Game 6: Raptors - Sixers... doc rivers watch

[76ciology]

Just look at the morale of this team. Even Harden and Niang are moving their feet and stopping penetrations. Everyone is running to stop transition and running to score from transtion. Everyone crashing the board. Have you seen Tucker barking on Maxey’s ears?

This team wants to play fast and to switch on defense but they can’t do that with Embiid and the current scheme.

[rocketsfan100]

Pretty sure harden will get the night off in Chicago in a back to back

[eyeatoma]

Trade Embiid!

Bro, I know you're joking, but you're just setting it up for the trolls to come on.

If you're not joking, then I'm not really sure what to say, because we've heard this talk before, and the last two seasons he was the runner up for the MVP.

It's just such a tired take.

I see no lie though. This team has played better without Jojo, so his opinion has reasons behind it and was not a lie.

If we had discussions like this about ben before, rather than trying to cancel/silence anyone who criticizes Ben, then we probably had cut our losses sooner.

Im not promoting trading Biid. But this team has played better without him and we either have to do something to use him while not hurting us or we need to explore some options that is hard to accept.

When did I say it was a lie? I'm saying it's a comical assertion. The reason they are able to have more movement, is because Embiid is not that type of player. Once the playoffs roll around if you only have Maxey and Harden this time is not a title team. I just think instead of blaming Embiid, maybe blame Doc for not prioritizing Maxey as the #2 over Harden on offense. At times Maxey is the 4th or 5th option on offense for the first few games.

As far as the defense, the reason it looked far better was because Melton started and Thybulle played much more minutes. Neither of that happened in the past. We lost one game solely on Maxey getting burned in the pick and roll in the 4th quarter. That was the game we lost to the Spurs where Embiid had 40. It's just too easy to look at what's missing on the day of the win and assume it's because of Embiid, when there are so many things wrong with this team that Embiid is not responsible.

[eyeatoma]

Just look at the morale of this team. Even Harden and Niang are moving their feet and stopping penetrations. Everyone is running to stop transition and running to score from transtion. Everyone crashing the board. Have you seen Tucker barking on Maxey’s ears?

This team wants to play fast and to switch on defense but they can’t do that with Embiid and the current scheme.

Yup, you nailed it on the head. Guess we have to trade Embiid.

[Jay555]

Biid is not the problem.

But Doc needs to get creative with the lineups. It’s clear the starting lineup is meh. Also Thybulle & Melton need to get a lot more playing time. Once Doc finds the right formula, this team would be ok. Not sure if Doc can pull it off tho..

The slow pace starting lineup is built for playoff tho when things slow down.

[76ciology]

I’ll say it again. You neither are playing small or playing big with Embiid and Tucker.

So because you play neither, you are vulnerable to teams playing small or playing big.

You are small and you are playing slow.

If you are small, you play fast.
If you are big, you play slow.

Do we switch? Why is someone playing drop on defense?

Which one are you?

[76ciology]

Just look at the morale of this team. Even Harden and Niang are moving their feet and stopping penetrations. Everyone is running to stop transition and running to score from transtion. Everyone crashing the board. Have you seen Tucker barking on Maxey’s ears?

This team wants to play fast and to switch on defense but they can’t do that with Embiid and the current scheme.

Yup, you nailed it on the head. Guess we have to trade Embiid.

I didnt say that. I said we need to fix our scheme first, if that wont work then maybe you need to trade him.

And you fix that scheme by putting some size, play slow with biid. Then you play small and fast without Biid.

[Jay555]

I’ll say it again. You neither are playing small or playing big with Embiid and Tucker.

So because you play neither, you are vulnerable to teams playing small or playing big.

You are small and you are playing slow.

If you are small, you play fast.
If you are big, you play slow.

Do we switch? Why is someone playing drop on defense?

Which one are you?

Agreed. Tucker as a smaller ball 5 is actually very good. Him with Embiid together just does not make sense.

[phillynative]

I would say it's more of the wing combo of Tucker and Tobias on both ends thats hurting us and the defense overall. Embiid is not really playing like himself due to lack of conditioning and ailments but we know he will be better.

[DCasey91]

It’s easy make Embiid the third option and go all in on defence which he really should be if you think about it.

He needs the most adjustment because you cannot go through a heavy iso big that floats (11 shots outside 11 feet? Stupid at its finest) that’s not a great shooter and frankly a sh*t passer to go along with bad awareness when swarmed.

Doc mentioned before the season he wants to give Embiid even more shots... I couldn’t believe it. Max 20 shots that’s it that’s all you get if your not hot tough sh*t.

[eyeatoma]

It’s easy make Embiid the third option and go all in on defence which he really should be if you think about it.

He needs the most adjustment because you cannot go through a heavy iso big that floats (11 shots outside 11 feet? Stupid at its finest) that’s not a great shooter and frankly a sh*t passer to go along with bad awareness when swarmed.

Doc mentioned before the season he wants to give Embiid even more shots... I couldn’t believe it. Max 20 shots that’s it that’s all you get if your not hot tough sh*t.

You don't make the leagues former scoring leader with insane efficiency the #3.

It should be Embiid
Then Maxey
Then Harden

Harden is still good, but he has off games far more often. Using the threat of his shot to get his teammates shots isn what he should do.

I do think Tucker has been a flop. Melton can help alot, so can Thybulle.

Still think when Jo comes we won't be great, not negate because of him but because of Doc's stubbornness with rotations and preferring certain players.

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[sodmoraes]

ìm ready for Hussein´s Fatal post no general board : "is Maxey already a better shooter than Curry" ?

[eyeatoma]

ìm ready for Hussein´s Fatal post no general board : "is Maxey already a better shooter than Curry" ?

Lol

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[76ciology]

I would say it's more of the wing combo of Tucker and Tobias on both ends thats hurting us and the defense overall. Embiid is not really playing like himself due to lack of conditioning and ailments but we know he will be better.

but why when we played Melton over Embiid tonight, everything suddenly everyone is better on defense?

Tucker, Tobias, Harden and Maxey all were OK to good playing small ball defense. But when Embiid is there, suddenly they become worse?

The way to play with embiid is to surround him with guys who are fast to switch and rotate. Let opponents post them up, then you have Biid and another big sending help and crashing boards. Cavs, Bucks, Warriors and the Pacers are playing that scheme.

But there’s no way you can win if you have a Biid centric offense. Maybe if you face Plumlee and Cody Zeller on a nightly basis but no way will that work against the top defensive teams. either the 3s or TOs will beat you

[Bum Adebayo]

[Murray_17]

I would say it's more of the wing combo of Tucker and Tobias on both ends thats hurting us and the defense overall. Embiid is not really playing like himself due to lack of conditioning and ailments but we know he will be better.

but why when we played Melton over Embiid tonight, everything suddenly everyone is better on defense?

This game was won on line ups that didn't have Harden or Tobias and played Trez at center....

Are we ready to conclude Trez is a good defender and Harden should be traded too?

The Raptors have no playmaker and sucks when you play zone against them and Maxey was never gonna be hunted on lineups that have FVV out there....

Did we play better defense? yes. I'm still gonna wait for a sample size better than 1 to say it's something more than a mere accident.

Btw, the Sixers current defensive rating is 111 pts, Embiid defensive rating is 114 (and keep in mind that includes this game where the Raptors scored 90)........Team has been, actually, better defensively with Embiid than without him.

[Bum Adebayo]

This game was just a fluke we are much better with Embiid people...

[76ciology]

I would say it's more of the wing combo of Tucker and Tobias on both ends thats hurting us and the defense overall. Embiid is not really playing like himself due to lack of conditioning and ailments but we know he will be better.

but why when we played Melton over Embiid tonight, everything suddenly everyone is better on defense?

This game was won on line ups that didn't have Harden or Tobias and played Trez at center....

Are we ready to conclude Trez is a good defender and Harden should be traded too?

The Raptors have no playmaker and sucks when you play zone against them and Maxey was never gonna be hunted on lineups that have FVV out there....

Did we play better defense? yes. I'm still gonna wait for a sample size better than 1 to say it's something more than a mere accident.

Btw, the Sixers current defensive rating is 111 pts, Embiid defensive rating is 114 (and keep in mind that includes this game where the Raptors scored 90)........Team has been, actually, better defensively with Embiid than without him.

Sixers w/o Jojo 106 DRtg
Sixers w/ Jojo 116 DRtg

I know Jojo is a very good defensive player and all that, and im not saying other wise. But that isn’t the case for 2022-2023 season and maybe

Sixers current DRtg is 114

My source is NBA.COM

How good you are as a defensive player is partly individual and mostly team. For instance, when IT was averaging 30 for the Celtics, they were able to play high DRtg with him by running a scheme and surrounding roster that can hide him on defense.

The way I see it, the scheme we’re running is exposing Embiid’s decline in rim protection and mobility. He may improve, im not disregarding that.

[Murray_17]

Sixers w/o Jojo 106 DRtg
Sixers w/ Jojo 116 DRtg

I know Jojo is a very good defensive player and all that, and im not saying other wise. But that isn’t the case for 2022-2023 season and maybe

Sixers current DRtg is 114

My source is NBA.COM

How good you are as a defensive player is partly individual and mostly team. For instance, when IT was averaging 30 for the Celtics, they were able to play high DRtg with him by running a scheme and surrounding roster that can hide him on defense.

The way I see it, the scheme we’re running is exposing Embiid’s decline in rim protection and mobility. He may improve, im not disregarding that.

I posted the stats at the reverse, The sixers DRtg is 114 this season, Embiid is 111. Point still stands.

As for your comment about schemes, is kind of irrelevant?

Yes, defense is mostly a team effort, but if Embiid was dragging our defense (which is your point), the defense would be better without him than with him, specially because of how you scheme in the minutes without him.

If the defense could be better without him than with him (which is purely theory) but you don't see it reflected in the stats then that's a coaching problem.

[76ciology]

Sixers w/o Jojo 106 DRtg
Sixers w/ Jojo 116 DRtg

I know Jojo is a very good defensive player and all that, and im not saying other wise. But that isn’t the case for 2022-2023 season and maybe

Sixers current DRtg is 114

My source is NBA.COM

How good you are as a defensive player is partly individual and mostly team. For instance, when IT was averaging 30 for the Celtics, they were able to play high DRtg with him by running a scheme and surrounding roster that can hide him on defense.

The way I see it, the scheme we’re running is exposing Embiid’s decline in rim protection and mobility. He may improve, im not disregarding that.

I posted the stats at the reverse, The sixers DRtg is 114 this season, Embiid is 111. Point still stands.

Yes, defense is mostly a team effort, but if Embiid was dragging our defense (which is your point), the defense would be better without him than with him, specially because of how you scheme in the minutes without him.

If the defense could be better without him than with him (which is purely theory) but you don't see it reflected in the stats then that's a coaching problem

Sixers w/o Jojo 106 DRtg
Sixers w/ Jojo 116 DRtg

Without Jojo 106 DRtg
With Jojo 116 DRtg, not 111.
Sixers 114 DRtg for the season

Its reflected in the stats

Yes, based on those numbers, “embiid was dragging our defense”. You can just see the night and day difference on defense this game. And even during the preseason when we averaged something like 15 steals per game

I wait for someone to reply “small sample size”