Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Krapinsky]

Saw a terrible trade idea that gave an interesting one. The idea was Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith to the Wolves for Dlo. Now of course Dinwiddie is not good enough to start for us and DFS is a good player but not worth losing our starting PG to acquire. But then I read Utah is shopping Conley. So what about a deal where we get Conley and DFS, plus maybe a second from Dallas. Dinwiddie and draft capital to Utah from Dallas, and Utah gets Dlo. Fanspo says it works, and we only go up 3 mil. Meanwhile DFS has 4 years of team control on a good contract and Conley has this year plus next year, at which point we move him with someone or something else to upgrade the PG again.

Trade looks like
Timberwolves out: Dlo, Timberwolves in: Mike Conley, Dorian Finney Smith, future Dallas second

Dallas out: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney Smith, future 2nd, plus other draft picks to Utah (not sure what Utah needs for Conley, but he is 34 and making 25 mil so shouldn’t be that expensive,) Dallas in: Dlo

Utah out: Conley, Utah in: Spencer Dinwiddie and draft capital.

The biggest problem I have with this and the reason I almost didn’t post it is that Conley is older and likely to decline. We would need to move him in a year or two for a younger starting PG and won’t have a lot of picks to make it work. But, at that point maybe we attach MCD or DFS and get a significant upgrade. This idea is obviously still very raw and I am throwing out their for opinions and feedback.

I think Conley ends up in Dallas.

[winforlose]

Saw a terrible trade idea that gave an interesting one. The idea was Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith to the Wolves for Dlo. Now of course Dinwiddie is not good enough to start for us and DFS is a good player but not worth losing our starting PG to acquire. But then I read Utah is shopping Conley. So what about a deal where we get Conley and DFS, plus maybe a second from Dallas. Dinwiddie and draft capital to Utah from Dallas, and Utah gets Dlo. Fanspo says it works, and we only go up 3 mil. Meanwhile DFS has 4 years of team control on a good contract and Conley has this year plus next year, at which point we move him with someone or something else to upgrade the PG again.

Trade looks like
Timberwolves out: Dlo, Timberwolves in: Mike Conley, Dorian Finney Smith, future Dallas second

Dallas out: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney Smith, future 2nd, plus other draft picks to Utah (not sure what Utah needs for Conley, but he is 34 and making 25 mil so shouldn’t be that expensive,) Dallas in: Dlo

Utah out: Conley, Utah in: Spencer Dinwiddie and draft capital.

The biggest problem I have with this and the reason I almost didn’t post it is that Conley is older and likely to decline. We would need to move him in a year or two for a younger starting PG and won’t have a lot of picks to make it work. But, at that point maybe we attach MCD or DFS and get a significant upgrade. This idea is obviously still very raw and I am throwing out their for opinions and feedback.

I think Conley ends up in Dallas.

Very possible. They need someone to replace Brunson. Would they want Dlo if they could get him? Would we want Conley? Would Dallas give up DFS to get a replacement for Brunson/upgrade? These are all interesting questions. Pretend for the sake of argument my trade goes through, is DFS better than MCD? If not is he better than Prince? Prince becomes a 3rd string SF/PF and our defensive options are still way better with DFS as our 2nd unit defensive anchor. But what does Conley have left in the tank? Can he replace Dlo? Also, what do we do in two years when Conley 36 and his contract will expire?

[shrink]

Saw a terrible trade idea that gave an interesting one. The idea was Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith to the Wolves for Dlo.

I’d have been all over this before we acquired Gobert. DFS is the type of wing everyone covets, and while I think Dinwiddie is a high end back up that’s a bit overpaid, he definitely has his moments.

As for the second trade, I’m also worried about Conley. And what do we do next year? We wouldn’t extend Conley, and lose the payroll to acquire a different PG? It would prevent us from overpaying DLo, I suppose. DFS or Prince are very tradable.

The deal adds $3.6 mil in payroll, limiting us from completing our roster. Not undoable though.

[winforlose]

Saw a terrible trade idea that gave an interesting one. The idea was Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith to the Wolves for Dlo.

I’d have been all over this before we acquired Gobert. DFS is the type of wing everyone covets, and while I think Dinwiddie is a high end back up that’s a bit overpaid, he definitely has his moments.

As for the second trade, I’m also worried about Conley. And what do we do next year? We wouldn’t extend Conley, and lose the payroll to acquire a different PG? It would prevent us from overpaying DLo, I suppose. DFS or Prince are very tradable.

The deal adds $3.6 mil in payroll, limiting us from completing our roster. Not undoable though.

The addition of DFS to spot 13 is one of the keys to completing the roster. We need two players, a dynamic POA defender and a backup PG. The move also makes Prince movable to free up space as needed. Dinwiddie to Utah is a salary dump, and if Utah and Dallas want they can expand the trade to include Clarkson for the expiring Powell as Dallas needs more guards and Utah could do with more expiring contracts.

Next year we would need to trade Conley with DFS but we still have MCD, and then we use the combined salary and appeal of DFS to target a PG upgrade. Or if Conley plays very well we extend for one year and put off the second trade another year. The real issue is would Dallas view Dlo as an upgrade to Dinwiddie and a key piece next to Luka. Asking them to give up DFS is tough. Dinwiddie could also stay on the Mavs and Powell could be used as filler to make the deal work. It all depends on whether Dallas wants Dlo is willing to give up DFS and willing to pay Utah for Conley for us.

[shrink]

I thought this was interesting from the Trade Board

So the Thunder will need to move off some players to get to 15. They could take back some non expiring salary (maybe in the neighborhood of 15 million)as long as they have at least max space next offseason. Some of these players will likely get waived, but maybe your team would want them before trying to put in a waiver claim or trying to sign them as FAs. So here are the players.

Darius Bazley $4,264,629 / rFA
Ty Jerome $4,220,057 / rFA
Theo Maledon, $1,900,000 /$1,930,681 (TO)
JaMychal Green $8,200,000 / UFA
Derrick Favors $10,183,800 / UFA
Vit Krejci $1,563,518 / $1,836,096 (non guar)

Even though we don’t have trade assets except cash, using parts of our $4.37 TPE is better for OKC than waiving.

Otherwise we could hope someone clears waivers.

See anyone you like?

[Norseman79]

I thought this was interesting from the Trade Board

So the Thunder will need to move off some players to get to 15. They could take back some non expiring salary (maybe in the neighborhood of 15 million)as long as they have at least max space next offseason. Some of these players will likely get waived, but maybe your team would want them before trying to put in a waiver claim or trying to sign them as FAs. So here are the players.

Darius Bazley $4,264,629 / rFA
Ty Jerome $4,220,057 / rFA
Theo Maledon, $1,900,000 /$1,930,681 (TO)
JaMychal Green $8,200,000 / UFA
Derrick Favors $10,183,800 / UFA
Vit Krejci $1,563,518 / $1,836,096 (non guar)

Even though we don’t have trade assets except cash, using parts of our $4.37 TPE is better for OKC than waiving.

Otherwise we could hope someone clears waivers.

See anyone you like?

Yeah, Maledon for sure. 21 year old PG depth and the Gobert connection may help him develop

[Klomp]

Reuniting old friends:

Russell (31.4) and Reid (1.9) to CLE for Love (28.9) and Rubio (5.8)

Ideally, a trade of Russell would bring back a first round pick. I'm not certain if this would be the trade to do so. But I think it's a rather fun idea to reunite Love and Rubio with Minnesota and to reunite Russell with Allen (the primary reason for this idea) and LeVert.

[moss_is_1]

I thought this was interesting from the Trade Board

So the Thunder will need to move off some players to get to 15. They could take back some non expiring salary (maybe in the neighborhood of 15 million)as long as they have at least max space next offseason. Some of these players will likely get waived, but maybe your team would want them before trying to put in a waiver claim or trying to sign them as FAs. So here are the players.

Darius Bazley $4,264,629 / rFA
Ty Jerome $4,220,057 / rFA
Theo Maledon, $1,900,000 /$1,930,681 (TO)
JaMychal Green $8,200,000 / UFA
Derrick Favors $10,183,800 / UFA
Vit Krejci $1,563,518 / $1,836,096 (non guar)

Even though we don’t have trade assets except cash, using parts of our $4.37 TPE is better for OKC than waiving.

Otherwise we could hope someone clears waivers.

See anyone you like?

Yeah, Maledon for sure. 21 year old PG depth and the Gobert connection may help him develop

Maledon would be alright, I think you can add Kenrich William(2m) on there also? I'd be happy with Bazley.

[Slim Tubby]

I thought this was interesting from the Trade Board

So the Thunder will need to move off some players to get to 15. They could take back some non expiring salary (maybe in the neighborhood of 15 million)as long as they have at least max space next offseason. Some of these players will likely get waived, but maybe your team would want them before trying to put in a waiver claim or trying to sign them as FAs. So here are the players.

Darius Bazley $4,264,629 / rFA
Ty Jerome $4,220,057 / rFA
Theo Maledon, $1,900,000 /$1,930,681 (TO)
JaMychal Green $8,200,000 / UFA
Derrick Favors $10,183,800 / UFA
Vit Krejci $1,563,518 / $1,836,096 (non guar)

Even though we don’t have trade assets except cash, using parts of our $4.37 TPE is better for OKC than waiving.

Otherwise we could hope someone clears waivers.

See anyone you like?

Yeah, Maledon for sure. 21 year old PG depth and the Gobert connection may help him develop

You took the words right out of my mouth. Great minds think alike.


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[Slim Tubby]

Reuniting old friends:

Russell (31.4) and Reid (1.9) to CLE for Love (28.9) and Rubio (5.8)

Ideally, a trade of Russell would bring back a first round pick. I'm not certain if this would be the trade to do so. But I think it's a rather fun idea to reunite Love and Rubio with Minnesota and to reunite Russell with Allen (the primary reason for this idea) and LeVert.

Very interesting idea:

C Gobert/Love
PF Towns/Anderson/Minott
SF McDaniels/Moore
SG Edwards/Nowell/Forbes
PG Rubio/McGlaughlin/Rivers


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[Klomp]

I wonder if the closer we get to deadline, the more someone like Brandon Clarke could become an option with the TPE.

[KGdaBom]

I wonder if the closer we get to deadline, the more someone like Brandon Clarke could become an option with the TPE.

I would love to get Brandon Clarke, but since he won the playoff round for them last year why would they be willing to let him go? If you just meant someone like him, but not actually him I'm not sure who you would be talking about.

[Klomp]

I wonder if the closer we get to deadline, the more someone like Brandon Clarke could become an option with the TPE.

I would love to get Brandon Clarke, but since he won the playoff round for them last year why would they be willing to let him go? If you just meant someone like him, but not actually him I'm not sure who you would be talking about.

With his pending RFA status after the season and a lot of money already tied up and accounted for, I'm not sure how much money they will want to invest in him when they may have other cheaper options available to them. We may have the same questions still, but I think he fits the prototype of the type of player we may target with the exceptions.

[KGdaBom]

I wonder if the closer we get to deadline, the more someone like Brandon Clarke could become an option with the TPE.

I would love to get Brandon Clarke, but since he won the playoff round for them last year why would they be willing to let him go? If you just meant someone like him, but not actually him I'm not sure who you would be talking about.

With his pending RFA status after the season and a lot of money already tied up and accounted for, I'm not sure how much money they will want to invest in him when they may have other cheaper options available to them. We may have the same questions still, but I think he fits the prototype of the type of player we may target with the exceptions.

If the Grizz don't recognize his value they are fools.

[TimberKat]

Reuniting old friends:

Russell (31.4) and Reid (1.9) to CLE for Love (28.9) and Rubio (5.8)

Ideally, a trade of Russell would bring back a first round pick. I'm not certain if this would be the trade to do so. But I think it's a rather fun idea to reunite Love and Rubio with Minnesota and to reunite Russell with Allen (the primary reason for this idea) and LeVert.

Very interesting idea:

C Gobert/Love
PF Towns/Anderson/Minott
SF McDaniels/Moore
SG Edwards/Nowell/Forbes
PG Rubio/McGlaughlin/Rivers


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Love Rubio and how Cavs use him - not to start but to finish. However, after 2nd ACL injury and not sure when he will return, I think Russell is the better option. Isn't Love just a poor man's Towns (sounds like a country song)? A power forward that can play center, hit 3s, and not much defense. I am a little disappointed with Reid's performance, thinking he was going to take a leap to solid rotation player but didn't happen. Like to look for a better trade for DLo.

[Godaddycurse]

I wonder if the closer we get to deadline, the more someone like Brandon Clarke could become an option with the TPE.

I would love to get Brandon Clarke, but since he won the playoff round for them last year why would they be willing to let him go? If you just meant someone like him, but not actually him I'm not sure who you would be talking about.

With his pending RFA status after the season and a lot of money already tied up and accounted for, I'm not sure how much money they will want to invest in him when they may have other cheaper options available to them. We may have the same questions still, but I think he fits the prototype of the type of player we may target with the exceptions.

You want him for free? Don't see the grizz parting with him without compensation. A team like bulls probably offer up POR 2023 lotto 1st for him no problem

[Klomp]

I would love to get Brandon Clarke, but since he won the playoff round for them last year why would they be willing to let him go? If you just meant someone like him, but not actually him I'm not sure who you would be talking about.

With his pending RFA status after the season and a lot of money already tied up and accounted for, I'm not sure how much money they will want to invest in him when they may have other cheaper options available to them. We may have the same questions still, but I think he fits the prototype of the type of player we may target with the exceptions.

You want him for free? Don't see the grizz parting with him without compensation. A team like bulls probably offer up POR 2023 lotto 1st for him no problem

Where did I say for free?

[Godaddycurse]

With his pending RFA status after the season and a lot of money already tied up and accounted for, I'm not sure how much money they will want to invest in him when they may have other cheaper options available to them. We may have the same questions still, but I think he fits the prototype of the type of player we may target with the exceptions.

You want him for free? Don't see the grizz parting with him without compensation. A team like bulls probably offer up POR 2023 lotto 1st for him no problem

Where did I say for free?

You mentioned targeting with exceptions and i dont think you have any picks available to trade with so...

[Klomp]

You want him for free? Don't see the grizz parting with him without compensation. A team like bulls probably offer up POR 2023 lotto 1st for him no problem

Where did I say for free?

You mentioned targeting with exceptions and i dont think you have any picks available to trade with so...

Let's throw out a name like Naz Reid, for example. He is on a minimum contract, so his money doesn't get aggregated in a trade. That means the player you're trading him for (Clarke in this case) would need to be acquired also using an exception.

[Godaddycurse]

Where did I say for free?

You mentioned targeting with exceptions and i dont think you have any picks available to trade with so...

Let's throw out a name like Naz Reid, for example. He is on a minimum contract, so his money doesn't get aggregated in a trade. That means the player you're trading him for (Clarke in this case) would need to be acquired also using an exception.

That would still be a downgrade for Memphis.. reid will also be a UFA vs Clarke as a RFA. But fair enough you dont mean to get him for free . I dont think anyone outside of McDaniels will interest them though