Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

With $237M in the bank, color me amazed if Kev came back on a vet min deal.

Expiring contracts are often only as good as the assets you attach, or as bad as the awful contract you're subtracting from another team. Love's contract may be too big to help us, but we shall see.

If/when Kevin's gone we're going to have to start worrying about our backup PF, or maybe earlier if he can't stay healthy. Wade seems a likely candidate (if he's not our starting SF), and perhaps Stevens or even Osman if we can't bring in something better.

Another downside of losing Lauri ... not that he was a very good PF either.

[KuruptedCav]

I'm not too hot on moving Love after trading Lauri. We improve our starting unit, theoretically, but then take a sizable hit to our bench squad.

Not going to comment on Love over some starting wing, but all thoughts need to be to the future as Cavs are (most likely) not contenders this year.

Love will be an unrestricted free agent and while he won't have a huge market, he may have a market and I assume we don't want to be buyers in the Love market (unless we get him for the vet min). Love is also getting older so his usefulness on a competitive team will start diminishing even faster. Have you seen his defense in the past few years?

Using his contract to further our future is vastly beneficial to us versus a single season of Love. There could even be a handshake agreement if he is traded he could be back next season (a la Rubio). Last year, he was beneficial to us on and off the court (as a veteran leader). The on-court impact will start fading soon, but it would be nice to have him on that vet min for a few seasons.

Our very own David Lee


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[jbk1234]

Question still stands, what do we think it will realistically take for Sacramento to move Barnes. He's on an expiring deal, and he is ~4 years older than Sacramento's core, so I have some doubts that he will be there next season.

Today, a lottery protected first.
At the deadline, a late first (any first from a contender).

Cavs have 2nds
$6 million in Cash
Future cap space
Khalifa Diop
Luke Travers

I can see a scenario where the Cavs take on money they don’t want for 2023 to acquire a pick to route to Sacramento.


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Maybe something that looks like:

Cleveland Out: LeVert, Osman, Okoro, Travers, 2x SRP, $5 million
Cleveland In: Barnes, Bullock

Sacramento Out: Barnes
Sacramento In: Bertans, Okoro, 2x SRP

Dallas Out: Bertans, Bullock
Dallas In: LeVert, Osman, Travers, $5 million

Cleveland locks up wing. Sacramento gets more timeline appropriate SF, and Dallas cuts out that future money.


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The problem is that neither the Kings, nor especially the Mavs, are looking to make these types of moves. Even if they were, I think there's a team dumb enough to give up a first for either/both players.

I'm resigned to the reality that the Cavs SF rotation is what it is to start the season. As we get closer to the deadline, players like Burks and Reddish could be available for seconds. The Hornets might be willing to dump Hayward if he wants out and they're in late lottery territory. But otherwise, we're looking at using cap space next summer to bring in a guy like Bullock.

[jbk1234]

Also, I think the Cavs need to get everyone on the court, see what they have, and then evaluate the trade market. We started last season with a bunch of assumptions about the team and most of those assumptions proved incorrect.

While I'm not optimistic, one of Okoro, Wade, or Windler could take a considerable step in the right direction. Mitchell could realize that he has to apply himself on both ends of the court playing alongside Garland.

But, the Cavs should not be shipping out the few remaining assets they have left on meh guys this early.

[JonFromVA]

Also, I think the Cavs need to get everyone on the court, see what they have, and then evaluate the trade market. We started last season with a bunch of assumptions about the team and most of those assumptions proved incorrect.

While I'm not optimistic, one of Okoro, Wade, or Windler could take a considerable step in the right direction. Mitchell could realize that he has to apply himself on both ends of the court playing alongside Garland.

But, the Cavs should not be shipping out the few remaining assets they have left on meh guys this early.

I'm optimistic ... why not? What have we got to lose?

But I don't tend to make assumptions, just pretty much rely on what I see, what I can back with numbers, what I've read, what I can piece together, and what I've seen happen in the past.

Speaking of what I've seen in the past ... while I like the idea of patience and seeing if someone will step-up in the role ... don't discount Altman/Gansey doing something out of the blue. They've likely targeted certain players around the league as an upgrade for us (like they did with Allen) and are just waiting to see if an opportunity arises when they can pull off a deal.

[JujitsuFlip]

Today, a lottery protected first.
At the deadline, a late first (any first from a contender).

Cavs have 2nds
$6 million in Cash
Future cap space
Khalifa Diop
Luke Travers

I can see a scenario where the Cavs take on money they don’t want for 2023 to acquire a pick to route to Sacramento.


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Maybe something that looks like:

Cleveland Out: LeVert, Osman, Okoro, Travers, 2x SRP, $5 million
Cleveland In: Barnes, Bullock

Sacramento Out: Barnes
Sacramento In: Bertans, Okoro, 2x SRP

Dallas Out: Bertans, Bullock
Dallas In: LeVert, Osman, Travers, $5 million

Cleveland locks up wing. Sacramento gets more timeline appropriate SF, and Dallas cuts out that future money.


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The problem is that neither the Kings, nor especially the Mavs, are looking to make these types of moves. Even if they were, I think there's a team dumb enough to give up a first for either/both players.

I'm resigned to the reality that the Cavs SF rotation is what it is to start the season. As we get closer to the deadline, players like Burks and Reddish could be available for seconds. The Hornets might be willing to dump Hayward if he wants out and they're in late lottery territory. But otherwise, we're looking at using cap space next summer to bring in a guy like Bullock.

100% agree.

Teams aren't chomping at the bit to trade starters for 2nd rounders. 2nd rounders can be bought, that's how pointless they are.

[toooskies]

I agree, there's no hurry to get anything done. The value of expiring salary only goes up as you get closer to the deadline, and the on-court value of LeVert, Wade, Stevens, and even Windler can go up as well.

That said, I wouldn't shy away from us being contenders this year. While this team hasn't made the playoffs together, Rubio, Mitchell, LeVert, Love, Allen, and Lopez have all seen multiple years of playoffs in their careers. Just Garland, Mobley, and Okoro will be seeing their first playoffs among our expected playoff rotation. Even Cedi tagged along in our last LeBron year, although he didn't play much.

[KuruptedCav]

Not saying they should do something. Just that they will have options.

Personally, I like going into the season with Dean Wade, Caris LeVert, Cedi Osman and Issac Okoro.

Wade has size, 6’10” with a 6’10” wingspan. He’s just arcing into the curve I expect from 4 year college players. He’s always had a nice shot and the foot injury appears clearly in the rear view. Can they live with lack of athleticism on the wing? We did with Lauri.

Cedi Osman also has size. 6’8” with a 6’11” wingspan. He’s shown the ability to shoot in the past, point Cedi was rough because his handles are rough, but he can play make and pass well. Rebounding and free throw shooting are serious pain points here though.

Caris LeVert has average size for the position at 6’6” with a 6’10” wingspan. He can score in buckets and create shots, just not efficiently. Dubious he can play in a 3 man with Mitchell and Garland. But, showed enough effort in defense and has enough talent to try before cutting losses.

I’m less optimistic about Okoro there long-term. I still think he projects as a SG, a better Tony Allen. But, I do think he has the size/strength to force players to go over him instead of through/around him.


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[JonFromVA]

So, fwiw, Miles Bridges is now an unrestricted free-agent.

[jbk1234]

So, fwiw, Miles Bridges is now an unrestricted free-agent.

He's going to prison.

[JujitsuFlip]

So, fwiw, Miles Bridges is now an unrestricted free-agent.

No he's not...

[ijspeelman]

So, fwiw, Miles Bridges is now an unrestricted free-agent.

He's going to prison.

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

[jbk1234]

So, fwiw, Miles Bridges is now an unrestricted free-agent.

He's going to prison.

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

[mcfly1204]

He's going to prison.

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Even if he were to get off, if we're taking a chance on someone, I'd rather look for an injury rebound player than someone with off-court issues.

[ijspeelman]

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Even if he were to get off, if we're taking a chance on someone, I'd rather look for an injury rebound player than someone with off-court issues.

Part of me fears that the Cavs would look to sign him since he fits pretty perfectly for what we need on-court, but they have also done a pretty good job in the last few years picking up players that fit our culture and are not off-court issues.

[jbk1234]

He's going to prison.

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Now that I think about it more, *allowing* the Q.O. to expire is just PR. Miles allowed the Q.O. to expire and he's still a restricted free agent by operation of rule. At this point, the only reason for him not to sign it, and become unrestricted at the end of the year, is if no other team is currently interested anyway.

[ijspeelman]

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Now that I think about it more, *allowing* the Q.O. to expire is just PR. Miles allowed the Q.O. to expire and he's still a restricted free agent by operation of rule. At this point, the only reason for him not to sign it, and become unrestricted at the end of the year, is if no other team is currently interested anyway.

I doubt any team attempts to sign him this year. That seems like it would be a PR disaster (*cough cough* Browns).

[toooskies]

Bridges would definitely not fit with JBB's emphasis of players as good people.

But besides that, there's no point signing or trading a guy when he might go to prison, will likely face a hefty suspension from the league afterwards, and is otherwise under team control so might require additional other assets in return. See another Cleveland sports franchise.

[JonFromVA]

Well… he should go to prison (if guilty which he most likely is).

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Now that I think about it more, *allowing* the Q.O. to expire is just PR. Miles allowed the Q.O. to expire and he's still a restricted free agent by operation of rule. At this point, the only reason for him not to sign it, and become unrestricted at the end of the year, is if no other team is currently interested anyway.

Is that the nuance?

Because if they rescinded it (or never offered it) he should be unrestricted - there's even an option where both sides can agree to extend it.

Maybe this is the same as him not accepting the QO, which would leave him still restricted.

[JonFromVA]

I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.

Even if he were to get off, if we're taking a chance on someone, I'd rather look for an injury rebound player than someone with off-court issues.

Part of me fears that the Cavs would look to sign him since he fits pretty perfectly for what we need on-court, but they have also done a pretty good job in the last few years picking up players that fit our culture and are not off-court issues.

Yes, I'm not suggesting we should go after him (even if we could sign him for whatever cap space we have left), but there is a level of temptation and even with KPJ the Cavs were willing to work with him and try to help him improve after his multiple off-the-court problems. Of course it makes a difference that he was "our guy" and we knew he got along with his teammates.