Off-Season Volume 7: Hello Darkness my only friend

[greg4012]

Just got off the phone Saucess, quick update.

Brooklyn is using the Boston offer as the best standing offer to beat, however this offer does not include Smart, looks like Boston has yet to give in Brooklyns request. Miami on the other hand, has not given in to giving up Bam as well. Instead they had a deal in place to give up struss for an added pick not previously shown to brooklyn, which is the current offer in place as of this afternoon. At this point Miami is at an end for adding any further picks or assets, management feels this is the best they can do. They will not gut the available depth to get Durant. If Boston gives in they could take Durant which is why Miami went to their last avenue. Bam is a hard no, from our top executive, they will bypass Durant trade before getting rid of Bam.

Thanks for the update ICC. ...Good news and bad news here, IMO. No way I would part with Bam either, and it is good to know team is for certain not going to do so for Durant. Bad news is Durant is headed elsewhere now unless he comes out and says explicitly says he wants Miami only which he obviously does not. So Boston already tops our best offer, so we are now unofficially out.

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

[heatwillbeback]

If Brown is there we ain’t beating it. I see it as that simple.

Now maybe we can engage some more to get Bostons price up. May be worthy of the effort if it makes him more expensive.

But we ain’t beating a Jaylen led offer.

[inhabitMiami]

Just got off the phone Saucess, quick update.

Brooklyn is using the Boston offer as the best standing offer to beat, however this offer does not include Smart, looks like Boston has yet to give in Brooklyns request. Miami on the other hand, has not given in to giving up Bam as well. Instead they had a deal in place to give up struss for an added pick not previously shown to brooklyn, which is the current offer in place as of this afternoon. At this point Miami is at an end for adding any further picks or assets, management feels this is the best they can do. They will not gut the available depth to get Durant. If Boston gives in they could take Durant which is why Miami went to their last avenue. Bam is a hard no, from our top executive, they will bypass Durant trade before getting rid of Bam.

Thanks for the update ICC. ...Good news and bad news here, IMO. No way I would part with Bam either, and it is good to know team is for certain not going to do so for Durant. Bad news is Durant is headed elsewhere now unless he comes out and says explicitly says he wants Miami only which he obviously does not. So Boston already tops our best offer, so we are now unofficially out.

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

No offer Miami can scrounge up is better than Brown.

[HeatFanLifer]

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[AEGBRG]

Just got off the phone Saucess, quick update.

Brooklyn is using the Boston offer as the best standing offer to beat, however this offer does not include Smart, looks like Boston has yet to give in Brooklyns request. Miami on the other hand, has not given in to giving up Bam as well. Instead they had a deal in place to give up struss for an added pick not previously shown to brooklyn, which is the current offer in place as of this afternoon. At this point Miami is at an end for adding any further picks or assets, management feels this is the best they can do. They will not gut the available depth to get Durant. If Boston gives in they could take Durant which is why Miami went to their last avenue. Bam is a hard no, from our top executive, they will bypass Durant trade before getting rid of Bam.

Thanks for the update ICC. ...Good news and bad news here, IMO. No way I would part with Bam either, and it is good to know team is for certain not going to do so for Durant. Bad news is Durant is headed elsewhere now unless he comes out and says explicitly says he wants Miami only which he obviously does not. So Boston already tops our best offer, so we are now unofficially out.

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

That was not my read but my opinion -- Boston's offer of Brown, White and a 1st (that Brooklyn rejected) is already better than our best offer. Also, ICC confirmed through his source Durant is willing to go to Boston as well. Bottom line is trade for Durant is not going to happen unless Bam in involved and he is not going to be. So we just do not have the assets to make a deal without including him.

[greg4012]

Thanks for the update ICC. ...Good news and bad news here, IMO. No way I would part with Bam either, and it is good to know team is for certain not going to do so for Durant. Bad news is Durant is headed elsewhere now unless he comes out and says explicitly says he wants Miami only which he obviously does not. So Boston already tops our best offer, so we are now unofficially out.

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

No offer Miami can scrounge up is better than Brown.

Fair--but it's 2 years of Brown only and then he's full fledge FA. Is that really better than recouping picks for a rebuild/regroup (plus young talent)? I think it's debatable but I very much understand that take.

For me, the value of Brown and forgoing picks is influenced by how much faith I have in Simmons and Kyrie (very little).

[ixeleven]

Just got off the phone Saucess, quick update.

Brooklyn is using the Boston offer as the best standing offer to beat, however this offer does not include Smart, looks like Boston has yet to give in Brooklyns request. Miami on the other hand, has not given in to giving up Bam as well. Instead they had a deal in place to give up struss for an added pick not previously shown to brooklyn, which is the current offer in place as of this afternoon. At this point Miami is at an end for adding any further picks or assets, management feels this is the best they can do. They will not gut the available depth to get Durant. If Boston gives in they could take Durant which is why Miami went to their last avenue. Bam is a hard no, from our top executive, they will bypass Durant trade before getting rid of Bam.

So what’s the heat’s current standing offer?

[greg4012]

Thanks for the update ICC. ...Good news and bad news here, IMO. No way I would part with Bam either, and it is good to know team is for certain not going to do so for Durant. Bad news is Durant is headed elsewhere now unless he comes out and says explicitly says he wants Miami only which he obviously does not. So Boston already tops our best offer, so we are now unofficially out.

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

That was not my read but my opinion -- Boston's offer of Brown, White and a 1st (that Brooklyn rejected) is already better than our best offer. Also, ICC confirmed through his source Durant is willing to go to Boston as well. Bottom line is trade for Durant is not going to happen unless Bam in involved and he is not going to be. So we just do not have the assets to make a deal without including him.

Fair take--been seeking clarity on the Boston offer. Did the Shams report (article in the Athletic) confirm that it was a first round pick offered? I know the RealGM headline states it, but I don't put much stock in whatever RealGM uses for headline generators.

[AEGBRG]

I didn't read it as Boston's current offer tops our best offer. I read it that Brooklyn entered the day saying "hey suitors, I have this offer from Boston, what can you add to your offer to further entice us?" Miami represented a willingness to offer an additional first round pick (from another team)--presumably bringing the total to 4?

The question is where that offer stacks up with the Boston offer and if Boston would give in on Smart and/or additional picks. They're capable of doing so. But will they?

ICC any clarity on this?

That was not my read but my opinion -- Boston's offer of Brown, White and a 1st (that Brooklyn rejected) is already better than our best offer. Also, ICC confirmed through his source Durant is willing to go to Boston as well. Bottom line is trade for Durant is not going to happen unless Bam in involved and he is not going to be. So we just do not have the assets to make a deal without including him.

Fair take--been seeking clarity on the Boston offer. Did the Shams report (article in the Athletic) confirm that it was a first round pick offered? I know the RealGM headline states it, but I don't put much stock in whatever RealGM uses for headline generators.

I am pretty sure in the notification I got this morning was also a 1st round pick but could possibly be wrong about that. Also think it's kind of mute considering our final offer is one more 1st round pick by trading Struss. Doubt that is going to move the needle much when Brown and white are being offered.

[greg4012]

That was not my read but my opinion -- Boston's offer of Brown, White and a 1st (that Brooklyn rejected) is already better than our best offer. Also, ICC confirmed through his source Durant is willing to go to Boston as well. Bottom line is trade for Durant is not going to happen unless Bam in involved and he is not going to be. So we just do not have the assets to make a deal without including him.

Fair take--been seeking clarity on the Boston offer. Did the Shams report (article in the Athletic) confirm that it was a first round pick offered? I know the RealGM headline states it, but I don't put much stock in whatever RealGM uses for headline generators.

I am pretty sure in the notification I got this morning was also a 1st round pick but could possibly be wrong about that. Also think it's kind of mute considering our final offer is one more 1st round pick by trading Struss. Doubt that is going to move the needle much when Brown and white are being offered.

White is a total neutral at best asset IMO. Brown is everything here. And I understand those who value Brown as greater than our package.

Still haven't seen source material confirming the Celtics are offering a first round pick:

https://theathletic.com/news/celtics-kevin-durant-trade-nets/z4DyAITKIRqn/

https://theathletic.com/3446562/2022/07/25/celtics-offer-jaylen-brown-package-for-kevin-durant-the-latest-on-donovan-mitchell-and-more-inside-pass/

[IceColdCubano]

The offer in place, I don't have the team deals information breakout, what I know what's heading out, its Lowry heading to another team, Herro, Yurt & Duncan heading to another team I was told (pick up 1 RFP) with players heading back, Struss (pick up 1 RFP) heading to another team, 3 RFP's unlocking OKC.
Total RFP's out to Nets 5, with Herro and 2 other players headed to Brooklyn not from Miami.

[wadenation305]

Pivot, go get Turner and Hield or something cheaper and without giving up Herro. Funny thing is that the nets will probably lose Brown for nothing after the following season. So, it will all be for nothing really. Brown is not going to stay for SImmons and Kyrie is out the door as soon as the season is over. At least if they had Herro, they could extend him and have him locked up long term.

[greg4012]

The offer in place
Total RFP's out to Nets 5, with Herro and 2 other players headed to Brooklyn not from Miami.

vs

Brown-White and "draft pick" (not clear to me its a first)




Boston obviously has the ability to up the ante and close the book on this thing. But as things stand is Boston's offer really clear cut better for 2 years of Brown before he's an UFA?

[HeatFanLifer]

Wasn’t Jaylen Brown the Nets pick to begin with that they traded to Boston for KG/Pierce? Things coming full circle.

[Flash4thewin]

If it wasn't painfully obvious we didnt have the right assets today should nail that in the head for everyone. The other things we need to consider is the trade market will get more expensive the moment the rumored Knick deals happens. We should start moving in another direction to secure a starting PF because todays price won't be tomorrows price. Brown trumps all over unless be add Bam, also Brown gets traded with his bird rights, so saying 2 years and hes gone is not accurate. The Nets can pay him the max.

[greg4012]

Pivot, go get Turner and Hield or something cheaper and without giving up Herro. Funny thing is that the nets will probably lose Brown for nothing after the following season. So, it will all be for nothing really. Brown is not going to stay for SImmons and Kyrie is out the door as soon as the season is over. At least if they had Herro, they could extend him and have him locked up long term.

Brokeback Simmons isn't gonna save that franchise. I know my whole perspective is warped by being astronomically lower on Simmons than most.

[AEGBRG]

I think the biggest news of the day though since the Boston offer is being reported as "old news" is that Durant is not all-in on going to Miami or Phoenix. He clearly is open to going to Boston as well and who knows who else on top of that. Riley seems to have done all that he can (can't force Durant to come here and only here).

[inhabitMiami]

The offer in place, I don't have the team deals information breakout, what I know what's heading out, its Lowry heading to another team, Herro, Yurt & Duncan heading to another team I was told (pick up 1 RFP) with players heading back, Struss (pick up 1 RFP) heading to another team, 3 RFP's unlocking OKC.
Total RFP's out to Nets 5, with Herro and 2 other players headed to Brooklyn not from Miami.

Ok, Herro + 5 firsts + 2 other players is actually a really **** good offer and I still think is competitive with Boston's current offer, especially since Brown will be a FA.

[wadenation305]

Pivot, go get Turner and Hield or something cheaper and without giving up Herro. Funny thing is that the nets will probably lose Brown for nothing after the following season. So, it will all be for nothing really. Brown is not going to stay for SImmons and Kyrie is out the door as soon as the season is over. At least if they had Herro, they could extend him and have him locked up long term.

Brokeback Simmons isn't gonna save that franchise. I know my whole perspective is warped by being astronomically lower on Simmons than most.

Not only that the dude really has brought a bad rap unto himself of being the softest guy in the league. Unless he magically stops being the size of Herro's wee wee mentally and also learns how to shoot his value is not going up anytime soon.

[IceColdCubano]

I think the biggest news of the day though since the Boston offer is being reported as "old news" is that Durant is not all-in on going to Miami or Phoenix. He clearly is open to going to Boston as well and who knows who else on top of that. Riley seems to have done all that he can (can't force Durant to come here and only here).

The only reason the Boston offer is being used for negotiation at this time is because it was green lit by Durant as of this morning, he probably was told about a week ago and has been mulling it over himself. They are probably telling him he isn't going anywhere based on current offers and he is getting antsy.