Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

Really strange that the Sexton front is as quiet as it is. Not a peep or rumor out of either side.

Different situations, but TT didn't sign until after the date for signing the Q.O. expired. J.R. waited all summer, threatened to sign with the process version of the Sixers, and only then worked out a deal.

[toooskies]

Really strange that the Sexton front is as quiet as it is. Not a peep or rumor out of either side.

Different situations, but TT didn't sign until after the date for signing the Q.O. expired. J.R. waited all summer, threatened to sign with the process version of the Sixers, and only then worked out a deal.

Sure. But by the time TT signed, we knew the Cavs' standing offer on the table, multiple specific contract proposals from Rich Paul, the Cavs' standing offer, LeBron's opinion, Brendan Haywood's opinion, who was exerting what influence, etc. etc.

All we've heard from Sexton's camp is that he wants an annual number that starts with a 2, and we've heard exactly nothing from the Cavs other than that they want to retain him. No back and forth, no happiness or unhappiness from either side, no rumors of other teams interested him other than an old recycled Jazz rumor from an unreliable source. Pretty much nothing.

[JonFromVA]

Really strange that the Sexton front is as quiet as it is. Not a peep or rumor out of either side.

Different situations, but TT didn't sign until after the date for signing the Q.O. expired. J.R. waited all summer, threatened to sign with the process version of the Sixers, and only then worked out a deal.

Sure. But by the time TT signed, we knew the Cavs' standing offer on the table, multiple specific contract proposals from Rich Paul, the Cavs' standing offer, LeBron's opinion, Brendan Haywood's opinion, who was exerting what influence, etc. etc.

All we've heard from Sexton's camp is that he wants an annual number that starts with a 2, and we've heard exactly nothing from the Cavs other than that they want to retain him. No back and forth, no happiness or unhappiness from either side, no rumors of other teams interested him other than an old recycled Jazz rumor from an unreliable source. Pretty much nothing.

Well, leaks and public remarks are generally made to serve some purpose, to put pressure on the team via the fanbase or smooth the way with the fanbase towards losing a player.

I'd assume everyone is pretty happy with letting the situation playout, and the reason why could be ...

a) it's not costing Collin any money yet;
b) Klutch may be hoping after KD, Kyrie, and Mitchell are taken care of that a GM may come asking about Collin;
c) Klutch has a present vested interest in things working out amicably with the Cavs and may even prefer the team not tie up it's 2023 cap space ...

[winforlose]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

[JujitsuFlip]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

Cavs have no more minutes for small guards, nor do they have any more minutes for guards who are negatives on defense.

Edit: just look at who needs minutes already. Okoro, LeVert, Rubio (once healthy), Agbaji, Windler, potentially Neto, and potentially Cedi; even situationally Stevens. I just see no scenario where Beasley can get minutes in the rotation on the Cavs.

[jbk1234]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

Everything the Cavs have done to date suggests they intend on maintaining their cap flexibility going forward. I kind of like Beasely off the bench, but he's a tad expensive. I'd circle back next summer depending on how this season and F.A. work out.

[winforlose]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

Everything the Cavs have done to date suggests they intend on maintaining their cap flexibility going forward. I kind of like Beasely off the bench, but he's a tad expensive. I'd circle back next summer depending on how this season and F.A. work out.

The great thing about Beasley is his last year is team option. So functionally he is like a 15 million expiring.

[jbk1234]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

Everything the Cavs have done to date suggests they intend on maintaining their cap flexibility going forward. I kind of like Beasely off the bench, but he's a tad expensive. I'd circle back next summer depending on how this season and F.A. work out.

The great thing about Beasley is his last year is team option. So functionally he is like a 15 million expiring.

Yeah, that's worth exploring as a starting point if Sexton is dead set on $20M per and a starting role.

[JonFromVA]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

How has Beasley been since the gun & drug charges? That'd be a red-flag for the Cavs who've been very careful with the player's they've brought in.

We have a lot of guys already even without Collin competing for minutes at SG and SF.

It's not even clear to me what the Cavs would ideally want in a trade for Collin. Given we don't know when Rubio will be able to play, and LeVert is always getting hurt; they might appreciate a wing who can provide some playmaking, but might just be better off with a future #1 (if anyone is willing to give it).

[winforlose]

Hey guys, I am Wolves fan who really digs what you did last year. I love big ball and using LM at the SF was genius. If your guards didn’t get crippled with injuries I truly believe you would have been top 4. I was thinking about you guys a little recently and I wondered if trading with Utah for Malik Beasley might be a good idea? This frees you up to sign and trade Sexton somewhere and gives you a sharpshooter that you bring in for Okoro when you need offense or floor spacing over defense.

How has Beasley been since the gun & drug charges? That'd be a red-flag for the Cavs who've been very careful with the player's they've brought in.

We have a lot of guys already even without Collin competing for minutes at SG and SF.

It's not even clear to me what the Cavs would ideally want in a trade for Collin. Given we don't know when Rubio will be able to play, and LeVert is always getting hurt; they might appreciate a wing who can provide some playmaking, but might just be better off with a future #1 (if anyone is willing to give it).

Beasley has never had any other off court drama beside that bizarre series of events with the gun and Larsa Pippen.

Beasley is a high volume quick release 3 point shooter who doesn’t do much else. But he is very accurate relative to his volume.

Beasley cannot play make and his handle isn’t great, but he can floor space. Could force enough defensive gravity to open things up for your other players.

[toooskies]

If we're not in contending mode, I'd much rather try to develop Agbaji into a better version of Beasley than trade for Beasley.

[jbk1234]

If we're not in contending mode, I'd much rather try to develop Agbaji into a better version of Beasley than trade for Beasley.

I'm kind of a believer that a team with Allen, Mobley, Garland, and at least for now Okoro/LeVert, can never have too many outside shooters. Beasely at $15M per with a T.O. in his second year is a manageable enough risk off the bench. Agbaji can play some minutes at SF. He's tall enough.

[JujitsuFlip]

If we're not in contending mode, I'd much rather try to develop Agbaji into a better version of Beasley than trade for Beasley.

I'm kind of a believer that a team with Allen, Mobley, Garland, and at least for now Okoro/LeVert, can never have too many outside shooters. Beasely at $15M per with a T.O. in his second year is a manageable enough risk off the bench. Agbaji can play some minutes at SF. He's tall enough.

Beasley is an absolute traffic cone on defense.

[JonFromVA]

If we're not in contending mode, I'd much rather try to develop Agbaji into a better version of Beasley than trade for Beasley.

I'm kind of a believer that a team with Allen, Mobley, Garland, and at least for now Okoro/LeVert, can never have too many outside shooters. Beasely at $15M per with a T.O. in his second year is a manageable enough risk off the bench. Agbaji can play some minutes at SF. He's tall enough.

Well, at this point before injuries have started happening, minutes look tight and I'd just prefer to invest any extra minutes we have in Agbaji and Okoro ... even Wade and and Stevens. Not to mention we already have Osman on the roster earning a lot less and putting up a better TS% than Beasley.

[jbk1234]

If we're not in contending mode, I'd much rather try to develop Agbaji into a better version of Beasley than trade for Beasley.

I'm kind of a believer that a team with Allen, Mobley, Garland, and at least for now Okoro/LeVert, can never have too many outside shooters. Beasely at $15M per with a T.O. in his second year is a manageable enough risk off the bench. Agbaji can play some minutes at SF. He's tall enough.

Well, at this point before injuries have started happening, minutes look tight and I'd just prefer to invest any extra minutes we have in Agbaji and Okoro ... even Wade and and Stevens. Not to mention we already have Osman on the roster earning a lot less and putting up a better TS% than Beasley.

There's no rush, but I'm skeptical LeVert is going to work out as a starter. We're going to need a shooter at the 2.

[JonFromVA]

I'm kind of a believer that a team with Allen, Mobley, Garland, and at least for now Okoro/LeVert, can never have too many outside shooters. Beasely at $15M per with a T.O. in his second year is a manageable enough risk off the bench. Agbaji can play some minutes at SF. He's tall enough.

Well, at this point before injuries have started happening, minutes look tight and I'd just prefer to invest any extra minutes we have in Agbaji and Okoro ... even Wade and and Stevens. Not to mention we already have Osman on the roster earning a lot less and putting up a better TS% than Beasley.

There's no rush, but I'm skeptical LeVert is going to work out as a starter. We're going to need a shooter at the 2.

LeVert's easily the best fit on our roster because he hits in pretty much all the categories we want, just hasn't/doesn't hit them all as well as we'd like. So he could be beat out, but is Beasley they guy who would do it?

With Lauri at SF we need a SG who can defend next to DG. That's not Beasley. Let's see what a Summer has done for Okoro and Steven's shooting and how quickly Agbaji can come up to NBA speed and whether Cedi can settle back in to a positive role playing with a backup PG.

Whole lot of muffins in the oven (likely including Sexton too).

[toooskies]

Well, at this point before injuries have started happening, minutes look tight and I'd just prefer to invest any extra minutes we have in Agbaji and Okoro ... even Wade and and Stevens. Not to mention we already have Osman on the roster earning a lot less and putting up a better TS% than Beasley.

There's no rush, but I'm skeptical LeVert is going to work out as a starter. We're going to need a shooter at the 2.

LeVert's easily the best fit on our roster because he hits in pretty much all the categories we want, just hasn't/doesn't hit them all as well as we'd like. So he could be beat out, but is Beasley they guy who would do it?

With Lauri at SF we need a SG who can defend next to DG. That's not Beasley. Let's see what a Summer has done for Okoro and Steven's shooting and how quickly Agbaji can come up to NBA speed and whether Cedi can settle back in to a positive role playing with a backup PG.

Whole lot of muffins in the oven (likely including Sexton too).

The argument about "what we need" at the 2 is that there are enough different things we "need" and the player that theoretically does them all sufficiently is probably an all-star caliber player. Most of the guys who can playmake, shoot, and defend at the 2 guard are also probably gifted and dynamic scorers. It is more likely that Mobley develops enough of an outside shot to stretch the floor than it is that the Cavs find that guy.

Ricky Rubio was enough of those things (a second ballhandler, plays great defense, has enough of an outside shot to be guarded) to be really interesting and effective in lineups with Garland, and unselfish enough to want to feed the guys who aren't explicitly creating their own shots.

[JujitsuFlip]

Well, at this point before injuries have started happening, minutes look tight and I'd just prefer to invest any extra minutes we have in Agbaji and Okoro ... even Wade and and Stevens. Not to mention we already have Osman on the roster earning a lot less and putting up a better TS% than Beasley.

There's no rush, but I'm skeptical LeVert is going to work out as a starter. We're going to need a shooter at the 2.

LeVert's easily the best fit on our roster because he hits in pretty much all the categories we want, just hasn't/doesn't hit them all as well as we'd like. So he could be beat out, but is Beasley they guy who would do it?

With Lauri at SF we need a SG who can defend next to DG. That's not Beasley. Let's see what a Summer has done for Okoro and Steven's shooting and how quickly Agbaji can come up to NBA speed and whether Cedi can settle back in to a positive role playing with a backup PG.

Whole lot of muffins in the oven (likely including Sexton too).

He is? He does?

He doesn't distribute the ball, he's a negative defender, and he can't shoot from deep.

Being 6'6" is cool, i guess lol

[JonFromVA]

There's no rush, but I'm skeptical LeVert is going to work out as a starter. We're going to need a shooter at the 2.

LeVert's easily the best fit on our roster because he hits in pretty much all the categories we want, just hasn't/doesn't hit them all as well as we'd like. So he could be beat out, but is Beasley they guy who would do it?

With Lauri at SF we need a SG who can defend next to DG. That's not Beasley. Let's see what a Summer has done for Okoro and Steven's shooting and how quickly Agbaji can come up to NBA speed and whether Cedi can settle back in to a positive role playing with a backup PG.

Whole lot of muffins in the oven (likely including Sexton too).

He is? He does?

He doesn't distribute the ball, he's a negative defender, and he can't shoot from deep.

Being 6'6" is cool, i guess lol

We're comparing him to Malik Beasley who contributes nothing but launching 3's.

I also expect some things to click for LeVert once he's acclimated with the team.

[JujitsuFlip]

LeVert's easily the best fit on our roster because he hits in pretty much all the categories we want, just hasn't/doesn't hit them all as well as we'd like. So he could be beat out, but is Beasley they guy who would do it?

With Lauri at SF we need a SG who can defend next to DG. That's not Beasley. Let's see what a Summer has done for Okoro and Steven's shooting and how quickly Agbaji can come up to NBA speed and whether Cedi can settle back in to a positive role playing with a backup PG.

Whole lot of muffins in the oven (likely including Sexton too).

He is? He does?

He doesn't distribute the ball, he's a negative defender, and he can't shoot from deep.

Being 6'6" is cool, i guess lol

We're comparing him to Malik Beasley who contributes nothing but launching 3's.

I also expect some things to click for LeVert once he's acclimated with the team.

The comparison is fine but he is far from the best fit on the roster.

He does absolutely nothing the Cavs need, outside of being 6'6".