Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m super excited for Dipo. I hope he can stay healthy

[Kobewade11]

Darius days media day interview. Impressive. Raised right. Great attitude. I hope he gets it. Exactly the kind of guy heat need to keep around. Might be a casualty to our sit them and forget them like we like to do to first years to humble them but he's a gamer u can tell. Willing to do the grunt work.

If the play matches his attitude he was another great find

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[twix2500]

So then he has to be traded because we can’t pay $30M for someone who’s a “scorer” but can’t score in isolation moments when needed?

How many pts per game you think is worth 30 mill?

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I’m asking you brother, if we’re going to pay someone to be our scorer they need to be an elite bucket getter and be able to get us one when we need it most, which will mostly come in isolation situations at the end of a close game. You’re saying he doesn’t have that in him so I’m asking if that means we should trade him and not pay him

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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[twix2500]

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He shuffles his feet to much on catch and shoots for my liking. That is a byproduct of a weak lower body, which is struggling to find balance when in motion, you gotta be able to pop and have your lower body set before you enter your shooting motion a lot quicker in a real game.

does he look to slow even for a rookie? In my opinion he better have a great basketball IQ, be a great passer and pump fake the hell out of people...HE IS LONG and accurate, unteachable skills

I think Jovic is going through a growth spurt the past couple of years. He has to grow into his body and learn how to play. He says he is now 6'11 back in May. Might be 7'0 when its all said and done.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

How many pts per game you think is worth 30 mill?

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I’m asking you brother, if we’re going to pay someone to be our scorer they need to be an elite bucket getter and be able to get us one when we need it most, which will mostly come in isolation situations at the end of a close game. You’re saying he doesn’t have that in him so I’m asking if that means we should trade him and not pay him

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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If I’m paying $30M for a player whose greatest skill is scoring, near league worst defender, good rebounder for a guard, and solid playmaker I’m going to need 25 a night and I need to see him be able to replicate that in the playoffs. I need to see that we can clear the floor and let him go to work in the clutch in isolation situations at a good rate. I’d be fine to see 21 a night but I’d like to see that on 15 attempts or less instead of 17. I think the Heat are looking for this improvement from him and it’s why his extension has been delayed. Maybe they see him in training camp or preseason and think the jump is coming and go ahead and extend him, I don’t think they will though.

The pros outweigh the cons by quite a bit when it comes to waiting.

[dolphinatik]

I see you Pat Riley. Glaring hole at the 4, open roster spot likely filled after the trade deadline due to cap issues. Former Heat 4 spacer ready for another tour to give Jimmy his ring. It would be Super Cool, it would B too Eazy. I see you Riley.

[eddieheatfan]

I see you Pat Riley. Glaring hole at the 4, open roster spot likely filled after the trade deadline due to cap issues. Former Heat 4 spacer ready for another tour to give Jimmy his ring. It would be Super Cool, it would B too Eazy. I see you Riley.

[Wiltside]

I see you Pat Riley. Glaring hole at the 4, open roster spot likely filled after the trade deadline due to cap issues. Former Heat 4 spacer ready for another tour to give Jimmy his ring. It would be Super Cool, it would B too Eazy. I see you Riley.

[Wiltside]

I’m going to assume Herro and Caleb win the starting spots, and we open the season as follows

Lowry / Vincent
Herro / Oladipo
Butler / Robinson
Martin / Strus
Adebayo / Yurtseven

Yep, I really can see Spo going with two guys who should be 2 guards at the 4 spot. Dipo gets to handle plenty in the second unit with shooters around him, and Yurt will beat out Dedmon for backup 5 minutes.

[twix2500]

I’m going to assume Herro and Caleb win the starting spots, and we open the season as follows

Lowry / Vincent
Herro / Oladipo
Butler / Robinson
Martin / Strus
Adebayo / Yurtseven

Yep, I really can see Spo going with two guys who should be 2 guards at the 4 spot. Dipo gets to handle plenty in the second unit with shooters around him, and Yurt will beat out Dedmon for backup 5 minutes.

I know spo likes to have 2 shooters on the floor.

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[Flash4thewin]

How many pts per game you think is worth 30 mill?

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I’m asking you brother, if we’re going to pay someone to be our scorer they need to be an elite bucket getter and be able to get us one when we need it most, which will mostly come in isolation situations at the end of a close game. You’re saying he doesn’t have that in him so I’m asking if that means we should trade him and not pay him

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m asking you brother, if we’re going to pay someone to be our scorer they need to be an elite bucket getter and be able to get us one when we need it most, which will mostly come in isolation situations at the end of a close game. You’re saying he doesn’t have that in him so I’m asking if that means we should trade him and not pay him

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Derozan, Tatum, Brown, Jamal, Harden, Jokic, Fox, SGA, Mitchell, Embiid, Mccollum, Bam, and Ingram all give you better/more efficient scoring as starters and/or first options than Herro. Majority of those guys are on extensions from their rookie deal and they all make around $27M-$33M. This isn’t even factoring in the fact that they are all better all around players than Herro.

Let’s see if he can take another jump this season and get in the conversation with these guys.

[Flash4thewin]

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Derozan, Tatum, Brown, Jamal, Harden, Jokic, Fox, SGA, Mitchell, Embiid, Mccollum, Bam, and Ingram all give you better/more efficient scoring as starters and/or first options than Herro. Majority of those guys are on extensions from their rookie deal and they all make around $27M-$33M. This isn’t even factoring in the fact that they are all better all around players than Herro.

Let’s see if he can take another jump this season and get in the conversation with these guys.

They are basically all on rookie extensions so that means one needs to trade for them, that means multiple unprotected first round draft picks and swaps. The only player on that list that might be possible and even that is a long shot is Fox. When those players hit free agency they will be looking at 45+ mil contracts.

The cap goes up and when we factor inflation, Herro at 30 mil is the norm, it’s not over or under paying him just the norm.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Derozan, Tatum, Brown, Jamal, Harden, Jokic, Fox, SGA, Mitchell, Embiid, Mccollum, Bam, and Ingram all give you better/more efficient scoring as starters and/or first options than Herro. Majority of those guys are on extensions from their rookie deal and they all make around $27M-$33M. This isn’t even factoring in the fact that they are all better all around players than Herro.

Let’s see if he can take another jump this season and get in the conversation with these guys.

They are basically all on rookie extensions so that means one needs to trade for them, that means multiple unprotected first round draft picks and swaps. The only player on that list that might be possible and even that is a long shot is Fox. When those players hit free agency they will be looking at 45+ mil contracts.

The cap goes up and when we factor inflation, Herro at 30 mil is the norm, it’s not over or under paying him just the norm.

I’m not talking about trading for them, those are just guys who are better at Herros best attribute (much better all around) making the money we’re going to be paying Herro soon. Miami isn’t 100% sold or he would’ve been extended awhile ago.

Let’s see if he can take another jump and prove he deserves it, I think he could.

[twix2500]

I’m asking you brother, if we’re going to pay someone to be our scorer they need to be an elite bucket getter and be able to get us one when we need it most, which will mostly come in isolation situations at the end of a close game. You’re saying he doesn’t have that in him so I’m asking if that means we should trade him and not pay him

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Rumor about a month ago. Heat and Herro had agreed in principle to around 26 per prior to Durant rumors, but once the Durant thing happened and never happened Herro agent has now requested closer to 30 per. Which is likely now one of the reasons they are stalling till the last min. And maybe they wanted to see his development over the summer present itself in camp. Oct 17 is the deadline. But im sure Herro agent trying to push a decision before an injury can occur




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[Flash4thewin]

I have him at 25 mill. Iv said it before. I put him in the class of John Collins or Goran Dragic. However I have elite scorers at 35 and up, for me which is 24 or 25 pts and up. 30 is overpaying, but if he can be an efficient to 21 pt scorer with respectable defense then it will be more justifiable.

But I was just asking to get more understanding what you expect from a 30 mill player.

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Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Rumor about a month ago. Heat and Herro had agreed in principle to around 26 per prior to Durant rumors, but once the Durant thing happened and never happened Herro agent has now requested closer to 30 per. Which is likely now one of the reasons they are stalling till the last min. And maybe they wanted to see his development over the summer present itself in camp. Oct 17 is the deadline. But im sure Herro agent trying to push a decision before an injury can occur




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RJ Barrett got 30 mil a year, thats what happened. Assuming that rumor is true which honestly doesn't sound likely considering Brunson got 25 mil, then the Heat blew it. Thats assuming the rumor is true. I can see Herro changing agent representation to one that will make sure he gets paid, dont be surprised if Klutch gets involved.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Klutch he’s definitely getting traded then

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You could argue Herro is better than RJ right now, you can also argue RJ has much higher potential due to his physical and athletic gifts being greater than Herros. Keep in mind Hero has a far better team and coaching around him right now too. No telling how they’d do if the roles were reversed

[AirP.]

Dragic was signed to that contract years ago. That same contract in todays market is 30+ mil. So if you want to pay him like Dragic then you have no problem paying him the 30 million, the only difference is the cap going up and inflation. An elite scorer will be getting paid in the Butler area or more so think 45+. Beal is an elite scorer and his new deal is 50+.

Rumor about a month ago. Heat and Herro had agreed in principle to around 26 per prior to Durant rumors, but once the Durant thing happened and never happened Herro agent has now requested closer to 30 per. Which is likely now one of the reasons they are stalling till the last min. And maybe they wanted to see his development over the summer present itself in camp. Oct 17 is the deadline. But im sure Herro agent trying to push a decision before an injury can occur




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RJ Barrett got 30 mil a year, thats what happened. Assuming that rumor is true which honestly doesn't sound likely considering Brunson got 25 mil, then the Heat blew it. Thats assuming the rumor is true. I can see Herro changing agent representation to one that will make sure he gets paid, dont be surprised if Klutch gets involved.

25 mil is 20% of the cap, 30 million is nearly 25% of the cap, to put that much money towards a player long-term while chasing a championship means you're expect him to be a top 3 or top 4 player on championship team and outside his rookie year when he may have barely been in the scouting report, he's not done a whole lot in the playoffs.


These are his PER36 playoff stats to see his rate of stats to see what he's doing when on the court in the playoffs.

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+----+-----------+---+--+----+----+---+---+---+-----+------+
|year|player     |age|g |pts |fga |ast|trb|tov|fgpct|fg3pct|
+----+-----------+---+--+----+----+---+---+---+-----+------+
|2020|Tyler Herro|20 |21|17.1|14.1|3.9|5.5|2.1|0.433|0.375 |
|2021|Tyler Herro|21 |4 |14.3|14.7|2.7|5  |1.2|0.316|0.316 |
|2022|Tyler Herro|22 |15|17.9|17.1|4  |5.5|2.6|0.409|0.229 |
+----+-----------+---+--+----+----+---+---+---+-----+------+

Had Herro had a good playoffs, showed the effort to play defense to try to make up for his problems on offense maybe this decision is easier for Miami's FO but putting up the production he has in the playoffs coupled with being a bad defender, it's probably not a good value to sign him for a big contract.

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BTW... first preseason game is Tuesday vs Minnesota.

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