If not Mitchell then who?

[nykballa2k4]

So I figured I would make a Mitchell related but very not Mitchell thread to spice things up.

With our current trove of picks, if we assume that Randle is NOT someone we are moving.... what player who could be available in the next year or so should be be hoping for?

We have to figure that the Lillard days are completely behind us... We are not going to be in the market for a point guard, so we can forget Kyrie, Westbrook.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/all-nba-teams-2022-list-players-first-second-third/q94d64e1hk3zisykrmveg0if
Any names there that we think we will have a chance to target?

We have to plan that RJ, Randle, Brunson are our current core and are not being moved as part of the premise. After Julius last season, other teams may not pay what he is really worth, may charge us to take his contract (despite that if he were FA they'd sign him for the deal in a heart beat). RJ seems to be deemed untouchable and Brunson management just sold out to go get.

If the Bucks do not retain Middleton, I could see a future where Giannis hits the market, that will always be my guy to offer the farm for. Jaylen Brown could hit the market if he wanted to be more of a top-billing guy...

At this point in their careers, if they blow it up in Clipper town by the deadline would you trade assets for PG? Kawhi?

Who are the players you are targeting over the next year as the next disgruntled player?

[Polk377]

Save this for after Mitchell thread #6

[WargamesX]

Save this for after Mitchell thread #6

He's jumping topics. This is a Thread #8 question.... Maybe Thread #9 depending on if Mitchell tweets a NYC based emoji and all the reports interpret as the trade is imminent.

[nedleeds]

Another bad fitting ball dominant guard who doesn't play defense. Otherwise what's the point? Collin Sexton on a max after he switches over to CAA and has Sam Rose as his agent.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This is a good discussion and I think it was already a thread or part of a thread at least. I would have to say that someone is made available every year... usually more than one player. If we DON'T get Mitchell we will still have a huge pile of assets to trade. The player to be named in the future is the big question. I have no answer right now but...it will most likely present itself as it always does. Out of the blue.

They still need to retain as many assets as they can in this deal because the team will need to get over the hump to contend. Brunson/Mitchell isn't winning a chip.

[Richard4444]

1) Wiggins next season for cheap. Lesser player. Better fit.

2) Zion, Giannis, AD, Booker, Brown, Lavine, Fox, Sabonis - Some of these names will be on the trade block or ask for a trade in 3 years from now.

[knicksNOTslick]

Was the writing on the wall prior to the playoffs that Mitchell was gonna be available this offseason?

You just gotta wait for the next superstar on a playoff team with championship aspirations to underachieve badly and get bounced out in the first round.

Look at the players that are available in trades and trade rumors.

KD and Kyrie=bounced out of the 1st and SWEPT
Gobert and DMitch=bounced out of the 1st

Ben Simmons dragged a whole season of wanting to be dealt after the playoff series he did badly in.

We're the only team who gave the bag to our star after he laid an egg in the first round. Julius Randle should have been made available.

[nykballa2k4]

Was the writing on the wall prior to the playoffs that Mitchell was gonna be available this offseason?

You just gotta wait for the next superstar on a playoff team with championship aspirations to underachieve badly and get bounced out in the first round.

Look at the players that are available in trades and trade rumors.

KD and Kyrie=bounced out of the 1st and SWEPT
Gobert and DMitch=bounced out of the 1st

Ben Simmons dragged a whole season of wanting to be dealt after the playoff series he did badly in.

We're the only team who gave the bag to our star after he laid an egg in the first round. Julius Randle should have been made available.

There was chatter after the fan treatment of Jah and them

[Sark]

Just keep building around what we have.

In the history of the NBA, it's extremely rare to trade all your assets for a player, and then win a championship. In fact, I can only think of the Raptors who traded for a star and won, except they didn't give up everything and had a playoff team already.

Just about every championship team has drafted their top players, or in the Lakers case, sign them as free agents. But the Lakers are an exception to everything.

These types of trades never end in success. We will make a playoff or two, but this will set us back a decade. No assets to trade for other players, and no cap space to sign someone.

[thebuzzardman]

Trade Randle, Robinson, RJ, Brunson, Fournier, Rose, Grimes, IQ, Cam, etc and start over

[Jalen Bluntson]

Just keep building around what we have.

In the history of the NBA, it's extremely rare to trade all your assets for a player, and then win a championship. In fact, I can only think of the Raptors who traded for a star and won, except they didn't give up everything and had a playoff team already.

Just about every championship team has drafted their top players, or in the Lakers case, sign them as free agents. But the Lakers are an exception to everything.

These types of trades never end in success. We will make a playoff or two, but this will set us back a decade. No assets to trade for other players, and no cap space to sign someone.

The Lakers traded for AD. That worked out for them. I'm sure there are others as well.

The issue here is...as I have stated...what they can do AFTER a trade for a star. This team is already capped out and have several players due for money sooner than later. They won't be signing anyone in FA that's a star any time soon. They obviously aren't interested in drafting a star either. So the end result of any star trade for this team is to have assets left over to make yet another star trade. Otherwise... it's a wrap.

Their plan is trade for talent. They blew it by giving Randle that money and Evan too. That was a cap disaster. Unless they can use those salaries in trades. RJ due for an extension within a year is another issue. If they play the cards right and get lucky in doing so...they can add two stars...if Mitchell is one of them and they don't get mugged by Ainge. This looks like the plan as far as I can see.

[Sark]

Just keep building around what we have.

In the history of the NBA, it's extremely rare to trade all your assets for a player, and then win a championship. In fact, I can only think of the Raptors who traded for a star and won, except they didn't give up everything and had a playoff team already.

Just about every championship team has drafted their top players, or in the Lakers case, sign them as free agents. But the Lakers are an exception to everything.

These types of trades never end in success. We will make a playoff or two, but this will set us back a decade. No assets to trade for other players, and no cap space to sign someone.

The Lakers traded for AD. That worked out for them. I'm sure there are others as well.

The issue here is...as I have stated...what they can do AFTER a trade for a star. This team is already capped out and have several players due for money sooner than later. They won't be signing anyone in FA that's a star any time soon. They obviously aren't interested in drafting a star either. So the end result of any star trade for this team is to have assets left over to make yet another star trade. Otherwise... it's a wrap.

Their plan is trade for talent. They blew it by giving Randle that money and Evan too. That was a cap disaster. Unless they can use those salaries in trades. RJ due for an extension within a year is another issue. If they play the cards right and get lucky in doing so...they can add two stars...if Mitchell is one of them and they don't get mugged by Ainge. This looks like the plan as far as I can see.

Lakers had Lebron. They needed another piece.

The Knicks have Randle, Brunson, and RJ. We're not even a playoff team at the moment.

Davis is also a much much better player than Mitchell.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Just keep building around what we have.

In the history of the NBA, it's extremely rare to trade all your assets for a player, and then win a championship. In fact, I can only think of the Raptors who traded for a star and won, except they didn't give up everything and had a playoff team already.

Just about every championship team has drafted their top players, or in the Lakers case, sign them as free agents. But the Lakers are an exception to everything.

These types of trades never end in success. We will make a playoff or two, but this will set us back a decade. No assets to trade for other players, and no cap space to sign someone.

The Lakers traded for AD. That worked out for them. I'm sure there are others as well.

The issue here is...as I have stated...what they can do AFTER a trade for a star. This team is already capped out and have several players due for money sooner than later. They won't be signing anyone in FA that's a star any time soon. They obviously aren't interested in drafting a star either. So the end result of any star trade for this team is to have assets left over to make yet another star trade. Otherwise... it's a wrap.

Their plan is trade for talent. They blew it by giving Randle that money and Evan too. That was a cap disaster. Unless they can use those salaries in trades. RJ due for an extension within a year is another issue. If they play the cards right and get lucky in doing so...they can add two stars...if Mitchell is one of them and they don't get mugged by Ainge. This looks like the plan as far as I can see.

Lakers had Lebron. They needed another piece.

The Knicks have Randle, Brunson, and RJ. We're not even a playoff team at the moment.

Davis is also a much much better player than Mitchell.

What's your point? You said teams never trade for stars and win a chip. The Lakers just did. The rest of my post is more important than that little bit of info. How much better is a guy who plays 40 games a year or whatever. Doesn't matter anyway.

The team is taking g the trade route. They aren't trading out of the lottery to build through the draft. They aren't gonna wait until Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch to come off the books to bring in someone either. There will be no cap space to add a star. They collected 22 picks over the next several drafts. They won't be using them to draft a star. Trade for talent is their entire plan.

Players ask out every year now. If they don't get Mitchell...they will wait for someone else.

[Sark]

The Lakers traded for AD. That worked out for them. I'm sure there are others as well.

The issue here is...as I have stated...what they can do AFTER a trade for a star. This team is already capped out and have several players due for money sooner than later. They won't be signing anyone in FA that's a star any time soon. They obviously aren't interested in drafting a star either. So the end result of any star trade for this team is to have assets left over to make yet another star trade. Otherwise... it's a wrap.

Their plan is trade for talent. They blew it by giving Randle that money and Evan too. That was a cap disaster. Unless they can use those salaries in trades. RJ due for an extension within a year is another issue. If they play the cards right and get lucky in doing so...they can add two stars...if Mitchell is one of them and they don't get mugged by Ainge. This looks like the plan as far as I can see.

Lakers had Lebron. They needed another piece.

The Knicks have Randle, Brunson, and RJ. We're not even a playoff team at the moment.

Davis is also a much much better player than Mitchell.

What's your point? You said teams never trade for stars and win a chip. The Lakers just did. The rest of my post is more important than that little bit of info. How much better is a guy who plays 40 games a year or whatever. Doesn't matter anyway.

The team is taking g the trade route. They aren't trading out of the lottery to build through the draft. They aren't gonna wait until Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch to come off the books to bring in someone either. There will be no cap space to add a star. They collected 22 picks over the next several drafts. They won't be using them to draft a star. Trade for talent is their entire plan.

Players ask out every year now. If they don't get Mitchell...they will wait for someone else.

I also said the Lakers are the exception to everything.

[knicksNOTslick]

Just keep building around what we have.

In the history of the NBA, it's extremely rare to trade all your assets for a player, and then win a championship. In fact, I can only think of the Raptors who traded for a star and won, except they didn't give up everything and had a playoff team already.

Just about every championship team has drafted their top players, or in the Lakers case, sign them as free agents. But the Lakers are an exception to everything.

These types of trades never end in success. We will make a playoff or two, but this will set us back a decade. No assets to trade for other players, and no cap space to sign someone.

The Lakers traded for AD. That worked out for them. I'm sure there are others as well.

The issue here is...as I have stated...what they can do AFTER a trade for a star. This team is already capped out and have several players due for money sooner than later. They won't be signing anyone in FA that's a star any time soon. They obviously aren't interested in drafting a star either. So the end result of any star trade for this team is to have assets left over to make yet another star trade. Otherwise... it's a wrap.

Their plan is trade for talent. They blew it by giving Randle that money and Evan too. That was a cap disaster. Unless they can use those salaries in trades. RJ due for an extension within a year is another issue. If they play the cards right and get lucky in doing so...they can add two stars...if Mitchell is one of them and they don't get mugged by Ainge. This looks like the plan as far as I can see.

Lakers had Lebron. They needed another piece.

The Knicks have Randle, Brunson, and RJ. We're not even a playoff team at the moment.

Davis is also a much much better player than Mitchell.

Don't worry we're just working the opposite way. We're gonna get Lebron last.

Right after we draft Bronny, which would be the most Knicks are gonna Knick thing to happen for our beloved franchise.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Lakers had Lebron. They needed another piece.

The Knicks have Randle, Brunson, and RJ. We're not even a playoff team at the moment.

Davis is also a much much better player than Mitchell.

What's your point? You said teams never trade for stars and win a chip. The Lakers just did. The rest of my post is more important than that little bit of info. How much better is a guy who plays 40 games a year or whatever. Doesn't matter anyway.

The team is taking g the trade route. They aren't trading out of the lottery to build through the draft. They aren't gonna wait until Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch to come off the books to bring in someone either. There will be no cap space to add a star. They collected 22 picks over the next several drafts. They won't be using them to draft a star. Trade for talent is their entire plan.

Players ask out every year now. If they don't get Mitchell...they will wait for someone else.

I also said the Lakers are the exception to everything.

Ok. Whatever that means.

So how do we build around what we have? You keep ignoring the actual substance of the post. I agree with your idea but...reality says they are not going to be able to sign FAs. They aren't looking to draft talent obviously so...how do they do it? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. From what I see...the trade route is their path. What changes that.

[Sark]

What's your point? You said teams never trade for stars and win a chip. The Lakers just did. The rest of my post is more important than that little bit of info. How much better is a guy who plays 40 games a year or whatever. Doesn't matter anyway.

The team is taking g the trade route. They aren't trading out of the lottery to build through the draft. They aren't gonna wait until Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch to come off the books to bring in someone either. There will be no cap space to add a star. They collected 22 picks over the next several drafts. They won't be using them to draft a star. Trade for talent is their entire plan.

Players ask out every year now. If they don't get Mitchell...they will wait for someone else.

I also said the Lakers are the exception to everything.

Ok. Whatever that means.

So how do we build around what we have? You keep ignoring the actual substance of the post. I agree with your idea but...reality says they are not going to be able to sign FAs. They aren't looking to draft talent obviously so...how do they do it? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. From what I see...the trade route is their path. What changed that.

Instead of using 6-8 picks to get a fringe star, instead use them to move up in a loaded draft and get an impact player that we can develop and control for 8+ years.

The way the other 28 teams build.

The Lakers are the Lakers and will always attract the top players, and don't have to build like anyone else.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I also said the Lakers are the exception to everything.

Ok. Whatever that means.

So how do we build around what we have? You keep ignoring the actual substance of the post. I agree with your idea but...reality says they are not going to be able to sign FAs. They aren't looking to draft talent obviously so...how do they do it? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. From what I see...the trade route is their path. What changed that.

Instead of using 6-8 picks to get a fringe star, instead use them to move up in a loaded draft and get an impact player that we can develop and control for 8+ years.

The way the other 28 teams build.

The Lakers are the Lakers and will always attract the top players, and don't have to build like anyone else.

Using picks to trade up in a draft for an unproven player? Does that seem like what this team is about to do? They just traded out of the lottery to free up cap space to sign Brunson (who may be an all star level talent himself). They seem intent on TRADING picks/players to build their team.

If they don't trade for Mitchell...I could see them trying to get KD or something or waiting for next year's disgruntled star...who will probably be Mitchell by then...or whoever.

I don't see them looking to trade up in the draft but...it wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Maybe if they strike out in all trade attempts they try that next year.

[Clyde_Style]

If a trade doesn't happen, just stay the course, let Brunson blossom, RJ grow and, if he is still here, let Randle learn how to be a productive third fiddle.

Play Obi 25 minutes and see what happens.

You really cannot predict this coming season. It could generate a highly respectable amount of positive results without making any big trades.

And then you're in an even more dynamic position having one of the best stashes of picks and young, developing players in the NBA who will be worth more than they are today.

[Adelheid]

The knicks are going for proven mid-career/young talent instead of aarp guys. They would still draft yutes if they see someone interesting, but proven talent seems to be the priority. This is the knicks style now imo, they seem to be done about gambling on 18/19/20 year olds which isnt working so far for them.