will be a trade partner for KD). Nets aren't trading for Russ.

If you see a KD trade...you probably will see the Kyrie move right after.

[jvsimonetti0514]

has marc stein been right about any knicks rumor recently? i feel like every summer he reports on the knicks and always ends up being wrong

thats why im not gonna get excited about any randle trades

IIRC he had the Brunson numbers first and seemed to have a decent amount of info on the signing before anyone else.

[F N 11]

Realistically how can we get Westbrook’s salary? Include Cam??

Randle and Fournier

So how Donovan?

[Chanel Bomber]

The Lakers will sign Luka Doncic in 2027.

With the new TV deal having kicked in, and presumably creating another cap spike, they could easily sign Luka, and either sign or trade picks for a second star.

LeBron-AD are cooked as a championship core. Trading those picks for Randle would lead them nowhere. But they thought trading their whole depth for Brodie was a good idea, so who knows.

[Juco24]

Read that Lakers willing to include picks to take Westbrook... can we convey to Jazz? Just thinking...

[F N 11]

Them lakers picks going to be valuable when they implode. I would prey on their desperation..

We would then have 40 million in cap next year?

[Kampuchea]

Randle barely shot 30% on C&S 3's....

With no PG play resulting in low quality shots. Problem solved with Brunson

he shot 29% on wide open 3's last year (that means a defender not within 6 feet of him).

Need I go on?

And we know he will fall in between his last two seasons performance, not struggle like last year. Realistically he isn’t all NBA but he also isn’t the poor shooter of last season. Need more explanation?

[K_ick_God]

Here's what happened.

Marc Stein visited 4 different Knicks internet forums, took the pulse of fans on Randle, read a few of the Russel Westbrook bullsh*t trades that get floated on them, and made up a rumor to get clicks, drive traffic to his substack etc.

Whatever.

Stein has a good amount of journalistic integrity.

[Knicksrule2k4]

Realistically how can we get Westbrook’s salary? Include Cam??

Randle and Fournier

So how Donovan?

Would have to be Fournier, Grimes, and McBride plus picks for Mitchell. Then Randle, Rose and Cam for Westbrook

[stuporman]

not exactly...the picks we got probably aren't going in the Mitchell trade.

It will be our own picks. Not every pick is created equal.

Both will, some NYK picks and some of the others. The picks that people are disregarding will actually wind up being better picks than the ones the Knicks give of their own. The Knicks ones will more likely be in the 20s and the other ones more likely in the teens.

The only different is in appearance, the 'unprotected' jizzing that fans, media and even Ainge will do over them probably won't translate into them being better picks than the ones that are coming from Wash and Det once the protections go down to a lower point they'll convey in the teens, not Mil one tho.

if we want to keep some of our young guys I think most of the picks will have to be our unprotected picks

Then why the eff are you quibbling over my pick math? I was only talking about picks in and picks out if the Knicks were able to unload Randle/Frounier and maybe recoup one pick compounded by the 11 turning into 3 so even if the Knick send 6 for DMitch the net on the pick roulette is like 3 or 4 out.

Again...the Wash and Det pick once conveyed, and they will convey in 3-5 years, will probably be better picks than the Knicks own picks. Especially considering the Knicks will have gotten Randle and Fournier off the roster and were able to better surround Don with better complementary players.

[stuporman]

double post

[F N 11]

Here's what happened.

Marc Stein visited 4 different Knicks internet forums, took the pulse of fans on Randle, read a few of the Russel Westbrook bullsh*t trades that get floated on them, and made up a rumor to get clicks, drive traffic to his substack etc.

Whatever.

Stein has a good amount of journalistic integrity.

He has been Amazing lately. Same with Windhorst.

[thebuzzardman]

Donovan Mitchell's strength is attacking the basket.. Brunson's strength is operating in the paint with a live dribble and floaters. Think about it and explain to me how they complement each other.

Because all NBA teams only have one guy who can dribble a basketball towards the basket with any ability...

You've been watching the Knicks for too long.

As long as both guys can shoot off the catch, it's fine

Brunson shot 40% off the catch last year, 44% 2 years ago. Mitchell shot 35% off the catch last year, 43% two years ago

I think there's this idea that there can only be one "the guy" who does all the ball handling, but that's just not how teams work

Like, yeah, by having both of them on the court, you're taking away some opportunities for them to do what they do best, but would you rather have 40 possessions per game of Brunson doing his thing or 30 possessions per game each for Brunson and Mitchell to have the ball in their hands?

I'm worried about the defense, the offense would be great.

Thank you. They are both elite at creating off the dribble, so I'm not exactly concerned if Brunson is doing his 1 v 3 in the paint, gets jammed up a bit and get the ball to Mitchell while the defense is even a little off balance.

Again, heaven forbid the Knicks have an elite 3 level scorer in Mitchell and then a guy in Brunson who is damn close and at least elite getting to the rim, incredibly good in the mid range and at least average at shooting 3's.

Defense an issue like you say? Yes. Offense? Come on.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's what happened.

Marc Stein visited 4 different Knicks internet forums, took the pulse of fans on Randle, read a few of the Russel Westbrook bullsh*t trades that get floated on them, and made up a rumor to get clicks, drive traffic to his substack etc.

Whatever.

Stein has a good amount of journalistic integrity.

Thanks for the answer. I thought that he used to, but seems like reporters roles and personas morph every 5 years, so had to check.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's what happened.

Marc Stein visited 4 different Knicks internet forums, took the pulse of fans on Randle, read a few of the Russel Westbrook bullsh*t trades that get floated on them, and made up a rumor to get clicks, drive traffic to his substack etc.

Whatever.

Stein has a good amount of journalistic integrity.

He has been Amazing lately. Same with Windhorst.

Thanks for the clarification.

Still think Knicks don't get Donovan Mitchell, Randle a Knick4life

[moocow007]

Guys...those Lakers picks have value. They just don't have much value. Not the value that some of you guys in fantasy land are dreaming they have. And certainly not for any current front office who by the by are the guys that are determining value. What NBA front office would value draft picks coming from the 2nd winningest franchise in league history, a team that players ALWAYS have on top of their lists to play and seem to get what they want AND that won't materialize for 5 and 7 years from now as value? The average lifespan of an NBA front office executive is not 5 years.

And will be protected

Yep.