NBA Launches (Bogus) Investigation Of Sixers' Signing Of James Harden

[monopoman]

Either way this is bad for the Sixers if they promised him a bigger deal in the future after this 2 years is over that flies in the face of the salary cap. If they gave him some sponsorship deal worth the difference in the contract that also flies in the face of the salary cap. If they allow this **** then a team like the Warriors could sign a max player for the vet min, then have some sponsorship deal offered to the player to make up the difference.

The entire point of the salary cap is to prevent any one team from acquiring players no matter what. It's to limit a team from just continually chasing the biggest name players ever year.

People saying this is not a big deal would really love the direction of the NBA if this becomes more common place we are talking potential super teams so beyond the level we are used to seeing it would be unreal.

[jstross]

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Either way this is bad for the Sixers if they promised him a bigger deal in the future after this 2 years is over that flies in the face of the salary cap. If they gave him some sponsorship deal worth the difference in the contract that also flies in the face of the salary cap. If they allow this **** then a team like the Warriors could sign a max player for the vet min, then have some sponsorship deal offered to the player to make up the difference.

The entire point of the salary cap is to prevent any one team from acquiring players no matter what. It's to limit a team from just continually chasing the biggest name players ever year.

People saying this is not a big deal would really love the direction of the NBA if this becomes more common place we are talking potential super teams so beyond the level we are used to seeing it would be unreal.

[monopoman]

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Thanks for this insightful post bro, none of us know how much evidence they have of what went on. This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place. No matter what this investigation uncovers I doubt we get any of the hard evidence posted here, so it will be the NBA investigating then determining what they can find.

[jstross]

NBA would have to show wrong doing and would definitly make it public, so we'll see. And, I'm a Sixers fan, but if Moray left forensic evidence on this he's a moron and my team deserves to be penalized. Brunson to NY was blatant so we'll see.

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Thanks for this insightful post bro, none of us know how much evidence they have of what went on. This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place. No matter what this investigation uncovers I doubt we get any of the hard evidence posted here, so it will be the NBA investigating then determining what they can find.

[BallerTalk]

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This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

How is that in any way "ridiculous"???

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place.

I'm starting to think there are far more accusations in this thread than in the actual investigation.

[xdrta+]

This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

That's kind of the purpose of a trial, you know, to decide if someone is guilty. And a few people say that he signed this contract with Fanatics--where is this reported? I can find nothing about it, where are we getting this from? Anyone?

[jstross]

I looked for the fanatic contract as well and nada. All conhecture at this point coming from Marks nad Miami. They're unhappy with how things played out, simple as that.

This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

That's kind of the purpose of a trial, you know, to decide if someone is guilty. And a few people say that he signed this contract with Fanatics--where is this reported? I can find nothing about it, where are we getting this from? Anyone?

[cochiseuofm]

I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers. I knew it should have been $46m. Two million more than LeBron. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot Doc Rivers to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That Russell Westbrook trade! Are you telling me that a man just happens to trade for Westbrook and then steps down for another job shortly after? No! He orchestrated it! Daryl! He defecated through our relationship with China! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I let him take over another team! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 30, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the trade market! But not our Daryl! Couldn't be precious Daryl! Stealing them blind! And HE gets to be in charge of the 76ers? What a sick joke!

[PennSports]

tldr

They Hate the Process

[Monky15]

Nothing wrong with star players working within the salary cap rules to add players to their teams, Harden still added an extra 20M of guaranteed money to his deal so if he suffers a career ending injury he won't be worse off than if he just picked up his option. He will likely opt out after next season and sign a new deal that will see him being an overpaid old guy eventually like Wall and Westbrook are now.

The people questioning "Where is there a report of this deal with Fanatics" (I'm not saying there is or isn't one). If it was as easy to find as a simple Google search then there would be no need for an investigation because everyone would know everything already.

Do people really think that when the NBA investigates something they are limited to the resources a standard netizen has? Maybe I could get a job as an investigator because I keep up with RealGM's Wiretap.

[NO-KG-AI]

This is ridiculous since they allow LeBron and klutch to basically manipulate the league in a myriad of ways based around those guys. You mean to tell me LeBron signs with a team and there isn’t a wink wink that it’ll help get the other Klutch guys paid? Come on man.

This would never happen to certain teams/players, just like the bogus penalty against the Bucks/Kings trade.

[Apz]

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Thanks for this insightful post bro, none of us know how much evidence they have of what went on. This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place. No matter what this investigation uncovers I doubt we get any of the hard evidence posted here, so it will be the NBA investigating then determining what they can find.

AH yeah, someone brought up on the american "justice" system, where u have to prove u are innocent instead of prosecutors prove that u did it. Its so backward its a wonder u actuallt drive on the right side of the road. Even Russia and north korea has that innocent until proven guilty BY the cort of law, america still got the guilty til u prove u are innocent in the court.

OT. My stance always been no country should be allowed more then 100 laws in total. Would remove all the **** that ends up in the laws and the people actually would be able to know all laws. If u want to add one, u have to remove 1. Would keep the moronic stuff out.

[Sofia]

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Thanks for this insightful post bro, none of us know how much evidence they have of what went on. This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place. No matter what this investigation uncovers I doubt we get any of the hard evidence posted here, so it will be the NBA investigating then determining what they can find.

AH yeah, someone brought up on the american "justice" system, where u have to prove u are innocent instead of prosecutors prove that u did it. Its so backward its a wonder u actuallt drive on the right side of the road. Even Russia and north korea has that innocent until proven guilty BY the cort of law, america still got the guilty til u prove u are innocent in the court.

OT. My stance always been no country should be allowed more then 100 laws in total. Would remove all the **** that ends up in the laws and the people actually would be able to know all laws. If u want to add one, u have to remove 1. Would keep the moronic stuff out.

You would fix the law by creating an artificially rigid system that would be incapable of keeping up with modern needs without sacrificing longstanding societal norms?

“Well we have a tough choice to make here, do we prohibit digital possession of CP, or do we keep trespassing laws?”

[Lockdown504090]

If, If, If. Zero evidence in the public realm at thi time. They'll need forensic evidence in the form of emails or texts.
Otherwise it's not enforcable.

Thanks for this insightful post bro, none of us know how much evidence they have of what went on. This is about as ridiculous as a murderer going on trial and you keep going well he is innocent until proven guilty!!

Acting like that completely negates everything he is accused of in the first place. No matter what this investigation uncovers I doubt we get any of the hard evidence posted here, so it will be the NBA investigating then determining what they can find.

It’s interesting though, because unless you have text messages that are explicit, morey is friends with these guys. Pj and harden would go to his kids birthday party, they talk a lot. Unless there’s something hard, this seems like it’s as difficult as proving Brunson tampering with his family in NY

[Sofia]

Has there ever been an investigation into why Miami keep signing Udonis Haslem to player contracts to be an assistant coach?

Over the past 7 seasons he has been paid about $26k per minute of court time (Only 666 minutes since 2015-16 inclusive).

Worth noting he also took a 50%+ pay cut in 2010

[The-Power]

You mean to tell me LeBron signs with a team and there isn’t a wink wink that it’ll help get the other Klutch guys paid? Come on man.

What does that have to do with anything? This investigation is about potentially breaking the rules (whether or not any rule was broken I don't know). What about your example is breaking the rules? This seems like you just want to vent about LeBron and Klutch even if that's something entirely unrelated.

[Myth]

A lot of this has to do with how quick a deal was struck with Tucker. So if Tucker had an agreement at 6:01 and this was after Harden already talked about a contract with Morey about him taking a pay cut, then they must have had contact conversations before 6pm.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10043790-nba-investigating-76ers-potentially-tampering-with-james-harden-free-agent-class

[NO-KG-AI]

You mean to tell me LeBron signs with a team and there isn’t a wink wink that it’ll help get the other Klutch guys paid? Come on man.

What does that have to do with anything? This investigation is about potentially breaking the rules (whether or not any rule was broken I don't know). What about your example is breaking the rules? This seems like you just want to vent about LeBron and Klutch even if that's something entirely unrelated.

Because teams are always having guys sign for “less” and then they make it back in other fashions, and are never investigated, just like 20 guys will sign a contract the second free agency starts and like 2 teams will get investigated.

You don’t think signing for a team with rhe condition that they will overpay the other guys on your agency isn’t against the rules? It is, if they can prove it. They have about as much proof as they are gonna have that Harden and Morey have a wink wink, which they probably do.

LeBron and Klutch are guilty of under the table wink wink stuff, and so are teams that sign a legend for cheaper with the idea that they’llr epay him later with coaching gigs or ownership stakes.

But the NBA has to pretend they put their foot down on teams and players they don’t value as much.

[NowWHYcee7]

So now when players take less money to help the team it must be tampering? Can't win no matter what.

[The-Power]

Because teams are always having guys sign for “less” and then they make it back in other fashions, and are never investigated, just like 20 guys will sign a contract the second free agency starts and like 2 teams will get investigated.

How do they make it back in other fashion? What examples are you talking about? Also keep in mind that the NBA appears to have launched the investigation upon formal complaint from a team. I'm sure the NBA would also investigate other teams in such a case if the minimum threshold for concern is reached.

Players signing with teams this early in FA is an issue under the CBA but it's commonplace and common practice by all (!) teams. It's essentially just a rule on paper. They only investigate when something really egregious happens (e.g. when it clearly harms another team). Either way, it's completely different from evading the salary cap by paying money on the side because it has much more serious implications (the entire salary cap structure would essentially become useless). That should be obvious (and again, I'm not claiming to know that this happened here).

You don’t think signing for a team with rhe condition that they will overpay the other guys on your agency isn’t against the rules? It is, if they can prove it. They have about as much proof as they are gonna have that Harden and Morey have a wink wink, which they probably do.

Care to show me the rule? Signing players as a favor to agents or upon demand from players happens all the time. I find it hard to believe that this is illegal under the CBA. Also, what constitutes an ‘overpay’ is subjective, and therefore inherently contentious and hardly something that can be enforced even if it was illegal. Very different from paying money on the side to circumvent the salary cap if there is any proof of it.

LeBron and Klutch are guilty of under the table wink wink stuff, and so are teams that sign a legend for cheaper with the idea that they’llr epay him later with coaching gigs or ownership stakes.

If illegal actions harm one team and that team files a complaint, I'm sure the NBA (has to) investigate. Do you have any proof of a team filing a complaint claiming circumvention of the CBA and the NBA just not doing any investigation whatsoever? If not, you're just accusing the NBA of (blatant) favoritism without any proof at all that they are indeed biased in their reactions to complaints, and then I don't think this is a conversation worth continuing because we're leaving reality and entering the territory of pure conjecture.