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Re: Roster construction 

Post#141 » by Topofthekey » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:15 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:The Pacers still need a real SF, most of the guys we have are big SG's playing SF.

Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C

We have Jackson, Smith, Taylor, and Goga, but I think none of them are full time starters at C yet

By trading Turner for a SF, we're relegating one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench, while hoping someone steps up at C

It feels like the team needs to keep Turner more than it needs to acquire a SF
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Re: Roster construction 

Post#142 » by Wizop » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:22 pm

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basketballwacko2 wrote:The Pacers still need a real SF, most of the guys we have are big SG's playing SF.

Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C


even getting a backup 3 would help and we have cap space to acquire one from a team that needs to shed some money. I'd look for one on an expiring contract expecting a 2023 draftee to take that spot in a year. we have Washington's roster spot that could be better filled with a 3 and trading Turner doesn't have to be the price..
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Post#143 » by Tom White » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:27 pm

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Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench


I don't understand the problem with this part. If the new player is better, he should play. Having one of those guys on the bench doesn't mean they won't see minutes. Whichever one it is would likely see back-up minutes at two positions (SG & SF).

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C


Now this part I understand. Even if the team views Goga as a career back-up, or as being a player who is not going to be around long-term, it is probably time for a "sink or swim" decision with him.
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Post#144 » by Tom White » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:47 pm

Wizop wrote: Turner doesn't have to be the price..


It is an interesting thing with Turner. For a good while we heard a lot of people say he just didn't fit well with the make-up of the team.

Well, take a look around. This is a totally different team. Turner's front court mate (Smith as well as Jackson) is a totally different sort of player than Sabonis was. Haliburton is absolutely a different type of PG from Brogdon. The wings (Duarte and Mathurin) are different from the previous guys.

This really is a different team all around from what Turner was matched with before. Maybe we should find out what the fit actually is now?

Of course, if he has become unhappy here, all that goes out the window. But it is something to think about.
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Re: Roster construction 

Post#145 » by JeffFosters » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:24 am

Topofthekey wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:The Pacers still need a real SF, most of the guys we have are big SG's playing SF.

Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C

We have Jackson, Smith, Taylor, and Goga, but I think none of them are full time starters at C yet

By trading Turner for a SF, we're relegating one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench, while hoping someone steps up at C

It feels like the team needs to keep Turner more than it needs to acquire a SF


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Re: Roster construction 

Post#146 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:27 am

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Topofthekey wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:The Pacers still need a real SF, most of the guys we have are big SG's playing SF.

Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C

We have Jackson, Smith, Taylor, and Goga, but I think none of them are full time starters at C yet

By trading Turner for a SF, we're relegating one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench, while hoping someone steps up at C

It feels like the team needs to keep Turner more than it needs to acquire a SF


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That account is followed by no beat writers, bloggers, reporters, writers, players, or executives of note, and it doesn’t cite any reporting, apparently just it’s own?

I’d take that particular Twitter account with a huge amount of skepticism.
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Re: Roster construction 

Post#147 » by 8305 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:49 pm

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jarryd3107 wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:Problem with acquiring someone to play SF is it moves one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench

In addition to that, if the team trades Turner for a SF, that also creates a hole at C

We have Jackson, Smith, Taylor, and Goga, but I think none of them are full time starters at C yet

By trading Turner for a SF, we're relegating one of Duarte or Mathurin to the bench, while hoping someone steps up at C

It feels like the team needs to keep Turner more than it needs to acquire a SF


Read on Twitter
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Not sure how legit this account is, but heres this. I dont hate it.



That account is followed by no beat writers, bloggers, reporters, writers, players, or executives of note, and it doesn’t cite any reporting, apparently just it’s own?

I’d take that particular Twitter account with a huge amount of skepticism.

I like the Hawks, Raptors, Pacer idea being kicked around on the Trade Board better.
Hawks give Hunter and Griffin, get OG
Toronto gives OG, get Turner and Griffin
Pacers give Turner get Hunter
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Post#148 » by Wizop » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:51 pm

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Re: Roster construction 

Post#149 » by Pacers Forever » Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:25 pm

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Can any Pacer’s fan tell me that Talen Horton-Tucker is equivalent to or better than Buddy Hield in what they’d provide to the team this year and ongoing if there’s a swap ??

Buddy’s FG%, 3pt%, Free throw%, rebounding, and assists are all better. Everything else stat wise is even except
Talen Horton-Tucker has 1 turnover less on average and is 23 compared to Buddy’s 29 years old. His 3 point % is 26% which is not good. I don’t get how he’d help the Pacers.

Personally the Lakers don’t have enough good capital to warrant a trade of these 2 and to throw Turner in for Westbrook is ludicrous. Who really wants Lakers draft picks late in the first round as they’ll be competitive soon.

This trade would pull the Lakers out of the crap hole they’ve put themselves into and instantly put them in contention again and they know it.
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Post#150 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:37 pm

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Post#151 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:40 pm

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Can any Pacer’s fan tell me that Talen Horton-Tucker is equivalent to or better than Buddy Hield in what they’d provide to the team this year and ongoing if there’s a swap ??

Buddy’s FG%, 3pt%, Free throw%, rebounding, and assists are all better. Everything else stat wise is even except
Talen Horton-Tucker has 1 turnover less on average and is 23 compared to Buddy’s 29 years old. His 3 point % is 26% which is not good. I don’t get how he’d help the Pacers.

Personally the Lakers don’t have enough good capital to warrant a trade of these 2 and to throw Turner in for Westbrook is ludicrous. Who really wants Lakers draft picks late in the first round as they’ll be competitive soon.

This trade would pull the Lakers out of the crap hole they’ve put themselves into and instantly put them in contention again and they know it.


THT would cost Indy about $10m less per year than Buddy, he’s much younger (only 21), has the length and athleticism to truly guard the 3/4 positions, and was college teammates with Haliburton.

Buddy is easily the better player right now, but THT does hold potential of being a defender on the wing, with relatively equal ball handling to Buddy and better driving.

It’s not ideal, but the assumption is that Indy would be getting some draft capital in a potential swap.

As for Russ, well, to me if you can get the 2 future 1sts unprotected, and any swaps, it’s probably worth dealing Buddy/Myles for Russ (if Myles won’t extend, that is). Getting unprotected picks is rare, and they usually hold value until they convey.
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Re: Roster construction 

Post#152 » by Tom White » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:37 pm

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Seems to me that this author is a "mouth piece" for Lakers BS. Lakers stuff is the only content I've seen him put out.

So, I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting on this.

All that, plus they couldn't even use a picture of Buddy in a Pacers uniform. They used an old one with him in a Kings uni.
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Post#153 » by Tom White » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:38 pm

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This is the kind of stuff that makes me not watch ESPN's talk shows. That and the yelling matches some of them like to get into.
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Post#154 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:40 pm

Tom White wrote:
Wizop wrote:
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Seems to me that this author is a "mouth piece" for Lakers BS. Lakers stuff is the only content I've seen him put out.

So, I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting on this.



He’s a beat writer for the Lakers on ESPN, but he’s historically been pretty fair. He has previously written in multiple other locations and he’s not a lifelong Laker fan.
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Post#155 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:42 pm

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This is the kind of stuff that makes me not watch ESPN's talk shows. That and the yelling matches some of them like to get into.


Oh, I agree. I rarely if ever watch shows like this on ESPN. I want the sports, and the actual news. I don’t want the Skip Bayless (I know, he’s on Fox now) those of fake debate and manufactured talking points stuff.
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Post#156 » by Tom White » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:19 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Oh, I agree. I rarely if ever watch shows like this on ESPN. I want the sports, and the actual news. I don’t want the Skip Bayless (I know, he’s on Fox now) those of fake debate and manufactured talking points stuff.


The only talkie that I can watch and enjoy is Colin Cowherd on FS1.
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Post#157 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:55 pm

Tom White wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Oh, I agree. I rarely if ever watch shows like this on ESPN. I want the sports, and the actual news. I don’t want the Skip Bayless (I know, he’s on Fox now) those of fake debate and manufactured talking points stuff.


The only talkie that I can watch and enjoy is Colin Cowherd on FS1.

Oh……


You’re on your own on that one :lol:
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Re: Roster construction 

Post#158 » by Grang33r » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:04 pm

What in the world could the Lakers offer us?
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Post#159 » by Pacers Forever » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:18 pm

I don’t watch any of the talking heads. The only sports shows I watch other than the actual events are sports center occasionally and sports recap shows from the day’s activities on NBTV or the football equivalent. I watch so much less than when I was 30 lol.

On proposed roster construction trades I’d much rather help the Hornets than the Lakers.
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Post#160 » by pacers33granger » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:27 pm

I mean, it makes sense now that free agency is over (essentially). We have a ton of space and we should be canvassing the league for assets. LAL is probably the most motivated buyer right now. Talking about a deal, if we are, doesn't mean anything happens.

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