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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1681 » by Audi » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:38 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Josh Giddey will get them triple doubles like nothing this year. Guy in preseason hardly plays over 20 min and he is in every game close to them.
Probably my MIP candidate, but ofc nba only cares about points so he might not get it.


The fact that you are so high on guy shooting 28% from 3 and 73% from the stripe is nothing short of baffling. Seems like the type of player you'd trash, not pick as a personal favorite for an award. Are you feeling ok? :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1682 » by Bakomagic » Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:26 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Josh Giddey will get them triple doubles like nothing this year. Guy in preseason hardly plays over 20 min and he is in every game close to them.
Probably my MIP candidate, but ofc nba only cares about points so he might not get it.


The fact that you are so high on guy shooting 28% from 3 and 73% from the stripe is nothing short of baffling. Seems like the type of player you'd trash, not pick as a personal favorite for an award. Are you feeling ok? :lol:


Giddey is fun to watch when he is playmaking but if he were on our team I’d be frustrated with his shooting and bad defense.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

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Post#1684 » by thelead » Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:54 pm

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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1685 » by JBSouthpaw » Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:55 pm

I want Duarte from Indy or Strus from Miami. Slight over pay for either would be shooting upgrades to our guards
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Post#1686 » by JBSouthpaw » Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:56 pm

I want Duarte from Indy or Strus from Miami. Slight over pay for either would be shooting upgrades to our guards
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Post#1687 » by YosemiteSam » Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:30 pm

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The tax that the GSWs will be paying is insane


I get the need to retain an asset and I get the increasing salary cap. And I really like Poole. But $35M a year based on 1.5 years of performance?

They might have the richest owners and be willing to lose money from an operating perspective, but if Wiggins gets paid too then something has to give. And it has to be a trade for draft picks as they can’t take salary back. And therefore it has to be a team with cap room or an exception

So if Draymond is devalued to anyone except them, and they want to keep Wiggins and Poole and obviously Curry, the two options are packaging their recent high draft selections who they are paying double basically because of the tax. Or could Klay be available? Would any of you be interested in Klay as a short term investment to help accelerate the growth of our team like Chris Paul did to Phoenix?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1688 » by pepe1991 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:25 pm

Another one bites the dust.

Free agency 2023, much like 2022 is shaping into yet another fool's gold for smaller market teams
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1689 » by pepe1991 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:48 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Josh Giddey will get them triple doubles like nothing this year. Guy in preseason hardly plays over 20 min and he is in every game close to them.
Probably my MIP candidate, but ofc nba only cares about points so he might not get it.


The fact that you are so high on guy shooting 28% from 3 and 73% from the stripe is nothing short of baffling. Seems like the type of player you'd trash, not pick as a personal favorite for an award. Are you feeling ok? :lol:


Josh Giddey turned 20 five days ago. By all perimeters he should be rookie, not sophmore. ( for comparison sake, he is one month older than Banchero ).

His preseason stats in 22 min : 14 ppg, 6 rpg, 6,6 apg.
56,6% FG, 53% for 3 , 64% FTs.

He had two games where he had 9 assists in less than 26 min.

Btw where did you get that i'm " so high" ? Projecting much?
I said he is my favorite for MIP because he will get touches, usage and he improved over summer ( guy averaged 9 apg in SL playing slightly over 26 min ).

That doesn't mean he is flawless or that i'm "so high" on him like you tried to paint it. But it doesn't take educated scouts to see 20 years old guy who moves ball around like Jokic to understand his passing is already one of best in nba.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1690 » by fendilim » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:07 am

YosemiteSam wrote:
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Cross him off the list (for now).

The tax that the GSWs will be paying is insane


I get the need to retain an asset and I get the increasing salary cap. And I really like Poole. But $35M a year based on 1.5 years of performance?

They might have the richest owners and be willing to lose money from an operating perspective, but if Wiggins gets paid too then something has to give. And it has to be a trade for draft picks as they can’t take salary back. And therefore it has to be a team with cap room or an exception

So if Draymond is devalued to anyone except them, and they want to keep Wiggins and Poole and obviously Curry, the two options are packaging their recent high draft selections who they are paying double basically because of the tax. Or could Klay be available? Would any of you be interested in Klay as a short term investment to help accelerate the growth of our team like Chris Paul did to Phoenix?

Well, there really was no way they dont sign them to an extension.

It gives them more leverage in a pending trade because they are locked up in the next few years.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1691 » by Knightro » Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:14 am

I think it's beyond clear at this point that this will be Draymond's last year with the Warriors.

If he opts in, they'll trade him. If he opts out, they'll let him walk.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1692 » by MagicFan101 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:47 pm

Before the eye rolls and hateful replies, I know, I know … but, hear me out …

1) Fultz can’t stay healthy.
2) We probably our a true #1 in Paolo now
3) We have multiple ball handlers
4) Suggs is a defensive force
5) We just need our PG to be a legit / complete offensive weapon …

That brings me to my point. Deangelo Russell appears to be hitting the market again at just 26 years old. If he is willing to take less than the max for the sake a stability and a long term deal does Orlando take a bite???
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Post#1693 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:13 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Before the eye rolls and hateful replies, I know, I know … but, hear me out …

1) Fultz can’t stay healthy.
2) We probably our a true #1 in Paolo now
3) We have multiple ball handlers
4) Suggs is a defensive force
5) We just need our PG to be a legit / complete offensive weapon …

That brings me to my point. Deangelo Russell appears to be hitting the market again at just 26 years old. If he is willing to take less than the max for the sake a stability and a long term deal does Orlando take a bite???


The guy is so poor defensively that the Wolves had to take him off the floor in the waning moments of playoff games. Why not just be patient with Suggs and look for a SG who can shoot and play defense?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1694 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:15 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Before the eye rolls and hateful replies, I know, I know … but, hear me out …

1) Fultz can’t stay healthy.
2) We probably our a true #1 in Paolo now
3) We have multiple ball handlers
4) Suggs is a defensive force
5) We just need our PG to be a legit / complete offensive weapon …

That brings me to my point. Deangelo Russell appears to be hitting the market again at just 26 years old. If he is willing to take less than the max for the sake a stability and a long term deal does Orlando take a bite???

My concern isn’t health, Again I Personally don’t like the idea of taking the ball out of Franz/PB5’s hands right now and I think Fultz does that.

In fairness We haven’t seen how Fultz impacts how we currently play. He could slide right in and we’d be fine but it feels like a 3PT shooting/scoring PG like Russell fits better with how we currently play. I currently have no educated opinion on the guy so I’ll need to go look some of his metrics, how he plays, etc…
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1695 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:23 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Before the eye rolls and hateful replies, I know, I know … but, hear me out …

1) Fultz can’t stay healthy.
2) We probably our a true #1 in Paolo now
3) We have multiple ball handlers
4) Suggs is a defensive force
5) We just need our PG to be a legit / complete offensive weapon …

That brings me to my point. Deangelo Russell appears to be hitting the market again at just 26 years old. If he is willing to take less than the max for the sake a stability and a long term deal does Orlando take a bite???


The guy is so poor defensively that the Wolves had to take him off the floor in the waning moments of playoff games. Why not just be patient with Suggs and look for a SG who can shoot and play defense?

And I knew he wasn’t great defensively but neither was KAT which is why they traded for Gobert. If you have an anchor like Rudy I think a team can afford a couple scorers who aren’t great defenders.
On the topic of playability, Gobert had to be pulled off the court in the POs because he was such an offensive liability. A lot of it depends on the make up of the team. IDK like I said I’m not a Russell fan but I don’t think it should be so easily dismissed as an option considering we all want Franz and Poalo getting more reps with the ball in their hands.
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Post#1696 » by jonbob17 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:26 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:And I knew he wasn’t great defensively but neither was KAT which is why they traded for Gobert. If you have an anchor like Rudy I think a team can afford a couple scorers who aren’t great defenders.
On the topic of playability, Gobert had to be pulled off the court in the POs because he was such an offensive liability. A lot of it depends on the make up of the team. IDK like I said I’m not a Russell fan but I don’t think it should be so easily dismissed as an option considering we all want Franz and Poalo getting more reps with the ball in their hands.



I guess we are about to find out. Of course if the wolves are successful, they probably aren't going to abandon it. And if they aren't successful, I am not sure we are going to want to retry their experiment. Russell is one of the better 3 point shooting PGs out there, especially when considering volume, but he does have some holes.

As for Gobert he shot 64% in the playoffs last year and played 33 minutes a game...not sure he got played off the court.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1697 » by thelead » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:38 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Before the eye rolls and hateful replies, I know, I know … but, hear me out …

1) Fultz can’t stay healthy.
2) We probably our a true #1 in Paolo now
3) We have multiple ball handlers
4) Suggs is a defensive force
5) We just need our PG to be a legit / complete offensive weapon …

That brings me to my point. Deangelo Russell appears to be hitting the market again at just 26 years old. If he is willing to take less than the max for the sake a stability and a long term deal does Orlando take a bite???


The guy is so poor defensively that the Wolves had to take him off the floor in the waning moments of playoff games. Why not just be patient with Suggs and look for a SG who can shoot and play defense?

We absolutely need to be patient this year. It’s a win-win regardless of how are young guards turn out. If Suggs proves that he can shoot and that last year’s shooting performance was a fluke, we’re good to go. If he still can’t shoot, we’ll likely have good lotto odds to draft his replacement.
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Post#1698 » by cedric76 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:24 am

jonbob17 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:And I knew he wasn’t great defensively but neither was KAT which is why they traded for Gobert. If you have an anchor like Rudy I think a team can afford a couple scorers who aren’t great defenders.
On the topic of playability, Gobert had to be pulled off the court in the POs because he was such an offensive liability. A lot of it depends on the make up of the team. IDK like I said I’m not a Russell fan but I don’t think it should be so easily dismissed as an option considering we all want Franz and Poalo getting more reps with the ball in their hands.



I guess we are about to find out. Of course if the wolves are successful, they probably aren't going to abandon it. And if they aren't successful, I am not sure we are going to want to retry their experiment. Russell is one of the better 3 point shooting PGs out there, especially when considering volume, but he does have some holes.

As for Gobert he shot 64% in the playoffs last year and played 33 minutes a game...not sure he got played off the court.


People are so in love with the 3 ball that they forgot about basic basketball

64% on 2pt fg is better than 40% on 3pt, and you can get FT on top of it and put the opponent team in foul trouble.

This is why a guy like Shaq would just destroy this soft NBA.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1699 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:00 am

cedric76 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:And I knew he wasn’t great defensively but neither was KAT which is why they traded for Gobert. If you have an anchor like Rudy I think a team can afford a couple scorers who aren’t great defenders.
On the topic of playability, Gobert had to be pulled off the court in the POs because he was such an offensive liability. A lot of it depends on the make up of the team. IDK like I said I’m not a Russell fan but I don’t think it should be so easily dismissed as an option considering we all want Franz and Poalo getting more reps with the ball in their hands.



I guess we are about to find out. Of course if the wolves are successful, they probably aren't going to abandon it. And if they aren't successful, I am not sure we are going to want to retry their experiment. Russell is one of the better 3 point shooting PGs out there, especially when considering volume, but he does have some holes.

As for Gobert he shot 64% in the playoffs last year and played 33 minutes a game...not sure he got played off the court.


People are so in love with the 3 ball that they forgot about basic basketball

64% on 2pt fg is better than 40% on 3pt, and you can get FT on top of it and put the opponent team in foul trouble.

This is why a guy like Shaq would just destroy this soft NBA.


In entire nba only 7 players shot 64% FG or higher.
Mitchell Robinson, Holmes, Plumlee, Allen, Harrell, Gobert, Williams.

For comparison sake, 34 different players shot 40% for 3 or higher.

*criteria being at least 22 mpg & at least 30 games played*
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Re: Official Speculation Thread: Summer League/FA/Preseason 

Post#1700 » by drsd » Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:16 am

pepe1991 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:

I guess we are about to find out. Of course if the wolves are successful, they probably aren't going to abandon it. And if they aren't successful, I am not sure we are going to want to retry their experiment. Russell is one of the better 3 point shooting PGs out there, especially when considering volume, but he does have some holes.

As for Gobert he shot 64% in the playoffs last year and played 33 minutes a game...not sure he got played off the court.


People are so in love with the 3 ball that they forgot about basic basketball

64% on 2pt fg is better than 40% on 3pt, and you can get FT on top of it and put the opponent team in foul trouble.

This is why a guy like Shaq would just destroy this soft NBA.


In entire nba only 7 players shot 64% FG or higher.
Mitchell Robinson, Holmes, Plumlee, Allen, Harrell, Gobert, Williams.

For comparison sake, 34 different players shot 40% for 3 or higher.

*criteria being at least 22 mpg & at least 30 games played*


To add as a comparison, Bo Outlaw routinely had an eFG% way above 60%. But this is about usage as much as percentages.


Mitchell Robinson takes 5-FGs per game.
Richaun Holmes takes 6-FGs per game.
Mason Plumlee takes 4-FGs per game.
Jarrett Allen takes 9-FGs per game.
Montrezl Harrell takes 7-FGs per game.
Rudy Gobert takes 7-FGs per game.


Shaquille O'Neal was on 16-FGs per game in his 60%.


p.s. is Jarrett Allen the most undervalued player in the NBA? Crap - he is hyper efficient in being a medium volume shooter. WOW.
His 20M per season might be the best value-contract in the NBA at the starter level.


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