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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1481 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:07 am

tontoz wrote:At the 58 second mark of this vid Deni does the exact thing that I want to see from him, but rarely does. As soon as he catches the ball he realizes he has an advantage and takes it to the basket. Hopefully he starts doing this more often.




You mean the exact thing you said he doesn't do? at 0:39 we see the team playing like what I want to see more, where Deni actually is touching the ball after a play that planned to involve him, and not like 1:02 which what usually happens where he just gets scraps when someone have no choice but to pass him.
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Post#1482 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:13 am

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tontoz wrote:At the 58 second mark of this vid Deni does the exact thing that I want to see from him, but rarely does. As soon as he catches the ball he realizes he has an advantage and takes it to the basket. Hopefully he starts doing this more often.




You mean the exact thing you said he doesn't do? at 0:39 we see the team playing like what I want to see more, where Deni actually is touching the ball after a play that planned to involve him, and not like 1:02 which what usually happens where he just gets scraps when someone have no choice but to pass him.



Are you trying to say he does that regularly? If that was true he wouldn't have averaged 8.4 ppg last year :lol:
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1483 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:25 am

He averaged 12.6 points last year when he got the opportunities, or you already forgot that stat? you also forgot your own claim, that when he get the chance he doesn't use it, the facts(and the video) proves you're wrong, but again you only emphasis what suits you and ignore what's not.
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Post#1484 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:39 am

Wizraeli wrote:He averaged 12.6 points last year when he got the opportunities, or you already forgot that stat? you also forgot your own claim, that when he get the chance he doesn't use it, the facts(and the video) proves you're wrong, but again you only emphasis what suits you and ignore what's not.



The video is highlights :lol: everyone looks good in highlights. How many shots did he miss in that vid?

He got opportunities all last year. He played 82 games and Rui was out to start the season.

But since you brought it up Deni shot 41.5% from the field after the All star break. Not impressed.
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Post#1485 » by doclinkin » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:41 am

I expect it is a moot point right now. Or leastways jumping the gun on overreacting. On local radio, assistant coach Mike Miller was saying Deni entered the year banged up, missed all of training camp, and is working his way up to what he showed over the summer. Personally I expect with Delon Wright out, Deni will end up with more time and touches. I don't think the staff will sub in one of the GoGo players to his spot, but will spread his role out among the other players. Maybe Jordan Schakel gets a bit of run until Kispert is back. Otherwise additional ballhandling and playmaking will shift to Barton, Kuz and Deni, and Wright's minutes will be spread around.
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Post#1486 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:10 am

tontoz wrote:The video is highlights :lol: everyone looks good in highlights. How many shots did he miss in that vid?


The video proves he's not always passive, not that he doesn't miss, does everything needs to be spelled out for you? also, he didn't miss in the second half except for 1/2 from 3, so highlights or no highlights, the video is a good reflection of the 2nd half, if you had actually read my comments you would have known that he almost didn't miss the second half because I've wrote it, but you don't really try to understand what I'm saying, you only wants to say the last word.

tontoz wrote:He got opportunities all last year. He played 82 games and Rui was out to start the season.


He also returned from an injury at the start of the season after not playing 4 months, but again, ignore the facts that doesn't fit your opinion, no he didn't get opportunities "all last year", he got them at the end of the year after the trade deadline, until then he wasn't that involved in the offense because Washington was playing chaotic iso hero ball.

tontoz wrote:But since you brought it up Deni shot 41.5% from the field after the All star break. Not impressed.


Deni shot 43% in the last 16 games, just like his yearly average, and again, I thought your claim was about him not being aggressive, why you keep bringing up his percentage? Russell Westbrook shot 43% with the Wizards, was he not aggressive? :crazy:
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Post#1487 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:24 am

Scorers are judged by volume and efficiency. When volume goes up it is harder to maintain efficiency.

When volume and efficiency are both low that is a problem. 12.6 ppg shooting 43% is low volume, low efficiency and that was his best stretch.

A passive player will still take shots. They just don't take as many as other players. Even Ben Simmons takes shots sometimes.

For the record TS (true shooting percentage) is the best measure of scoring efficiency.
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Post#1488 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:48 am

This is like talking to a brick wall, no matter what I'll say you just ignore it and turn the discussion away to where it suits you, who said Deni is a scorer? who said he needs to get more shots? for 4 pages all I'm saying is that he needs to play more as a playmaker and that what will give him more confidence but you don't listen, we're done here, I don't see a point for this.
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Post#1489 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:53 am

Wizraeli wrote:This is like talking to a brick wall, no matter what I'll say you just ignore it and turn the discussion away to where it suits you, who said Deni is a scorer? who said he needs to get more shots? for 4 pages all I'm saying is that he needs to play more as a playmaker and that what will give him more confidence but you don't listen, we're done here, I don't see a point for this.



:lol:

So when you brought up Deni averaging 12.6 pts over a 16 game stretch you were really talking about his playmaking?

Uhhh.....ok
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Post#1490 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:59 am

tontoz wrote:So when you brought up Deni averaging 12.6 pts over a 16 game stretch you were really talking about his playmaking?


You brought up his scoring and scoring percentages, I wrote that figure to correct your wrong statements :noway:
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Post#1491 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 am

Wizraeli wrote:
tontoz wrote:So when you brought up Deni averaging 12.6 pts over a 16 game stretch you were really talking about his playmaking?


You brought up his scoring and scoring percentages, I wrote that figure to correct your wrong statements :noway:


What did I say that was wrong? Are you saying he didn't average 8.4 ppg last year?

I think an 82 game sample size is more relevant than a 16 game sample.
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Post#1492 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:36 am

You said he didn't used the opportunities he got when Beal was out at the end of the season, you were wrong, the 12.6 points of the last 16 games proves that he did, I'm not going to re-read and explain to you the last 4 pages just because you don't understand what you even argue about, seriously, I'm done, think what you want to think.
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Post#1493 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:40 am

Wizraeli wrote:You said he didn't used the opportunities he got when Beal was out at the end of the season, you were wrong, the 12.6 points of the last 16 games proves that he did, I'm not going to re-read and explain to you the last 4 pages just because you don't understand what you even argue about, seriously, I'm done, think what you want to think.



Know what Kuzma averaged in his worst month last season? 12.6 :lol:
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Post#1494 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:49 am

tontoz wrote:Know what Kuzma averaged in his worst month last season? 12.6 :lol:


Don't care :crazy:
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1495 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:55 am

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tontoz wrote:Know what Kuzma averaged in his worst month last season? 12.6 :lol:


Don't care :crazy:


It is funny that you think averaging 12.6 actually proves something other than Deni isn't much of a scorer yet.
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Post#1496 » by Wizraeli » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:00 am

It is funny you can't read
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Post#1497 » by Kanyewest » Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:33 am

The first half layup miss was deflating but Deni played well in the 2nd half. Yeah, I'd like to see him more effective offensively but as it stands he's been playing better than Rui (moreso on the defensive end) so he should keep playing in the starting lineup.
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Post#1498 » by montestewart » Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:06 am

tontoz wrote:
Wizraeli wrote:
tontoz wrote:Know what Kuzma averaged in his worst month last season? 12.6 :lol:


Don't care :crazy:


It is funny that you think averaging 12.6 actually proves something other than Deni isn't much of a scorer yet.

Have you convinced each other yet? It’s probably time for this exchange to take a sabbatical. Agreed?
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Post#1499 » by Dolevi » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:54 pm

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You are the one who wanted to compare the two players so much, and it looks like anything that doesn't support your opinion is "nonsense", think what you want, it doesn't make it right.



I am not bring up Rui to compare their entire games. I am bringing him up because they play the same position in the same offense. You guys keep trying to blame the coaches and other players for Deni's lack of offense. That isn't the problem. Everyone else is playing in the same offense. There isn't a different offense for Deni.

Rui has problems with his game, but lack of aggression isn't one of them.

If Deni does nothing with the ball when he gets it, why would the coaches or players try to get him more touches? Why doesn't Deni drive to the basket when a defender is running out towards him at the 3 pt line? That is basic basketball.

When Deni blows routine layups, is that the coaches fault? :crazy:

Do you think Deni will earn more respect from Beal, KP, Kuz and Rui if he won't pass them and go directly to the basket? If you think yes, then you don't understand the dynamics inside the locker room, the ranks and the "jobs" of each player. Deni can't do those things when they are with him on the court. He just can't mentally because they'll hate him for that lol. They want the stats and shots for themselves. What he needs to do is getting confidence from running the 2nd unit, and that's all. It's that simple.

And that's why it's also on the coaching staff, they expect him to shine or make plays within a line-up with Beal Kuz and KP. How is that possible? Remember what I've talked about balance at the line-ups? These are 3 *main* target players at offense, players with high USG%, why won't you deliver the ball to them before Deni? Why are you all so surprised he decides to immediately giving up the ball when he plays around those 3? Can't you see? Do you want to blame him on the fact he refusing to not respect Beal? Do you see the problem here?
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Post#1500 » by tontoz » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:09 pm

Dolevi wrote:
tontoz wrote:
You are the one who wanted to compare the two players so much, and it looks like anything that doesn't support your opinion is "nonsense", think what you want, it doesn't make it right.



I am not bring up Rui to compare their entire games. I am bringing him up because they play the same position in the same offense. You guys keep trying to blame the coaches and other players for Deni's lack of offense. That isn't the problem. Everyone else is playing in the same offense. There isn't a different offense for Deni.

Rui has problems with his game, but lack of aggression isn't one of them.

If Deni does nothing with the ball when he gets it, why would the coaches or players try to get him more touches? Why doesn't Deni drive to the basket when a defender is running out towards him at the 3 pt line? That is basic basketball.

When Deni blows routine layups, is that the coaches fault? :crazy:

Do you think Deni will earn more respect from Beal, KP, Kuz and Rui if he won't pass them and go directly to the basket? If you think yes, then you don't understand the dynamics inside the locker room, the ranks and the "jobs" of each player. Deni can't do those things when they are with him on the court. He just can't mentally because they'll hate him for that lol. What he needs to do is to getting confidence from running the 2nd unit, and that's all. It's that simple.


He had plenty of time in the 2nd unit last year. He played 74 games off the bench.

Does the team hate Rui/Barton/Kuzma for aggressively looking to score when they get the ball? No. They keep passing them the ball.

There are 24 seconds on the shot clock. By the time they bring the ball past half court there are generally 18 seconds or less on the clock. That doesn't leave a lot of time to get off a good shot.

When other players pass the ball to Deni it is generally because he is open. They are expecting him to do something with the ball.
If he does nothing with it and just gets rid of it to someone who isn't in position to score, he isn't helping the team. If he drives and collapses the defense, then kicks out to an open teammate, that is helping the team.

KP is good at being decisive with the ball. When he catches the ball he will try to do something with it quickly, shooting, driving or looking for a cutter. He puts pressure on the defenders. Kuzma is the same way.

All i want is for Deni to actually do something with the ball when he gets it. Too often he does nothing that i couldn't do, sitting down. I can catch a pass, look around, then hand it off to someone else very easily. Doesn't take much skill to do that.

I think he has the ability to at least be an average player on offense. I think he can score and create for others at a respectable rate. But in order to do that he needs to actually try to do it when he gets the ball. Too often he doesn't even look to score or drive.
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