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[LikeABosh]

Russ...????

Unless you know the play call and the read progressions, these still photos that capture a millisecond in time are always frustrating to me. This isn't Thanksgiving in your back yard where you just drop back and scan the field while grandpa counts to 10 Mississippi before rushing. I could care less about Wilson and his success, but he is obviously looking left as that was how the play is designed.

No, he is obviously looking left because he's doing what he did all game: stare down his favorite target

You can watch the whole clip. It was a rub route that got Hamler wide open and that is 100% by design. There was a reason he was pissed. There was a huge window Russ could have gotten him the ball but he never looked past his 1st read (and he had plenty of time to do so). He blew it

[Treebeard]

Three questions on Hackett:

How much of this seasons awful performance falls on Hackett?

What, if anything, does it say about his tenure in GB? Is he a "Peter Principle" guy who got promoted out of his capacity?

[Ron Swanson]

Probably shows more about how incredibly overrated Russ has been his entire career much more than it says about Hackett. I've argued with people for years about this, but without a Top-3 defense and/or a wealth of offensive play-makers, this is what you get with him. And that's not even getting into his weird religious nutjob views and pretentious, fake-humble "leadership" style and public persona.

[BUCKnation]

Russ was awful yesterday. So many throws were way off, simple ones too. That last play wasn't even about progressions, Hamler was open the entire route but Russ didn't even look to the right side of the field.

[skones]

Three questions on Hackett:

How much of this seasons awful performance falls on Hackett?

What, if anything, does it say about his tenure in GB? Is he a "Peter Principle" guy who got promoted out of his capacity?

Hacketts baffling decision making has already cost them in the standings on more than one occasion. Given how the offense looks plus that, he looks entirely unfit for the NFL period let alone a head coaching gig. He's making mistakes high school coaches don't even make.

I'd be more shocked if Hackett lasted the season than if he were fired before next week.

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[sdn40]

Russ...????

Unless you know the play call and the read progressions, these still photos that capture a millisecond in time are always frustrating to me. This isn't Thanksgiving in your back yard where you just drop back and scan the field while grandpa counts to 10 Mississippi before rushing. I could care less about Wilson and his success, but he is obviously looking left as that was how the play is designed.

No, he is obviously looking left because he's doing what he did all game: stare down his favorite target

You can watch the whole clip. It was a rub route that got Hamler wide open and that is 100% by design. There was a reason he was pissed. There was a huge window Russ could have gotten him the ball but he never looked past his 1st read (and he had plenty of time to do so). He blew it

Might want to google how plays work. There are certain drop backs and certain footwork and reads that all coincide with the routes run by each receiver. They run those plays a billion times in practice in order for the qb to have muscle memory and allow his footwork to lead his eyes. Pretty obvious that Wilson's feet align with his eyes in the photo. It's not rocket science. Highly doubtful that they then throw all of that out the window to allow Wilson to play backyard football. Another clue may be Wilson standing on the left hash and the play design is in front of him instead of throwing across the hash in the end zone. There are a million things that go into these plays. The same things comes up with the Packers 2 or 3 times a season, usually the playoffs where xbox players who are undefeated yell about how they would be a better qb than Rodgers

[skones]

Might want to google how plays work. There are certain drop backs and certain footwork and reads that all coincide with the routes run by each receiver. They run those plays a billion times in practice in order for the qb to have muscle memory and allow his footwork to lead his eyes. Pretty obvious that Wilson's feet align with his eyes in the photo. It's not rocket science. Highly doubtful that they then throw all of that out the window to allow Wilson to play backyard football. The same things comes up with the Packers 2 or 3 times a season, usually the playoffs where xbox players who are undefeated yell about how they would be a better qb than Rodgers

Curious, have you actually watched the Broncos play this season? I've seen quite a bit (RIP Javonte Williams and my fantasy team). They're averaging under 15 points a contest. It's a complete eyesore. Nobody should be surprised at this point that the plan is to "give russ the ball and play backyard football" with Hackett continually looking like a dunce.


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[sdn40]

Might want to google how plays work. There are certain drop backs and certain footwork and reads that all coincide with the routes run by each receiver. They run those plays a billion times in practice in order for the qb to have muscle memory and allow his footwork to lead his eyes. Pretty obvious that Wilson's feet align with his eyes in the photo. It's not rocket science. Highly doubtful that they then throw all of that out the window to allow Wilson to play backyard football. The same things comes up with the Packers 2 or 3 times a season, usually the playoffs where xbox players who are undefeated yell about how they would be a better qb than Rodgers

Curious, have you actually watched the Broncos play this season? I've seen quite a bit (RIP Javonte Williams and my fantasy team). They're averaging under 15 points a contest. It's a complete eyesore. Nobody should be surprised at this point that the plan is to "give russ the ball and play backyard football" with Hackett continually looking like a dunce.


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And maybe they don't even call plays. The receivers just run around wherever they want !!

Everybody should be surprised if that's the plan - cuz it's not. New (and first time) head coach, new system, new qb. A smarter fantasy owner would have known better

[skones]

And maybe they don't even call plays. The receivers just run around wherever they want !!

Everybody should be surprised if that's the plan - cuz it's not. New (and first time) head coach, new system, new qb. A smarter fantasy owner would have known better

So no. Didn't think so.

But hey, let me know if you're privy to the authority Wilson has in the huddle particularly when Hackett went on record and said the plan was to give Russ the ball (in shotgun! On 4th and 1 instead of tying the ball game with a FG). We're beyond logic.

As for the jab, lol. For sure smarter fantasy owners would have been able to predict a torn ACL. Wipe the clown makeup off.



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[sdn40]

And maybe they don't even call plays. The receivers just run around wherever they want !!

Everybody should be surprised if that's the plan - cuz it's not. New (and first time) head coach, new system, new qb. A smarter fantasy owner would have known better

So no. Didn't think so.

But hey, let me know if you're privy to the authority Wilson has in the huddle particularly when Hackett went on record and said the plan was to give Russ the ball (in shotgun! On 4th and 1 instead of tying the ball game with a FG). We're beyond logic.

As for the jab, lol. Unnecessary and petty looks good on you.



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A lack of knowledge on your part is not a problem on my part. FYI giving Russ the ball in shotgun doesn't mean a play wasn't called, routes weren't run, and qb progressions weren't executed. Pretty fundamental stuff.

[Matches Malone]

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[Ron Swanson]

And Seattle gets Denver's 2023 1st, woof.

[Cactus Jack]

And Seattle gets Denver's 2023 1st, woof.

1st & 2nd this year.

[skones]

And maybe they don't even call plays. The receivers just run around wherever they want !!

Everybody should be surprised if that's the plan - cuz it's not. New (and first time) head coach, new system, new qb. A smarter fantasy owner would have known better

So no. Didn't think so.

But hey, let me know if you're privy to the authority Wilson has in the huddle particularly when Hackett went on record and said the plan was to give Russ the ball (in shotgun! On 4th and 1 instead of tying the ball game with a FG). We're beyond logic.

As for the jab, lol. Unnecessary and petty looks good on you.



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A lack of knowledge on your part is not a problem on my part. FYI giving Russ the ball in shotgun doesn't mean a play wasn't called, routes weren't run, and qb progressions weren't executed. Pretty fundamental stuff.

Lack of knowledge? You're claiming you know the read progression with how a play was designed with massive information gaps. You're speaking in absolutes about things you can't possibly know about and it's my "lack of knowledge?" Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Here's a fundamental thing, a coach doesn't send in a play and then that's the end all be all for the call. In an end of game situation, with a QB with the stature of Wilson, a HC is going to rely on what the QB sees. That means, as things often do in the NFL, things go off script. You're literally claiming that Russ made the correct reads, in the order he was supposed to without knowing the original play call, any alterations to the play/routes made in the huddle, AND at the line of scrimmage.

You literally mentioned a new head coach, new system, and new QB, and saying, "no, this is for sure how this play was designed, and Wilson did the correct thing" with massive information gaps, but keep on keeping on I guess.

[MoreTrife]

Watching some former stud QBs struggle, it has to add to the appreciation of ARod's longevity. I've been as frustrated as any at the way ARod plays at times but at the end of the day he's in his late 30s and has been playing at a high level for...12, 13 years? We've been spoiled.

[skones]

Watching some former stud QBs struggle, it has to add to the appreciation of ARod's longevity. I've been as frustrated as any at the way ARod plays at times but at the end of the day he's in his late 30s and has been playing at a high level for...12, 13 years? We've been spoiled.

It goes to something I had talked about when Rodgers was struggling and many were over it here in those final McCarthy years. Obviously the statistical output wasn't there when it came to our overall expectations, but the command and knowledge a guy like Rodgers has to make certain things work is a bit of an x-factor. As in, replace Rodgers with another QB who throws 25 TDs, and we weren't even a 6 win ball club imo. He lifts this team's floor so much it's almost comical. We saw that in that Hundley season.

[sdn40]

So no. Didn't think so.

But hey, let me know if you're privy to the authority Wilson has in the huddle particularly when Hackett went on record and said the plan was to give Russ the ball (in shotgun! On 4th and 1 instead of tying the ball game with a FG). We're beyond logic.

As for the jab, lol. Unnecessary and petty looks good on you.



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A lack of knowledge on your part is not a problem on my part. FYI giving Russ the ball in shotgun doesn't mean a play wasn't called, routes weren't run, and qb progressions weren't executed. Pretty fundamental stuff.

Lack of knowledge? You're claiming you know the read progression with how a play was designed with massive information gaps. You're speaking in absolutes about things you can't possibly know about and it's my "lack of knowledge?" Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Here's a fundamental thing, a coach doesn't send in a play and then that's the end all be all for the call. In an end of game situation, with a QB with the stature of Wilson, a HC is going to rely on what the QB sees. That means, as things often do in the NFL, things go off script. You're literally claiming that Russ made the correct reads, in the order he was supposed to without knowing the original play call, any alterations to the play/routes made in the huddle, AND at the line of scrimmage.

You literally mentioned a new head coach, new system, and new QB, and saying, "no, this is for sure how this play was designed, and Wilson did the correct thing" with massive information gaps, but keep on keeping on I guess.

I never claimed to know the read progression. The simple point that they exist seems to be lost on fans. I also never claimed that since my fantasy football team sucks, the Bronco organization is in chaos. I simply stated that it's not as easy as playing a youtube video at .25 speed and circling an open receiver in red and saying it's the QB's fault. I understand it's hard for some people to understand the routes and timing and dropbacks and progressions are all timed together. It's just easier to sleep at night blaming Rodgers or Wilson.
You pick whatever works for you.

[skones]

I never claimed to know the read progression. The simple point that they exist seems to be lost on fans. I also never claimed that since my fantasy football team sucks, the Bronco organization is in chaos. I simply stated that it's not as easy as playing a youtube video at .25 speed and circling an open receiver in red and saying it's the QB's fault. I understand it's hard for some people to understand the routes and timing and dropbacks and progressions are all timed together. It's just easier to sleep at night blaming Rodgers or Wilson.
You pick whatever works for you.

You did though, as has already been pointed out by someone else. It's not lost on anyone that read progressions exist. Nobody is arguing that freeze framing a play and picking an open receiver is the single best way to claim anything. That would be without context. The problem here, is that without context and legitimate knowledge of the play, you're claiming, "That is how the play was designed, left." You don't have the knowledge base to legitimately make that claim as I've argued prior. We have 5 weeks of context telling us that Wilson is playing poorly and consistently making bogus reads, at a certain point, ie. 5 weeks, you lose the benefit of the doubt not that anyone believes Hackett is doing him any favors either.

Unless you know the play call and the read progressions, these still photos that capture a millisecond in time are always frustrating to me. This isn't Thanksgiving in your back yard where you just drop back and scan the field while grandpa counts to 10 Mississippi before rushing. I could care less about Wilson and his success, but he is obviously looking left as that was how the play is designed.

So no, given the dysfunction in Denver, it's really not obvious to anyone as to how a play is designed. That's kind of the problem there. If we want to talk likelihoods (as we should be), it's highly unlikely that a play is designed with a quick hitting rub route on 4th and 1 being a bail out last read. It's likelier, that Wilson dropped the ball and stared down a receiver.

[Finn]

If Wilson was shown that photo, I wonder what his response would be? Just working through my progressions or ****, he's wide open & missed him!

[sdn40]

I never claimed to know the read progression. The simple point that they exist seems to be lost on fans. I also never claimed that since my fantasy football team sucks, the Bronco organization is in chaos. I simply stated that it's not as easy as playing a youtube video at .25 speed and circling an open receiver in red and saying it's the QB's fault. I understand it's hard for some people to understand the routes and timing and dropbacks and progressions are all timed together. It's just easier to sleep at night blaming Rodgers or Wilson.
You pick whatever works for you.

You did though, as has already been pointed out by someone else. It's not lost on anyone that read progressions exist. Nobody is arguing that freeze framing a play and picking an open receiver is the single best way to claim anything. That would be without context. The problem here, is that without context and legitimate knowledge of the play, you're claiming, "That is how the play was designed, left." You don't have the knowledge base to legitimately make that claim as I've argued prior. We have 5 weeks of context telling us that Wilson is playing poorly and consistently making bogus reads, at a certain point, ie. 5 weeks, you lose the benefit of the doubt not that anyone believes Hackett is doing him any favors either.

Unless you know the play call and the read progressions, these still photos that capture a millisecond in time are always frustrating to me. This isn't Thanksgiving in your back yard where you just drop back and scan the field while grandpa counts to 10 Mississippi before rushing. I could care less about Wilson and his success, but he is obviously looking left as that was how the play is designed.

So no, given the dysfunction in Denver, it's really not obvious to anyone as to how a play is designed. That's kind of the problem there. If we want to talk likelihoods (as we should be), it's highly unlikely that a play is designed with a quick hitting rub route on 4th and 1 being a bail out last read. It's likelier, that Wilson dropped the ball and stared down a receiver.

You are leaving out the part where I said they run these plays a million times in practice. And since the plays are designed for routes and windows to come open at different times, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for the QB to drop back and change his progressions. You are claiming Wilson went rogue. I'm saying the chances of that are slim to none, because it wouldn't make any sense to do so. You should have heard Rodgers talk about how Clements is working with Loves footwork for the same exact reasons.