Off-Season Volume 6 - The One Where Someone (Darius Days) Signs

[3ballbomber]

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Might be the case, just don't think I've ever seen Jimmy post 3pt shooting workouts where he's not just doing this. Might just be because he's not hitting as frequently in those workouts so there not post worthy. But just would be nice to see he's putting an emphasis on in game type of shooting mechanics.

Yep, he'll only post makes. These pro's will be put through their paces & challenged. Have no doubt he'd have done rapid pull-ups & game speed 3s. At that level they also do timed drills that require quicker releases.

Here's one alternating between defender & none

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I saw this one too. Still think it's pointless practicing shooting like this. The last shot he took he's kicking his legs forward and sideways and not staying balanced at all.

I'd be able to buy the way he's shooting just being a thing he's doing in practice to improve his technique if most of his in game attempts didn't also look like this. Honestly don't know how he works with NBA level trainers and they don't harp on him constantly about correcting his form/technique. Especially when he's shooting 24% from 3 since joining Miami.

It's why he has poor in-game 3pt shooting form. Amazes me how many pro players w/ average shooting % or poor FT shooters that don't address the issue properly when they have the best trainers at their disposal.

[twix2500]

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Herro

You can’t post this and say, ok let’s move on! This is a serious cause for concern, especially when factoring in a new contract is looming. The team consistently sucks when he’s on the court, this has to change.

We’ll see what moves are made but if he’s here next year it has to change

Still do not understand why we are focusing on the starting unit. That has never been the problem. Its been the closing unit that the Heat struggle with.

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Sorry to bump this days old discussion. Our focus as the team is currently constructed, the debate should be who should be starting in the last five minutes of the game.

IMO for this year it is important that Herro and Dipo come off the bench together and learn how to be a effective tandem. I think as the season progress Dipo and Herro as a guard tandem would be great in closing games.

[puppa bear]

Spoiler:

Yep, he'll only post makes. These pro's will be put through their paces & challenged. Have no doubt he'd have done rapid pull-ups & game speed 3s. At that level they also do timed drills that require quicker releases.

Here's one alternating between defender & none

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I saw this one too. Still think it's pointless practicing shooting like this. The last shot he took he's kicking his legs forward and sideways and not staying balanced at all.

I'd be able to buy the way he's shooting just being a thing he's doing in practice to improve his technique if most of his in game attempts didn't also look like this. Honestly don't know how he works with NBA level trainers and they don't harp on him constantly about correcting his form/technique. Especially when he's shooting 24% from 3 since joining Miami.

It's why he has poor in-game 3pt shooting form. Amazes me how many pro players w/ average shooting % or poor FT shooters that don't address the issue properly when they have the best trainers at their disposal.

At some point trainers & coaches just work with what’s there and tinker slightly.

I coached a former UCLA player who played low-level pro for a few years. By the time I coached them (2nd year out) their shot was hideously low & had a hitch in it. But it was efficient with enough space & their handles & speed were good enough to create the separation needed at the levels they played. Towards the end of the season I asked about the shooting stroke & they said no one tried to change anything, just made it quicker, more consistent and with a better arc.

Edit: I didn’t have the heart to tell them that their shot likely made their earning 50% lower than where they could have maxed out at, or more.

[HeatIn5]

Big trade. Thanks OP. OP did it.

Cost controlled 24 year old star for 2 30 year old UFA's .

Y'all welcome. Biggest thread of the year thanks to OP

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?

I know none of these people. Did we win?

Neither am I. But according to twitter and hockey forums not by a long shot. The Panthers get a great player but gave up the house and future picks for him. Like the Heat getting Young Durant but trade Jimmy, Herro, Bam, Duncan and first round picks just for Durant and extended Durant to a huge contract without know if Durant would eventually become a top 3 player in the league.

Not at all true.

The panthers traded 2 guys on expiring contracts (close to 30), 1 young player and 1 pick for a 24 year old who is one of the best players in the league already.

They also saved a ton of cap on the deal

Great deal

[greg4012]

The question I keep asking myself is :

Just how much better would a post injury Myles Turner be over Yurt?
Just how much better a 31 YO Barns is going to be in our system then a Highsmith?

The point is - we can upgrade some positions, but the cost is going to be huge and the gap in actual production might be relatively minor.

It might be a boom or bust offseason in the sense that if we can't get a bonafide game changer first option guy n(Mitchell, KD, maybe Kyrie) then we'd be better off just staying put and keeping all our assets until that game changer or another player of that caliber becomes available.

I can see a world where Yurt + Highsmith + Days are giving us 75% of the production a Turner + Barnes combo gives, but at about 10% of the cost.

Getting slightly better this offseason might not be the smart asset management strategy if the end goal is a championship.

From an asset management standpoint we should be going for Lowry/Duncan for Westbrook/pick type trade, if it’s being offered. Make Lakers bid against Mavs (or whoever else is into Lowry) to load up on assets, while not taking too huge a hit on-court.

Swinging for Westbrook opens more minutes for the Herro/Dipo combo without forcing a Strus/Duncan choice on Spo. That might allow Spo to start Herro and help boost his value before the deadline. If we also have a 3rd pick to deal (& can unlock the 4th via OKC) then we’re actually sitting pretty well in a trade scenario.

(1) I bet it’s not being offered

(2) There are surely other avenues to acquire a first that don’t involve pure gamble hope that holding Westbrook will end up moving the needle in a trade for KD

(3) trading for Westbrook and not netting a deal for KD off of it leaves us wholly worse for this season and is effectively punting the season

[Flash4thewin]

He's in remission. That's great news.

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BASKETBALL is not that important. We all would have understood if left the team for a bit.

yeah i agree. family takes precedence in a case like this one. glad that the kid's cancer is in remission. there's one thing that i dislike and that's watching children suffer because disease or abuse

Family comes first 100%. I hope his son is ok and gets better. I love how he has his dads smile

[twix2500]

I saw this one too. Still think it's pointless practicing shooting like this. The last shot he took he's kicking his legs forward and sideways and not staying balanced at all.

I'd be able to buy the way he's shooting just being a thing he's doing in practice to improve his technique if most of his in game attempts didn't also look like this. Honestly don't know how he works with NBA level trainers and they don't harp on him constantly about correcting his form/technique. Especially when he's shooting 24% from 3 since joining Miami.

It's why he has poor in-game 3pt shooting form. Amazes me how many pro players w/ average shooting % or poor FT shooters that don't address the issue properly when they have the best trainers at their disposal.

At some point trainers & coaches just work with what’s there and tinker slightly.

I coached a former UCLA player who played low-level pro for a few years. By the time I coached them (2nd year out) their shot was hideously low & had a hitch in it. But it was efficient with enough space & their handles & speed were good enough to create the separation needed at the levels they played. Towards the end of the season I asked about the shooting stroke & they said no one tried to change anything, just made it quicker, more consistent and with a better arc.

Edit: I didn’t have the heart to tell them that their shot likely made their earning 50% lower than where they could have maxed out at, or more.

Who says he is training with a shooting coach. He probably just has a trainer with him. Someone to workout with, not a coach. Be careful when you watch these workout videos and assuming they are with a coach.

Changing forms doesn't instantly translate to improve shot. Changing forms usually will initially make them shoot worse but with a higher potential to get better over time. It takes time to get use to a new form. On an NBA level could take a whole year.

Jimmy has an issue with his feet moreso than his stroke. Which I am sure he is aware of. In the playoffs he changed his footing by shooting flat-footed like a free throw from the three point line.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Damn I'm really sorry to hear the Spo family was suffering through that. I'd like to retroactively take back any chit I talked about Spo last season

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Jimmy has an issue with his feet moreso than his stroke. Which I am sure he is aware of. In the playoffs he changed his footing by shooting flat-footed like a free throw from the three point line.

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Seeing that was mystifying to me because my recollection of pre-Heat Jimmy (when he was a passable 3pt shooter) is of his jump shooting involving a lot of jumping into the shot, even when he was taking open 3s. Here's a short clip of him as a Bull in the 2017 yoffs and you can see him getting good elevation on his 3s:

*If you don't wanna watch the entire 1:42 just skip to 0:25, 0:45 and 1:05

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Ok here we go, an analysis of Jimmy's shooting form from 2015

Starts at 0:30

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This shows it all, the good elevation and jumping into the shot even when he's wide open. It's like the polar opposite of the 3pt set shots he was taking last yoffs

Honestly I'm wondering if knee/ankle injuries over the years has resulted in Butler shying away from his former shooting form

[wade44]

Ok here we go, an analysis of Jimmy's shooting form from 2015

Starts at 0:30

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This shows it all, the good elevation and jumping into the shot even when he's wide open. It's like the polar opposite of the 3pt set shots he was taking last yoffs

Honestly I'm wondering if knee/ankle injuries over the years has resulted in Butler shying away from his former shooting form

Could be that. Could also be a simple decline in athleticism where he doesn't have the same lift on his shot. He will be 33 in less than 2 months

[greg4012]

He seems to be banking on a reliable set shot from 3 creating a dynamic where he either (1) gets off consistent clean look that he can hit at a high rate when defenders are sagging off of him packing the paint or (2) attacking the paint and beating his man for a look (or creating for others) when a defender is playing him up around the 3 point line.

He definitely won't be a reliable source as a go-to 3 point shooter hunting looks with this, but if he can have an option to find points against either manner of defense, then it'll work for us. Should eventually help our spacing as well.

[HEATVols865]

Damn I'm really sorry to hear the Spo family was suffering through that. I'd like to retroactively take back any chit I talked about Spo last season

I wish his son and his family well. Doesn’t take away from his chitty azz coaching and his idiotic comments and lineups.
Both sentiments can coexist.


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[HEATVols865]

So the thread has gone so bad that now we are bashing the only player who consistently performed in the playoffs?
Why isn’t anyone trying to fix Herro’s game or Bam’s shot?
Y’all GTFOH


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[MHeat0279]

This one fits like a glove, finally found it.

Superiority complex is a term coined by Alfred Adler in the early 1900s, as part of his school of individual psychology.

One of many views on superiority complex is that it is a defense mechanism that develops over time to help a person cope with feelings of inferiority.[1][2] Individuals with this complex typically come across as supercilious, haughty, and disdainful toward others. They may treat others in an imperious, overbearing, and even aggressive manner.[3][4]

In everyday usage, the term "superiority complex" is used to refer to an overly high opinion of oneself.

[Spacely]

So the thread has gone so bad that now we are bashing the only player who consistently performed in the playoffs?
Why isn’t anyone trying to fix Herro’s game or Bam’s shot?
Y’all GTFOH


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Yeah they were terrible too but let’s not just forget that jimmy’s jumpshot has fallen off a cliff since coming to Miami

[greg4012]

Witch hunts are out of control on here right now

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Check this out

The shooting form clip I posted earlier with Jimmy getting elevation on his 3s was from 2015

Now here's Butler during the 2016 season going for 53 points which came almost exclusively from attacking the paint (he made 21 FTs this game lol) despite defenders giving him space on the 3pt line (you also see his defenders going under on screens and help defenders dropping down on switches). Note the 0:45 second mark with Jimmy taking a set shot 3:

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A season later (2017); kinda crazy to see Jimmy going for 52 points with most of it coming from jumpers. Note that it looks like he reverted back to getting elevation. His jumper was smooth and defenders were guarding him tight on the 3pt line:

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The clip I posted earlier of Jimmy getting elevation vs Boston in the yoffs was from the 2017 season as well

Now look at Jimmy's 3pt% by season:

2015 (elevation): 38% on 3.0 attempts
2016 (set shot): 31% on 3.1 attempts
2917 (elevation): 37% on 3.3 attempts

I don't know what he has to do to get his lift back or if it's even possible, but if he's somehow able to do it then my guess is that Jimmy would regain the outside shooting competency he demonstrated in Chicago

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[Hallstar]

So the thread has gone so bad that now we are bashing the only player who consistently performed in the playoffs?
Why isn’t anyone trying to fix Herro’s game or Bam’s shot?
Y’all GTFOH


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Because we'll be paying him 45 mil+ soon at a time he's likely to lose athleticism and is already often on the injury list. Would be nice to know he can regain the ability to hit a jumper