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Post#341 » by tone wone » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:28 am

thebigbird wrote:In Kareem’s 20th season he scored 20+ points twice all season. Both times 21 points. The Lakers won 57 games and made the NBA finals. In LeBron’s year 20 he’s expected to do everything for the Lakers and the Lakers have put absolutely nothing around him. He gets endless hate for not being able to carry them. It’s just insane.

Is he actually expected to do everything though?

He might just no longer be a great player...but if he actually plays like a no doubt top 10 player the Lakers aren't winless right now.
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Post#342 » by Heej » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:51 am

Bron hit the wall this year huh
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Post#343 » by Statlanta » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:56 am

thebigbird wrote:He gets endless hate for not being able to carry them. It’s just insane.


Where is this endless hate?
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Post#344 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:17 am

Russ off the bench looked good. Lakers just had way too many turnovers. 12 more then Wolves.. you aren't winning when the opponent gets 12 more possessions.
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Post#345 » by TroubleS0me » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:58 am

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Post#346 » by thebigbird » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:14 am

Statlanta wrote:
thebigbird wrote:He gets endless hate for not being able to carry them. It’s just insane.


Where is this endless hate?

Is this a joke?
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Post#347 » by Mos_Heat » Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:37 am

I think the smart thing for LAL would be to trade Davis now, he's not an expiring contract and still have the reputation of a superstar
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Post#348 » by Jaivl » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:50 am

thebigbird wrote:
Statlanta wrote:
thebigbird wrote:He gets endless hate for not being able to carry them. It’s just insane.


Where is this endless hate?

Is this a joke?

No, seriously, where is the endless hate?
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Post#349 » by tsherkin » Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:21 pm

tone wone wrote:He might just no longer be a great player...but if he actually plays like a no doubt top 10 player the Lakers aren't winless right now.


You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.
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Post#350 » by thebigbird » Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:33 pm

Jaivl wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
Statlanta wrote:
Where is this endless hate?

Is this a joke?

No, seriously, where is the endless hate?

Literally everywhere you look on this board and social media.
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Post#351 » by Statlanta » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm

I think the hate/toxicity is spread evenly amongst the team tbh, with most of the viritol going to Westbrook.
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Post#352 » by G35 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:58 pm

tsherkin wrote:
tone wone wrote:He might just no longer be a great player...but if he actually plays like a no doubt top 10 player the Lakers aren't winless right now.


You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....
I'm so tired of the typical......
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Post#353 » by Colbinii » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:26 pm

G35 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
tone wone wrote:He might just no longer be a great player...but if he actually plays like a no doubt top 10 player the Lakers aren't winless right now.


You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....


Golden State tried hard in game 1.

Minnesota tried hard last night.

What do you mean teams aren't trying? That makes no sense...per usual
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Post#354 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:49 pm

Colbinii wrote:
G35 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....


Golden State tried hard in game 1.

Minnesota tried hard last night.

What do you mean teams aren't trying? That makes no sense...per usual



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I had seen your sig before and gave it a chuckle, but only this morning I noticed that it was from this year. That was real eye popping.
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Post#355 » by tsherkin » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:50 pm

G35 wrote:Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....


Of course teams aren't trying their best to beat the Lakers; Los Angeles has a presently incompetent offense, so even with their high-end defense, the opposition need put in only so much effort. That was just empty air, man.

As far as "setting the tone," you need to step back from your usual approach to Lebron and consider what's actually happening here. He's taking just shy of 14 shots per game from inside the arc and he's shooting over 56% on them. He isn't just shooting threes, he's simply replacing the long twos he used to take with threes. He hasn't shot this well from the line since 2012 (though of course it's extraordinarily early to consider that as a seasonal truth). He's averaging almost 9.5 rpg and 7.2 apg.

More specifically, he hasn't been asked to shoulder this much scoring load since 2008, so it's also not surprising that he's adding to his shooting volume with 3pt shooting. Blaming Lebron for how this team has performed over the first five is just wildly inappropriate. Westbrook is shooting 30.9% from the field. Anthony Davis missed one of the games (their second-leading scorer) and can't hit a jumper to save his life. Pat Beverly is shooting 17.6% from 3, Kendrick Nunn 23.8%, Lonnie Walker 14.8%. They simply haven't been capable of making teams pay when they leave LA's player open on the perimeter. This is why they are so trash. Lebron's shooting will normalize eventually, and hopefully so will the rest of the team's. But this idea that Lebron is "setting the tone" in a fashion harmful to the team is ludicrous.
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Post#356 » by G35 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:57 pm

tsherkin wrote:
G35 wrote:Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....


Of course teams aren't trying their best to beat the Lakers; Los Angeles has a presently incompetent offense, so even with their high-end defense, the opposition need put in only so much effort. That was just empty air, man.

As far as "setting the tone," you need to step back from your usual approach to Lebron and consider what's actually happening here. He's taking just shy of 14 shots per game from inside the arc and he's shooting over 56% on them. He isn't just shooting threes, he's simply replacing the long twos he used to take with threes. He hasn't shot this well from the line since 2012 (though of course it's extraordinarily early to consider that as a seasonal truth). He's averaging almost 9.5 rpg and 7.2 apg.

More specifically, he hasn't been asked to shoulder this much scoring load since 2008, so it's also not surprising that he's adding to his shooting volume with 3pt shooting. Blaming Lebron for how this team has performed over the first five is just wildly inappropriate. Westbrook is shooting 30.9% from the field. Anthony Davis missed one of the games (their second-leading scorer) and can't hit a jumper to save his life. Pat Beverly is shooting 17.6% from 3, Kendrick Nunn 23.8%, Lonnie Walker 14.8%. They simply haven't been capable of making teams pay when they leave LA's player open on the perimeter. This is why they are so trash. Lebron's shooting will normalize eventually, and hopefully so will the rest of the team's. But this idea that Lebron is "setting the tone" in a fashion harmful to the team is ludicrous.



This is a ludicrous response...am I the only one who should step back from their usual approach to Lebron? Everyone else is making a reasonable analysis? Come on, this thread is not for honest analysis.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/la-lakers/

If you open that link what you will see at the top is the following:
- 30th in FG% (last)
- 30th in 3P% (last)
- 30th in pts scored (last)

Lebron apologists move the goal posts point by point.
- Lebron is having to shoulder more of the scoring load...why is Lebron having to shoulder more of the scoring load? He has AD and WB on the team and they are capable scorers. But you say that AD is not aggressive enough and WB is too aggressive and a poor shooter...and? The big picture is Lebron brought in those players and everyone knew how they played. This is no surprise at how this is turning out. Lebron is carrying the scoring load because these are the players he decided to bring in. If Lebron fans did not realize that this was a potential outcome...well those are the Lebron beer goggles talking

- Beverly has never been known as even a good 3pt shooter, but Nunn shot very well while with MIA...why hasn't that translated while in LA? Lonnie Walker shot the three well in SA for four years...why hasn't that translated in LA? That could be due to leadership, culture, the locker room, chemistry, karma whatever you want to call it but blaming role players is never a good look.

Back to the main...we all see these Lebron impact threads about is he top 5, top 10, top 20 player. What does that even mean? Are we talking by production or by impacting the team's record. Before we use to label Michael Jordan just a scorer and not as good as Magic because he didn't win. The bottom line is winning and for someone making $44M, is a GOAT candidate, has so much power and influence, this is more of a bad look by trying to deflect blame and criticism away from Lebron.

There were some corny sayings from the past like "The buck stops here" or "I'm the leader and I take responsibility for when we lose". If your argument is that Lebron is no longer the leader of the Lakers, you will get no argument from me.

The Lakers need a leader and Lebron doesn't look like he is interested in that.....
I'm so tired of the typical......
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Post#357 » by tsherkin » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:02 pm

G35 wrote:
- Lebron is having to shoulder more of the scoring load...why is Lebron having to shoulder more of the scoring load? He has AD and WB on the team and they are capable scorers.


You're watching these games and you're willing to call Westbrook a "capable scorer?"

Cool, cool cool. If you're not interested in legitimate discourse, I'll bid you a fine day.
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Post#358 » by PaulieWal » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:09 pm

tsherkin wrote:
G35 wrote:
- Lebron is having to shoulder more of the scoring load...why is Lebron having to shoulder more of the scoring load? He has AD and WB on the team and they are capable scorers.


You're watching these games and you're willing to call Westbrook a "capable scorer?"

Cool, cool cool. If you're not interested in legitimate discourse, I'll bid you a fine day.


Calling the current iteration of RW a "capable scorer" has to be one of the hotter takes I have seen around lately.

And I hate to use this trope but the only way you are calling him that is if you are box score watching and not watching the games but even then you can see the horrendous shooting percentages and the turnovers. :-?
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Post#359 » by AEnigma » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:21 pm

G35 wrote:The big picture is Lebron brought in those players and everyone knew how they played. This is no surprise at how this is turning out. Lebron is carrying the scoring load because these are the players he decided to bring in. If Lebron fans did not realize that this was a potential outcome...well those are the Lebron beer goggles talking

Who has not been saying that? The Westbrook trade was lambasted at the time by all but an optimistic few, plus perhaps a cautious some. However, perhaps contrary to popular belief, Lebron is not actually the individual who pushes trades through as part of his duties as a general manager for the Lakers; foolishly giving his personal approval for the trade is about as meaningful in my assessment of him as a player as pointing out that Jordan’s role in front offices has shown zero eye for talent.

Beverly has never been known as even a good 3pt shooter, but Nunn shot very well while with MIA...why hasn't that translated while in LA? Lonnie Walker shot the three well in SA for four years...why hasn't that translated in LA? That could be due to leadership, culture, the locker room, chemistry, karma whatever you want to call it but blaming role players is never a good look.

True, a real champion would telepathically (or even telekinetically) impel those shots to go into the basket.

Back to the main...we all see these Lebron impact threads about is he top 5, top 10, top 20 player. What does that even mean? Are we talking by production or by impacting the team's record. Before we use to label Michael Jordan just a scorer and not as good as Magic because he didn't win. The bottom line is winning and for someone making $44M, is a GOAT candidate, has so much power and influence, this is more of a bad look by trying to deflect blame and criticism away from Lebron.

Also so true. Jordan was my personal GOAT until those Wizards years. Embarrassing stuff. If you are not going to win a championship, you really should just retire. Bill Russell knew that. :king:
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Post#360 » by AmIWrongDude » Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:18 pm

Man I can’t imagine how things would be if Lakers never won in 2020.

This Laker team is the exact opposite way to build around LeBron. Young LeBron would have them still winning but he’s expected to do sooooo much on this team at his age and it’s just not really possible.

His jumper has been trash so far though and I guarantee he’ll figure it out and it will make a big difference. The team 3pt shooting though? Idk if that will get fixed and it’s just so hard to win todays game when teams are fine leaving most of the team wide open because nobody can make them pay.

Turner/Hield would make such a big difference man. I get why Lakers won’t make the trade but as a LeBron fan it sucks that it isn’t happening. Sorry but those picks aren’t gonna mean **** anyways unless the Lakers do a complete overhaul of the ownership/front office.

Lakers as a franchise are basically the Knicks at this point. They are not going to win or get close for a long time and those picks aren’t going to magically make them a competent franchise. I really think Turner/Hield make them a 4 seed or so.

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