The Trey Lance thread

[CrimsonCrew]

He'd better be ready for the whole offseason program, and to do his own work on mechanics and what-not prior to that. And he'd better f-ing live in the film room this offseason. Got to make as much as we can out of this really unfortunate turn of events.

[wco81]

Someone on the General NFL Board said he's extension eligible next season?

That would be tough.

He'd have to show something next season and then the 49ers could offer him something like the Kaepernick contract, which had all these exits for the team.

But there's also the possibility that in a couple of years, the team would need to look for another franchise QB prospect.

[CrimsonCrew]

Someone on the General NFL Board said he's extension eligible next season?

That would be tough.

He'd have to show something next season and then the 49ers could offer him something like the Kaepernick contract, which had all these exits for the team.

But there's also the possibility that in a couple of years, the team would need to look for another franchise QB prospect.

I think the reason we haven't seen a Bosa extension yet is because the team wants to set a precedent for first-round picks. They will pick up your fifth-year option, and then negotiate your extension prior to that season. They want to get a full four years out of these guys before giving them truly huge money, and they can point to Bosa as the example of that.

Sure, he's had some injury issues, but it's hard to question his performance on the field or say he doesn't deserve a massive extension at this point. So when Aiyuk and Lance (less likely now) come to them after three years, they can say, "Look, we just don't negotiate extensions until after four years."

I can't see the Niners extending Lance after next year unless he plays like Mahomes in year two. But I do expect him to get the fifth year option almost regardless of his performance.

[CrimsonCrew]

And yes, players may be extended after three years.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[Jikkle]

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Sounds like he should make a full recovery with a low chance of there being any lingering issues.

Just hoping he's good to go after 4 months so he can do his offseason work as his mechanics work is still critical for him.

[CalamityX12]

I truly feel this will set him back so much.... that will be 3 years of very little little football playing time/experience....

He was done wrong by Shanny IMO with the premature reliance of QB design runs up the middle.... kept playing with fire til it burnt Lance.

[wco81]

Even if he didn’t get an injury to the extremities, he was often leading with his head on those runs, like a RB.

Does he had the bulk, especially upper body supporting his neck and head, to ply like that?

Even if he did, he’s vulnerable to repeated head trauma.

[CrimsonCrew]

I truly feel this will set him back so much.... that will be 3 years of very little little football playing time/experience....

He was done wrong by Shanny IMO with the premature reliance of QB design runs up the middle.... kept playing with fire til it burnt Lance.

I agree. Let the kid try to show what he can do with his arm. Especially after he dealt with multiple injuries as a rookie. I'm not saying that we never run him. But you've got to pick your spots. You can't just run him into the line. And I sure don't love option plays that result in the QB running up the middle on rushing downs.

Shanahan cited Josh Allen as part of his defense. It's a name that gets thrown around a lot in the Trey Lance discussions, and sure, we all hope that's the ceiling. But Josh Allen is a huge outlier. Very few players show the improvement in accuracy he did. Very few players can absorb the sort of beating he can - and jury is still out on whether he can sustain that type of play long term. Cam played a similar style and he fell apart. Saying something isn't a big deal because of Josh Allen does a disservice to Lance and the team.

[CrimsonCrew]

Even if he didn’t get an injury to the extremities, he was often leading with his head on those runs, like a RB.

Does he had the bulk, especially upper body supporting his neck and head, to ply like that?

Even if he did, he’s vulnerable to repeated head trauma.

Lance is a big guy, but he's not built like a RB. He's just a hair under 6'4". There's a reason there aren't really any NFL RBs that size, and those that are close to it are built like tanks. You take a beating running the ball in this league, and sure, Lance is big and strong, but he's not carrying the bulk relative to his frame that a RB is. Those guys pack 210 pounds into 5'8" frames. The tall ones, like Derrick Henry, are often packing close to 250 pounds. He also doesn't really have the experience of avoiding or minimizing hits at this level. So use him on the scramble drill. Heck, run the occasional draw play on third and long when the defense has their light package out and are defending pass first. But you can't just keep hammering this kid into the line. It was reckless, and we're paying the price.

[Pattersonca65]

I truly feel this will set him back so much.... that will be 3 years of very little little football playing time/experience....

He was done wrong by Shanny IMO with the premature reliance of QB design runs up the middle.... kept playing with fire til it burnt Lance.

I agree. Let the kid try to show what he can do with his arm. Especially after he dealt with multiple injuries as a rookie. I'm not saying that we never run him. But you've got to pick your spots. You can't just run him into the line. And I sure don't love option plays that result in the QB running up the middle on rushing downs.

Shanahan cited Josh Allen as part of his defense. It's a name that gets thrown around a lot in the Trey Lance discussions, and sure, we all hope that's the ceiling. But Josh Allen is a huge outlier. Very few players show the improvement in accuracy he did. Very few players can absorb the sort of beating he can - and jury is still out on whether he can sustain that type of play long term. Cam played a similar style and he fell apart. Saying something isn't a big deal because of Josh Allen does a disservice to Lance and the team.

I really don't understand what Shanahan is trying to do with Lance. Is he thinking to just start the season super conservative and then open it up as the season went along? I could understand trying that last year if Lance is forced into playing. But not after he was named the starter and had a whole offseason to become the starter. Is there something we don't know about during training camp? Were the reports true about them not being happy with Lance's progress but had to move on from Jimmy by then? Shanahan is acting like he can't even trust Lance to convert routine third down plays with his arm. I get to a point that the offense can play a more conservatively with the defense the 49ers have but I just can't see going anywhere this season calling the offense the way Shanahan did with Lance.

[thesack12]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/161278-49ers-trey-lance-could-recovery-within-weeks-surgeon/

Foot and ankle surgeon Dr. Kenneth Jung, a consultant to the Los Angeles Rams, believes Lance could be fully healed within 10 to 12 weeks. Assuming the lengthier estimated recovery time, that might make him available after Week 14. However, the shorter estimate could mean Lance is healthy after Week 12.

This is coming from a doctor who didn't treat Lance, and probably hasn't seen his actual files. Nevertheless, its encouraging to hear.

Its a very optimistic prognosis and might not have much merit, but if Trey can get healed up enough to where he's past the rehab phase and can start working on his mechanics and perhaps even get on the practice field at any point during this season, that would obviously be a MASSIVE win.

[Jikkle]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/161278-49ers-trey-lance-could-recovery-within-weeks-surgeon/

Foot and ankle surgeon Dr. Kenneth Jung, a consultant to the Los Angeles Rams, believes Lance could be fully healed within 10 to 12 weeks. Assuming the lengthier estimated recovery time, that might make him available after Week 14. However, the shorter estimate could mean Lance is healthy after Week 12.

This is coming from a doctor who didn't treat Lance, and probably hasn't seen his actual files. Nevertheless, its encouraging to hear.

Its a very optimistic prognosis and might not have much merit, but if Trey can get healed up enough to where he's past the rehab phase and can start working on his mechanics and perhaps even get on the practice field at any point during this season, that would obviously be a MASSIVE win.

The 9ers did release a statement on what parts were operated on so I would imagine these guys can make a pretty educated guess on it.

My biggest concern is if he's full speed ahead with no issues in his off-season mechanic work.

It'd be awesome if he can come back later in the season though. I seriously doubt the 9ers would swap out Jimmy if they're firmly in the playoff hunt but it would be nice to have him as a backup because Jimmy isn't a model of health and if we're unfortunately out of the race for whatever reason at least he can get back in there and get some reps and experience.

[Jikkle]

I truly feel this will set him back so much.... that will be 3 years of very little little football playing time/experience....

He was done wrong by Shanny IMO with the premature reliance of QB design runs up the middle.... kept playing with fire til it burnt Lance.

I agree. Let the kid try to show what he can do with his arm. Especially after he dealt with multiple injuries as a rookie. I'm not saying that we never run him. But you've got to pick your spots. You can't just run him into the line. And I sure don't love option plays that result in the QB running up the middle on rushing downs.

Shanahan cited Josh Allen as part of his defense. It's a name that gets thrown around a lot in the Trey Lance discussions, and sure, we all hope that's the ceiling. But Josh Allen is a huge outlier. Very few players show the improvement in accuracy he did. Very few players can absorb the sort of beating he can - and jury is still out on whether he can sustain that type of play long term. Cam played a similar style and he fell apart. Saying something isn't a big deal because of Josh Allen does a disservice to Lance and the team.

I really don't understand what Shanahan is trying to do with Lance. Is he thinking to just start the season super conservative and then open it up as the season went along? I could understand trying that last year if Lance is forced into playing. But not after he was named the starter and had a whole offseason to become the starter. Is there something we don't know about during training camp? Were the reports true about them not being happy with Lance's progress but had to move on from Jimmy by then? Shanahan is acting like he can't even trust Lance to convert routine third down plays with his arm. I get to a point that the offense can play a more conservatively with the defense the 49ers have but I just can't see going anywhere this season calling the offense the way Shanahan did with Lance.

Even if it's his second year it's still Lance's first year starting so it does make sense to start slow with the passing and ramp it up more and more as he gets more and more experience.

And this is a running team first and foremost so it's not like it's out of character for Shanahan to dial up a ton of runs especially since they were working. I mean it's the man that had Jimmy pass like 8 times in an NFC championship because the running game was working so well.

It's not like Lance did anything in that game up to that point that would cause Shanahan concern either. He was 2/3 with both his completions being accurate and his one incompletion was more a throw away because he had a guy in his face. So it's not like he was scattershot and Kyle decided to focus on running because Lance wasn't accurate.

[Pattersonca65]

I agree. Let the kid try to show what he can do with his arm. Especially after he dealt with multiple injuries as a rookie. I'm not saying that we never run him. But you've got to pick your spots. You can't just run him into the line. And I sure don't love option plays that result in the QB running up the middle on rushing downs.

Shanahan cited Josh Allen as part of his defense. It's a name that gets thrown around a lot in the Trey Lance discussions, and sure, we all hope that's the ceiling. But Josh Allen is a huge outlier. Very few players show the improvement in accuracy he did. Very few players can absorb the sort of beating he can - and jury is still out on whether he can sustain that type of play long term. Cam played a similar style and he fell apart. Saying something isn't a big deal because of Josh Allen does a disservice to Lance and the team.

I really don't understand what Shanahan is trying to do with Lance. Is he thinking to just start the season super conservative and then open it up as the season went along? I could understand trying that last year if Lance is forced into playing. But not after he was named the starter and had a whole offseason to become the starter. Is there something we don't know about during training camp? Were the reports true about them not being happy with Lance's progress but had to move on from Jimmy by then? Shanahan is acting like he can't even trust Lance to convert routine third down plays with his arm. I get to a point that the offense can play a more conservatively with the defense the 49ers have but I just can't see going anywhere this season calling the offense the way Shanahan did with Lance.

Even if it's his second year it's still Lance's first year starting so it does make sense to start slow with the passing and ramp it up more and more as he gets more and more experience.

And this is a running team first and foremost so it's not like it's out of character for Shanahan to dial up a ton of runs especially since they were working. I mean it's the man that had Jimmy pass like 8 times in an NFC championship because the running game was working so well.

It's not like Lance did anything in that game up to that point that would cause Shanahan concern either. He was 2/3 with both his completions being accurate and his one incompletion was more a throw away because he had a guy in his face. So it's not like he was scattershot and Kyle decided to focus on running because Lance wasn't accurate.

I get it is a run first team first and Jimmy's stats prove that. One difference is on third downs. On obvious passing downs Shanahan has Jimmy throwing ball. Half the time Shanahan is calling for Lance to run the ball or some other kind of pitch play. Lance is hardly throwing the ball unless he is forced to. I simply don't see this ultra-conservative approach with Lance winning ball games. The 49ers are not a rebuilding team and don't have the luxury of losing games.

[CrimsonCrew]

One of my biggest gripes with Shanahan is his conservatism. Time and again he plays tight instead of really driving home wins. Granted some of that is a bad rap. For instance, after the run game was working so well in the super bowl with Atlanta, people complain that he went too pass-heavy. Then in other games, they criticize him for continuing to run.

But objectively, he's one of the more conservative coaches in the league. I'd like to see him really push this offense a bit more - even with Jimmy at QB - and see what we can do with it.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10063651-49ers-trey-lance-expects-to-be-100-for-offseason-program-after-ankle-injury-rehab

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Krueger is suggesting that the signing of Darnold means Trey Lance could be traded:

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[CrimsonCrew]

I was watching Mike Martz talking about how great Purdy was, and it reminded me of his reaming of Lance after the Bears' game. Re-watching that performance for kicks. Just the YouTube video of all his throws and runs. Figured I'd subject all of you to my thoughts, though I feel like I may have done something like this previously. Caveat: not the All-22, though I may look for that. Going to note any significant plays.

Nice sneak on 3rd and a long 1 to pick up the first down. Good power to push the pile.

1st and 10 after that, and Lance threw a great pass to Aiyuk about 17 yards downfield for a first down. Very accurate ball that hit Aiyuk in stride and allowed him to pick up about 15 yards after contact.

This is the one Lance wishes he had back. Kroft was wide open for a walk-in TD and he just overthrew him.

3rd and 7, and Lance gets sacked. He actually came off his first read very quickly (appears to be quick pass to Aiyuk about five yards short of the first down), but McGlinchey was beaten inside almost immediately and Lance had to bail. Defender just grabbed his jersey and got him down.

3rd and 3. Quick pressure again. Banks gets beaten inside immediately this time. Lance actually did a nice job to sidestep the defender, step up, and still get the ball out, but he rushed a throw between defenders and threw it behind Jennings.

2nd and 5, just a strike over the LBs to McCloud 20 yards downfield. Great ball.

2nd and 9, decent run up the middle for about seven yards. This is where Lance excelled running in college, picking his way through the trash and using his power to gain extra yards. A lot tougher to make hay with that in the NFL, though.

3rd and 3, nice pass on an out-breaking route to Aiyuk about 14 yards downfield. Maybe a bit behind Aiyuk, but he brought it in for the first down.

3rd and 13, another run up the middle. He makes a man miss, lowers his shoulder, and picks up the first down. Not super explosive, but a great run.

2nd and 9, looks like the ball just slipped out of his hand.

3rd and 9, checks down to Wilson, who gets tackled four yards shy of the marker. Based on his eye movement, it's possible that was the first read (i.e., he looked that way and threw it without obviously going through more reads). They were up 7-0 at that point, and the OL play was shaky, so not so upset about that. Tough to say if someone else was open. Dwelley, at least, was open short and would have had a better shot at converting than Wilson.

1st and 10, starts to step into a throw downfield, but pulls it, bails, and checks down to Jennings who loses a couple. Tough to evaluate this one based on what I can see on the game tape. I can't tell if anyone was open.

2nd and 10, checks down to Kroft (I think?). Pass was fine, but there were four seconds left in the half and the receiver went down at our 43, so not a great play.

3rd and 3 with four seconds, throws short to Deebo but the ball slips and comes out ugly.

3rd and 6, he throws to Jennings 30 yards downfield. Maybe just a tick behind him, but he makes the throw easily and gains several more yards. No chance Jennings was going to run away from the defense even if the ball was perfect. Big play.

3rd and 2 from the seven, draw play and he converts.

3rd and goal, he gets to his second read, but scrambles and gets sacked. Looks like his second read was Deebo, who had inside position and shoudl have scored a relatively easy TD. Bad indecisiveness.

3rd and 5, nice slant ball to Jennings for seven.

2nd and 9, looks like a screen play to the TE, but it gets totally blown up. He rolls out and dumps it at the receiver's feet. Fine play in that situation. We're still up 10-7.

3rd and 9, Brendel gets beaten immediately up the middle. Might have had time to throw to his first read. He bails the pocket. Might have been able to get off a throw, but tough to see what he's looking at. He scrambles and gets eight. We could have gone for it on 4th and 1 from our 41, but not Kyle's style. Hard to fault him for this one.

First and ten, naked boot and the defender is right on him. Throws it away, and nothing else he could have done.

2nd and 15, outside draw play (is that an oxymoron? delayed run to the outside?) to pick up six. Not a great play design/execution, but Lance looked a bit tentative. Might have been able to get a couple more yards.

3rd and 9, Lance steps up in the pocket and finds the TE for a first down. Might have had a bigger play downfield somewhere, but this was a nice play.

1st and 10, quick pressure moves him off his mark after play action, he drifts around a little bit trying to find room and gets sacked. He didn't realistically have time to move past his first read. Might have been able to navigate the pocket better, but it was pretty cluttered.

3rd and 5, Lance doesn't see the DB and gets picked throwing a slant. Good ball, just didn't see the defender. He makes the tackle, for what that's worth.

1st and 10, goes to Samuel for the first down as what looks like his second read.

2nd and 10. We're into the downpour now. Niners trailing 19-10. Hits Aiyuk - a little high - for 9+.

3rd and 1, easily picks it up on the sneak.

1st and 10. Ball is tipped and almost picked going to Aiyuk crossing the deep middle. Tough to say what he was seeing here. Pretty dangerous ball, especially on first down trailing by two. It's possible the ball got away from him a little, it wobbled coming out.

3rd and 2, play action pass, Lance had time to get to his first read, but doesn't pull the trigger. Could possibly have stepped up in the pocket and still gotten the ball off. He looks pretty confused in the pocket, runs around, eventually able to pick up the first down, but it wasn't pretty.

1st and 15, solid ball to Jennings for 14.

2nd and 2 or 3 (screen says 13), first read covered, he takes off pretty decisively and picks up the first down. At this point, time is arguably the bigger issue than downs, as there is 4:33 left and we're down by 9.

1st and 10, misses Dwelley breaking outside. Throw is off, and doesn't look like it slipped, but conditions were pretty brutal by this point.

2nd and 10, checks down to Wilson. Quick pressure up the middle again. But he probably needed to try something downfield at this point, and he should have had time.

3rd and 8, just a monsoon. He throws over the middle. Defenders there, ball comes out badly, just a total mess. Tough to fault him for that.

4th and 8, you can barely see the game because of all the water on the lens of the camera. Air mails a pass to Juice in the flat that likely wouldn't have been a first down anyway.

We get the ball back after that with about 2:30 remaining, but no one can handle the ball at that point. Not going to break those down.

Overall impressions: I just don't see an awful game that would make me think the guy isn't worth getting another shot. Yes, there are things to work on. A couple missed throws, though overall I thought he threw it pretty well given the conditions, other than a couple times when it clearly got away from him. Some bad decisions, including not seeing the DB in the middle of the field on the INT. Got to improve that, but it's the sort of thing Jimmy did constantly.

The OL was pretty shaky at times in this one, but Lance also got skittish any time there was pressure. He needs to do a better job moving in the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield. A couple times, it seemed like he bailed too early. I'm also guessing that he failed to see open guys at times, or pull the trigger when he did see them (the missed TD to Deebo is the most conspicuous example). But he threw several really nice balls in the 15-25 yard range, and moved the team fairly well. That said, we repeatedly failed to punch it in.

Anyway, makes me want to see more of him more than anything.

[CrimsonCrew]

I was watching Mike Martz talking about how great Purdy was, and it reminded me of his reaming of Lance after the Bears' game. Re-watching that performance for kicks. Just the YouTube video of all his throws and runs. Figured I'd subject all of you to my thoughts, though I feel like I may have done something like this previously. Caveat: not the All-22, though I may look for that. Going to note any significant plays.

Nice sneak on 3rd and a long 1 to pick up the first down. Good power to push the pile.

1st and 10 after that, and Lance threw a great pass to Aiyuk about 17 yards downfield for a first down. Very accurate ball that hit Aiyuk in stride and allowed him to pick up about 15 yards after contact.

This is the one Lance wishes he had back. Kroft was wide open for a walk-in TD and he just overthrew him.

3rd and 7, and Lance gets sacked. He actually came off his first read very quickly (appears to be quick pass to Aiyuk about five yards short of the first down), but McGlinchey was beaten inside almost immediately and Lance had to bail. Defender just grabbed his jersey and got him down.

3rd and 3. Quick pressure again. Banks gets beaten inside immediately this time. Lance actually did a nice job to sidestep the defender, step up, and still get the ball out, but he rushed a throw between defenders and threw it behind Jennings.

2nd and 5, just a strike over the LBs to McCloud 20 yards downfield. Great ball.

2nd and 9, decent run up the middle for about seven yards. This is where Lance excelled running in college, picking his way through the trash and using his power to gain extra yards. A lot tougher to make hay with that in the NFL, though.

3rd and 3, nice pass on an out-breaking route to Aiyuk about 14 yards downfield. Maybe a bit behind Aiyuk, but he brought it in for the first down.

3rd and 13, another run up the middle. He makes a man miss, lowers his shoulder, and picks up the first down. Not super explosive, but a great run.

2nd and 9, looks like the ball just slipped out of his hand.

3rd and 9, checks down to Wilson, who gets tackled four yards shy of the marker. Based on his eye movement, it's possible that was the first read (i.e., he looked that way and threw it without obviously going through more reads). They were up 7-0 at that point, and the OL play was shaky, so not so upset about that. Tough to say if someone else was open. Dwelley, at least, was open short and would have had a better shot at converting than Wilson.

1st and 10, starts to step into a throw downfield, but pulls it, bails, and checks down to Jennings who loses a couple. Tough to evaluate this one based on what I can see on the game tape. I can't tell if anyone was open.

2nd and 10, checks down to Kroft (I think?). Pass was fine, but there were four seconds left in the half and the receiver went down at our 43, so not a great play.

3rd and 3 with four seconds, throws short to Deebo but the ball slips and comes out ugly.

3rd and 6, he throws to Jennings 30 yards downfield. Maybe just a tick behind him, but he makes the throw easily and gains several more yards. No chance Jennings was going to run away from the defense even if the ball was perfect. Big play.

3rd and 2 from the seven, draw play and he converts.

3rd and goal, he gets to his second read, but scrambles and gets sacked. Looks like his second read was Deebo, who had inside position and shoudl have scored a relatively easy TD. Bad indecisiveness.

3rd and 5, nice slant ball to Jennings for seven.

2nd and 9, looks like a screen play to the TE, but it gets totally blown up. He rolls out and dumps it at the receiver's feet. Fine play in that situation. We're still up 10-7.

3rd and 9, Brendel gets beaten immediately up the middle. Might have had time to throw to his first read. He bails the pocket. Might have been able to get off a throw, but tough to see what he's looking at. He scrambles and gets eight. We could have gone for it on 4th and 1 from our 41, but not Kyle's style. Hard to fault him for this one.

First and ten, naked boot and the defender is right on him. Throws it away, and nothing else he could have done.

2nd and 15, outside draw play (is that an oxymoron? delayed run to the outside?) to pick up six. Not a great play design/execution, but Lance looked a bit tentative. Might have been able to get a couple more yards.

3rd and 9, Lance steps up in the pocket and finds the TE for a first down. Might have had a bigger play downfield somewhere, but this was a nice play.

1st and 10, quick pressure moves him off his mark after play action, he drifts around a little bit trying to find room and gets sacked. He didn't realistically have time to move past his first read. Might have been able to navigate the pocket better, but it was pretty cluttered.

3rd and 5, Lance doesn't see the DB and gets picked throwing a slant. Good ball, just didn't see the defender. He makes the tackle, for what that's worth.

1st and 10, goes to Samuel for the first down as what looks like his second read.

2nd and 10. We're into the downpour now. Niners trailing 19-10. Hits Aiyuk - a little high - for 9+.

3rd and 1, easily picks it up on the sneak.

1st and 10. Ball is tipped and almost picked going to Aiyuk crossing the deep middle. Tough to say what he was seeing here. Pretty dangerous ball, especially on first down trailing by two. It's possible the ball got away from him a little, it wobbled coming out.

3rd and 2, play action pass, Lance had time to get to his first read, but doesn't pull the trigger. Could possibly have stepped up in the pocket and still gotten the ball off. He looks pretty confused in the pocket, runs around, eventually able to pick up the first down, but it wasn't pretty.

1st and 15, solid ball to Jennings for 14.

2nd and 2 or 3 (screen says 13), first read covered, he takes off pretty decisively and picks up the first down. At this point, time is arguably the bigger issue than downs, as there is 4:33 left and we're down by 9.

1st and 10, misses Dwelley breaking outside. Throw is off, and doesn't look like it slipped, but conditions were pretty brutal by this point.

2nd and 10, checks down to Wilson. Quick pressure up the middle again. But he probably needed to try something downfield at this point, and he should have had time.

3rd and 8, just a monsoon. He throws over the middle. Defenders there, ball comes out badly, just a total mess. Tough to fault him for that.

4th and 8, you can barely see the game because of all the water on the lens of the camera. Air mails a pass to Juice in the flat that likely wouldn't have been a first down anyway.

We get the ball back after that with about 2:30 remaining, but no one can handle the ball at that point. Not going to break those down.

Overall impressions: I just don't see an awful game that would make me think the guy isn't worth getting another shot. Yes, there are things to work on. A couple missed throws, though overall I thought he threw it pretty well given the conditions, other than a couple times when it clearly got away from him. Some bad decisions, including not seeing the DB in the middle of the field on the INT. Got to improve that, but it's the sort of thing Jimmy did constantly.

The OL was pretty shaky at times in this one, but Lance also got skittish any time there was pressure. He needs to do a better job moving in the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield. A couple times, it seemed like he bailed too early. I'm also guessing that he failed to see open guys at times, or pull the trigger when he did see them (the missed TD to Deebo is the most conspicuous example). But he threw several really nice balls in the 15-25 yard range, and moved the team fairly well. That said, we repeatedly failed to punch it in.

Anyway, makes me want to see more of him more than anything.

Found the All-22, so going to update a couple plays.

3rd and 7, and Lance gets sacked. He actually came off his first read very quickly (appears to be quick pass to Aiyuk about five yards short of the first down), but McGlinchey was beaten inside almost immediately and Lance had to bail. Defender just grabbed his jersey and got him down.

Update: both reads to the right were totally covered. No real possibility to make a play here.

3rd and 3. Quick pressure again. Banks gets beaten inside immediately this time. Lance actually did a nice job to sidestep the defender, step up, and still get the ball out, but he rushed a throw between defenders and threw it behind Jennings.

Update: He had to go to Jennings here, who was open. Should have probably converted this one even with the pressure.

3rd and 9, checks down to Wilson, who gets tackled four yards shy of the marker. Based on his eye movement, it's possible that was the first read (i.e., he looked that way and threw it without obviously going through more reads). They were up 7-0 at that point, and the OL play was shaky, so not so upset about that. Tough to say if someone else was open. Dwelley, at least, was open short and would have had a better shot at converting than Wilson.

Update: Kind of an odd play. Deebo looks to be open streaking up the field in what is presumably the first read, but it's an in-breaking route that puts him basically on the defender who would be out of position for a vertical or out-breaking play. I don't think Lance could have thrown it to him. Lance had good protection, though, and if he'd come back to the other side of the field, he would have seen Aiyuk, Jennings, and Dwelley were basically all better options (the WRs beat coverage upfield and were splitting the safety, and no one stayed shallow with Dwelley, who probably doesn't convert, but has a shot).

1st and 10, starts to step into a throw downfield, but pulls it, bails, and checks down to Jennings who loses a couple. Tough to evaluate this one based on what I can see on the game tape. I can't tell if anyone was open.

Update: Aiyuk sure looks open, but it's not an easy throw. Would have to get over the LBs and get there under the DBs, or a REALLY quick throw through a tight window.

2nd and 10, checks down to Kroft (I think?). Pass was fine, but there were four seconds left in the half and the receiver went down at our 43, so not a great play.

Update: Another weird play. Seems like Kroft was the read, and he's wide open, so I guess you throw it to him. Bears are in a prevent, and Aiyuk still gets past the CB, but is running in such a way that it's clear he's moving defenders and not actually a legitimate read. Jenning is also wide open, but probably only gains as much as Kroft did, and maybe takes more time to do it. Not sure why we called this play in this situation.

Second Update: Watched another angle, and either Aiyuk was the first read, or Lance is looking off the defense. But Aiyuk slows down before looking back for the ball, so tough to believe he was the first read.

3rd and goal, he gets to his second read, but scrambles and gets sacked. Looks like his second read was Deebo, who had inside position and shoudl have scored a relatively easy TD. Bad indecisiveness.

Update: I think Jennings is the first read, and he's open on an out-breaking route. Deebo also open with a throwing lane if he fires it immediately. Not good enough for the red zone.

3rd and 9, Brendel gets beaten immediately up the middle. Might have had time to throw to his first read. He bails the pocket. Might have been able to get off a throw, but tough to see what he's looking at. He scrambles and gets eight. We could have gone for it on 4th and 1 from our 41, but not Kyle's style. Hard to fault him for this one.

Update: probably couldn't go to his first read on this one as everyone was blanketed. That said, once he's running, Jennings is wide open for the first down along the sideline.

1st and 10, quick pressure moves him off his mark after play action, he drifts around a little bit trying to find room and gets sacked. He didn't realistically have time to move past his first read. Might have been able to navigate the pocket better, but it was pretty cluttered.

Update: No really viable option for throwing. Two guys are splitting a defender such that one of them will likely come open, but at the time Lance has to bail, it's not clear which one it will be. Maybe could have anticipated the inside guy would be open, but tough to criticize this one too much.