PG: They scammed us out of a win

[prophet_of_rage]

I'm convinced that if we replaced RJ with Duece we probably we would have won that game all else being equal. Giving up on screens, nothing on offense..missing free throws. Just not a good day.

Cam has had decent outings before, but this was probably the first time I've watched him where he seemed to play with some level of urgency/passion instead of just floating out there. That's the level he needs to play at all the time if he wants to stick in the rotation.

Incentive bases contracts are terrible.

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[Chanel Bomber]

I'll need a list

Do the first two players prominently feature the letter "R" ?

You're terrible

In any case, that's the responsibility of the organization. I thought Thibs and the front office were negligent last year in many aspects. Thibs is at least a proven and respectable coach. I don't know what the FO's redeeming quality is.

Finding NBA jobs for marginal Kentucky basketball players?

Kentucky is a cover. Their loyalty really goes to Duke.

[KnicksNext]

So the outcome of this game is that JB, Jules and Evan played well. Mitch fouled too much and Hartenstein was a decent back up against weak opponents. Cam flashed something. And the rest weren't great.

So ... extrapolating wildly ... the robot sits whist Cam or some other player takes their place?

Did Fournier play well? He is what he is.

RJ couldn't hit a shot to save his life, nothing fell, not bunnies, no bounces, nothing. So what we should celebrate that when we just locked him up?

Celebrate the fact that some of knew he isn't going to be a superstar in this league (like Morant for example). He's a mid- upper-mid player. He has bounce and is not a good athlete. He got swatted several times with that patented drive to the basket. That's because he can't jump high enough to get over defenders (like Morant and DMitch can do).

Where are all the posters who were bashing anyone who has any skepticism about the future of RJ's career? Awfully quiet today.

[KnicksNext]

Where are all the posters who were bashing anyone who had some skepticism about the future of RJ's career? Awfully quiet today.

[KnicksNext]

So the outcome of this game is that JB, Jules and Evan played well. Mitch fouled too much and Hartenstein was a decent back up against weak opponents. Cam flashed something. And the rest weren't great.

So ... extrapolating wildly ... the robot sits whist Cam or some other player takes their place?

Did Fournier play well? He is what he is.

RJ couldn't hit a shot to save his life, nothing fell, not bunnies, no bounces, nothing. So what we should celebrate that when we just locked him up?

He looked TERRIBLE last night, and it was not just his shooting. Defense, some poor decisions (like when he jacked up that three near the end of the game for no reason). That shot showed his mindset during the game. No focus.

[KnixtapeH20]

So the outcome of this game is that JB, Jules and Evan played well. Mitch fouled too much and Hartenstein was a decent back up against weak opponents. Cam flashed something. And the rest weren't great.

So ... extrapolating wildly ... the robot sits whist Cam or some other player takes their place?

Did Fournier play well? He is what he is.

RJ couldn't hit a shot to save his life, nothing fell, not bunnies, no bounces, nothing. So what we should celebrate that when we just locked him up?

Celebrate the fact that some of knew he isn't going to be a superstar in this league (like Morant for example). He's a mid- upper-mid player. He has bounce and is not a good athlete. He got swatted several times with that patented drive to the basket. That's because he can't jump high enough to get over defenders (like Morant and DMitch can do).

Where are all the posters who were bashing anyone who has any skepticism about the future of RJ's career? Awfully quiet today.

And one game in a new season cements this?

[G_K_F]

He was 2 for 3 in 13 minutes shut the **** up

U can't have inefficient play in 13 minutes when u don't touch the ball dumbass

Nah punk ,
You can’t be out here chatting around like school girl
Then people to shut up when they talking about actual stuff .

You got a defense for why Mitch had 10 games last year where he had as many fouls as points?
And btw I said ineffective ,
Not inefficient , talking about he went 2 for 3 and then calling me names .
Lol you something else.

Guess the school of hard Knocks let some of you fall through the cracks.

He wasn't ineffective. He played defense something Isiah doesn't do. He was 2 for 3 not 2 for 13.

He started the game active they just didn't set up any lobs or pick n rolls in the 13 minutes he played. Bball isn't only about offense

No offense but you’re making beardonisdna look good which is a hard achievement.

Robinson being in foul trouble is a consistent problem. It’s nothing new. He’s gotten better at it but there are still plenty of games where he has to sit for a long time due to his inability to not foul. Acknowledging that - and his knack for injuries - isn’t an issue.

Beardonisdna is simply a clown with no real takes and just regurgitates the same thing in every post. It doesn’t take skill to be right on Mitchell in this situation since he says the same thing whether he is right or wrong. Beardonisdna was already excommunicated when he advocated trading 4 first round picks for Keldon Johnson and Jacob Poetl from the Spurs a few weeks ago.

[KnixtapeH20]

Nah punk ,
You can’t be out here chatting around like school girl
Then people to shut up when they talking about actual stuff .

You got a defense for why Mitch had 10 games last year where he had as many fouls as points?
And btw I said ineffective ,
Not inefficient , talking about he went 2 for 3 and then calling me names .
Lol you something else.

Guess the school of hard Knocks let some of you fall through the cracks.

He wasn't ineffective. He played defense something Isiah doesn't do. He was 2 for 3 not 2 for 13.

He started the game active they just didn't set up any lobs or pick n rolls in the 13 minutes he played. Bball isn't only about offense

No offense but you’re making beardonisdna look good which is a hard achievement.

Robinson being in foul trouble is a consistent problem. It’s nothing new. He’s gotten better at it but there are still plenty of games where he has to sit for a long time due to his inability to not foul. Acknowledging that - and his knack for injuries - isn’t an issue.

Beardonisdna is simply a clown with no real takes and just regurgitates the same thing in every post. It doesn’t take skill to be right on Mitchell in this situation since he says the same thing whether he is right or wrong. Beardonisdna was already excommunicated when he advocated trading 4 first round picks for Keldon Johnson and Jacob Poetl from the Spurs a few weeks ago.

Nothing he said makes him look good. Mitch was never in foul trouble last season. Mitch having 5 fouls was a product of Ja Morant being defended by RJ. So blame Thibs. Also u get 6 fouls not 5.

He had one bad foul last night where he just shoved adams aside lol. Other than that it was the refs calling superstar calls for the most part.

Randle had 6 fouls, Isiah had 5 fouls. U can't blame Mitch for playing 13 minutes

[KnicksNext]

Why can't we ever find a franchise player (or even a great player) on this roster? So sick of it.

We drop to the 3rd pick and miss out on JA and Zion. We draft Obi instead of Hali. The Knox pick. We miss out on Ivey and then DMitch because apparently the FO thinks we have enough talent to try and win without a DMitch. So sick of it.

We simply just do not have a lot of talent compared to almost all rosters in the NBA, including Orlando, Detroit, Cleveland, TWolves, Raptors, Pelicans,

There are 3 teams in the NBA that could be debatable in terms of which roster has the most talent (or least): Wizards, Indiana and Sac. We potentially could have a comparable or better roster than those 3. But that's not a fact, either. Wiz have Beal, Sac has some young solid pieces, same with Indiana.

Knicks are a bottom of the barrel team in the NBA. So little true talent. RJ is not a star, either is JB (although I think he's a great player to have on your roster). Randle is our best player. That's just a fact.

[ag3]

Remember, we chose Grimes and RJ over a young 26yr old superstar player, Mitchell.

Enjoy.

I have lost all excitement for this season as soon as Rose screwed that up.

Disgusted.

[bearadonisdna]

Nah punk ,
You can’t be out here chatting around like school girl
Then people to shut up when they talking about actual stuff .

You got a defense for why Mitch had 10 games last year where he had as many fouls as points?
And btw I said ineffective ,
Not inefficient , talking about he went 2 for 3 and then calling me names .
Lol you something else.

Guess the school of hard Knocks let some of you fall through the cracks.

He wasn't ineffective. He played defense something Isiah doesn't do. He was 2 for 3 not 2 for 13.

He started the game active they just didn't set up any lobs or pick n rolls in the 13 minutes he played. Bball isn't only about offense

No offense but you’re making beardonisdna look good which is a hard achievement.

Robinson being in foul trouble is a consistent problem. It’s nothing new. He’s gotten better at it but there are still plenty of games where he has to sit for a long time due to his inability to not foul. Acknowledging that - and his knack for injuries - isn’t an issue.

Beardonisdna is simply a clown with no real takes and just regurgitates the same thing in every post. It doesn’t take skill to be right on Mitchell in this situation since he says the same thing whether he is right or wrong. Beardonisdna was already excommunicated when he advocated trading 4 first round picks for Keldon Johnson and Jacob Poetl from the Spurs a few weeks ago.

You’re just a tanker
With loser talk
Loser narrative .
Me and the losers like this guy and H20 don’t mix.

[Gravy]

BEAST. If we drafted a player that did this everyone would be saying we got our star.

Read on Twitter

[KnicksNext]

Did Fournier play well? He is what he is.

RJ couldn't hit a shot to save his life, nothing fell, not bunnies, no bounces, nothing. So what we should celebrate that when we just locked him up?

Celebrate the fact that some of knew he isn't going to be a superstar in this league (like Morant for example). He's a mid- upper-mid player. He has bounce and is not a good athlete. He got swatted several times with that patented drive to the basket. That's because he can't jump high enough to get over defenders (like Morant and DMitch can do).

Where are all the posters who were bashing anyone who has any skepticism about the future of RJ's career? Awfully quiet today.

And one game in a new season cements this?

I agree, it's only 1 game out of 82, and things can happen, but RJ just does not pass my eye test. He's slow and plodding, can't jump, doesn't have any moves to finish at the rim, and his defense is so overrated. Just my opinion when I watch him. Did you see that ill-advised 3 pointer at the end of the game? What the hell was he thinking just jacking that up like that? His mind was not right because he knew how terrible a game he was having.

[KnicksNext]

So RJ can't defend and simultaneously score his inefficient 20ppg. Not exactly your automatic lover.

Maybe MSG could send him to Ukraine as a good will gesture?

Let's choose:

Human, Robot, Human, Robot, ..... Human, Human, Human ...

That's not a fair assessment. It's a larger personnel consideration and then it is a coaching issue, but accusing RJ of being a bad defender because he is the wrong player to be defending Ja is a bad faith argument. RJ has been a decent defender overall, but there's a handful of guys in the league he has no business trying to defend.

Besides, there might not be anyone in the NBA right now who can truly stop Ja.

As said in a previous post, Deuce should have been given a shot at Ja to see if he could slow him down, especially since RJ was having an off night offensively already.

You need elite defensive players or even specialists to put on Ja.

I agree with your last point. I made a big dog and pony show post in the game thread whose import implicated that.

If you have, eg, specifically Reggie or Frank you have something to slow Ja etc down. I'm not a Deuce believer (on the d-end), but mkay could be.

So the point really is that RJ is maybe a 50th percentile defender against guys his own size who don't have good handles; but is clueless, essentially, on team d. So ... I'd prefer a human after all.

There were at least two plays where RJ just gave up when the screen came. He didn't try to push through it or go around it to stay with Morant. He just gave up and accepted he was beat and basically stood there as Ja went to the basket. His defense is so overrated here.

[cgf]

He shouldn't of been closing. Thibs is a moron. He shouldn't of played 40+ minutes. Thibs is a moron.

They both had 5 fouls yet Thibs acted like Mitch fouled out. Thibs is once again a moron.

Zero resistance in the paint everytime Mitch came out. Maybe don't put RJ on one of the best, quickest, shiftiest points in the league and your defensive anchor won't pick up 5 fouls since the refs love calling bs for Morant.

He had to play 40 because Mitch couldn't stay on the court and was picking up a foul every 2 minutes, he was also -7 in the short time he was on the floor. He was just bad last night.

Hartenstein played well and gives us a different dimension, plus he made a clutch freethrow. This is about sham hating on the honorable brother Isaiah and now ducking the charges to revel in our pain, even though he too is in pain.

The man had more personal fouls than points.
He had 10 games like that last year.
That’s a pretty big chunk of the season with ‘ineffective center’ play.

That would be an issue if we ran any plays for Mitch to score on, but his points aren't the reason he sees the court or what he was paid starter-money for. Last night wasn't one of them, but Mitch can get fewer points than fouls in a game and still have a positive impact with his defense, rebounding, & screens

Luckily C is a position where we have good depth; so even when Mitch has a bad game & runs into early foul trouble, like last night, we're usually going to be fine at the 5 with Hart and/or Sims having to fill in.

[bearadonisdna]

The disrespectful Mitch fans take the huge L tonight .
You deserve the humiliation .

This was the grizzlies C team .
No Brooks or Jjj.
And Mitch looked like a boy among men .

In year 5 and expected something new ,
Blame Thibs,
But I thought he had a pointguard now.
Another fn. L where mitch didn’t do shyt.

[Ghetto Gospel]

not sure if this was posted yet but who remembers this moment?

ja to jake lavaria @ 23sec

Read on Twitter

the way he says left hand

Spoiler:

i noticed that during the game. rj has yet to beat the "can't go right" allegations

also noticed on this recording and not during the game. ja saying under: they always going under screens on rj cause rj still doesn't have the pull-up 3, it would really unlock the rest of his game if he added it

[KnicksNext]

As a Knicks fan I really hope that...

1.This team tanks the rest of the season.
2.Thibs and Rose are fired.
3. We trade Randle and Fournier during the offseason.

Correct. We should be tanking this year, especially since we passed on an elite talent in Donovan Mitchell. The goal this year should be to put ourselves in the best position to get a top 2 pick. But no, AS USUAL, the Knicks prefer to a midling team that will ultimately draft around 11-14 each year. This really seems like it's their goal. When they gave up their lottery pick so they could land JB, they told every one of us that are trying hard to win this year (without the talent to do it).

Same shtty Knicks as always.

[KnicksNext]

Grizz were making just about everything, they got the bounces, they got the calls, the Knicks were playing uphill all game and were a missed 3 from forcing double overtime. It is what it is.

That double blown call in OT where Ja fouled AND goal tended on Brunson was just so bad...those refs need to sent to the G-league.

I know what's in this thread, after a good time playing pickle and getting some digis from this sweetie the last thing I want to do is scroll through what I can assume is a shiatshow.

Catch yall later.

Yes, it was another great moral victory.

[Ghetto Gospel]

As a Knicks fan I really hope that...

1.This team tanks the rest of the season.
2.Thibs and Rose are fired.
3. We trade Randle and Fournier during the offseason.

Correct. We should be tanking this year, especially since we passed on an elite talent in Donovan Mitchell. The goal this year should be to put ourselves in the best position to get a top 2 pick. But no, AS USUAL, the Knicks prefer to a midling team that will ultimately draft around 11-14 each year. This really seems like it's their goal. When they gave up their lottery pick so they could land JB, they told every one of us that are trying hard to win this year (without the talent to do it).

Same shtty Knicks as always.

they're just gonna wait for the next all-star level talent to become available to help us make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round once or twice. that's always been the plan