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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#81 » by ivysixer2000 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 1:39 am

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If he played and looked like **** because he was sick, people would blame him as well. Can't really win. Either he plays, and is ****, which he usually is, as he doesn't have the Jordan flu game in him. Or he doesn't play, and people are frustrated with that.

At this point, it's complaining to just complain. The teams deficiencies is far more related to our "amazing additions this year", Doc, Tyrese not getting enough usage, terrible defense, and non existant bench.

Joel absolutely has room to improve, but he is not the reason why we are an average team right now.


Why is he out?

No clue


Huh?

They said he was sick, and has been ill for a few days. Have you seen the twitter updates? It's been posted multiple times by different beat writers.


I don't do social media. Sorry if I was late to it, just curious why he wasn't out there.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#82 » by kuclas » Tue Nov 1, 2022 2:51 am

Sixers gonna to end up with 49-53 wins. Just enough to tease us into believing we have a chance.

I hope we do. The first 10 games really are just pre season warmup games. Embiid isn’t in shape. He looks slower. He banged his right hand end of the bulls game if people watched closely.

Harden is playing within himself. He’s actually a much more floor general than Ben Simmons. Obviously his defense is lacking. But when he actually makes some effort on defense. It’s ok.

But a win is a win. We will take it.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#83 » by MVP1992 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 3:52 am

Good win. I'll watch the replay after golf today.

I heard Josh Primo is available. Is he a 'flashy' player?
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#84 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 4:04 am

This team can be really good if Embiid buys in and prioritizes defense. He’s now on a team where can finally give up some offensive responsibilities and it’s on him to realize that. It’s on Doc too to realize Maxey & Harden can be the engines on offense.

We get All-NBA defense Embiid while still averaging 22-24 per game and I’ll absolutely believe in our title chances.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#85 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 1, 2022 4:25 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:This team can be really good if Embiid buys in and prioritizes defense. He’s now on a team where can finally give up some offensive responsibilities and it’s on him to realize that. It’s on Doc too to realize Maxey & Harden can be the engines on offense.

We get All-NBA defense Embiid while still averaging 22-24 per game and I’ll absolutely believe in our title chances.


Regarding Maxey and Harden as engines, we need to let Tucker or another big to set the screen and be the primary screener in the 2 man game. Because Embiid sets weak screens on these 2 man games to prevent foul trouble that leads to the ball handler denied the opening and ends up the ball going back to Jojo at the elbow.

Defensively, we’re already doing that by trying to funnel the opponent to Embiid. The problem is that for some reason, the coaching staff dont acknowledge that Embiid’s athleticism and defensive skills have already declined that he’s not good enough to be that guy that you can just funnel the opponent to on defense.

If playing big (biid and reed frontcourt) is not realistic, then why not let Tucker play 5 and Biid play the 4 instead? Tucker sets screens, funnel the opponent to tucker then let Embiid space the floor, be at weakside for iso opportunity and provide weakside help?
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#86 » by Kolkmania » Tue Nov 1, 2022 7:21 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:This team can be really good if Embiid buys in and prioritizes defense. He’s now on a team where can finally give up some offensive responsibilities and it’s on him to realize that. It’s on Doc too to realize Maxey & Harden can be the engines on offense.

We get All-NBA defense Embiid while still averaging 22-24 per game and I’ll absolutely believe in our title chances.


Regarding Maxey and Harden as engines, we need to let Tucker or another big to set the screen and be the primary screener in the 2 man game. Because Embiid sets weak screens on these 2 man games to prevent foul trouble that leads to the ball handler denied the opening and ends up the ball going back to Jojo at the elbow.

Defensively, we’re already doing that by trying to funnel the opponent to Embiid. The problem is that for some reason, the coaching staff dont acknowledge that Embiid’s athleticism and defensive skills have already declined that he’s not good enough to be that guy that you can just funnel the opponent to on defense.

If playing big (biid and reed frontcourt) is not realistic, then why not let Tucker play 5 and Biid play the 4 instead? Tucker sets screens, funnel the opponent to tucker then let Embiid space the floor, be at weakside for iso opportunity and provide weakside help?


So you think that Embiid is not athletic enough to play a Brook Lopez kind of role on defense, but is suited to defend on the perimeter and run around screens?
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#87 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 1, 2022 7:46 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:This team can be really good if Embiid buys in and prioritizes defense. He’s now on a team where can finally give up some offensive responsibilities and it’s on him to realize that. It’s on Doc too to realize Maxey & Harden can be the engines on offense.

We get All-NBA defense Embiid while still averaging 22-24 per game and I’ll absolutely believe in our title chances.


Regarding Maxey and Harden as engines, we need to let Tucker or another big to set the screen and be the primary screener in the 2 man game. Because Embiid sets weak screens on these 2 man games to prevent foul trouble that leads to the ball handler denied the opening and ends up the ball going back to Jojo at the elbow.

Defensively, we’re already doing that by trying to funnel the opponent to Embiid. The problem is that for some reason, the coaching staff dont acknowledge that Embiid’s athleticism and defensive skills have already declined that he’s not good enough to be that guy that you can just funnel the opponent to on defense.

If playing big (biid and reed frontcourt) is not realistic, then why not let Tucker play 5 and Biid play the 4 instead? Tucker sets screens, funnel the opponent to tucker then let Embiid space the floor, be at weakside for iso opportunity and provide weakside help?


So you think that Embiid is not athletic enough to play a Brook Lopez kind of role on defense, but is suited to defend on the perimeter and run around screens?


Yes.

Tucker can stop penetration giving enough time for Embiid to rotate into the paint.

Tucker plays the Al Horford role while Embiid plays the Robert Williams role. Or the Aaron Baynes role back then with Embiid playing the Al Horford role. The banger-help defender 4-5 set-up. Joeger is familiar with this with his Grizz squad.

And we’ve seen in before with Tucker playing 5 and Roco at the 4, where Roco would roam around and play help defense.

Tucker is too short to provide help defense or too short to get to the paint while in a trail position defending the PnR ball handler. But Tucker is quick and mobile enough to switch and stop penetration that it would allow Embiid to fly to the paint and get his blocks.

Right now teams are comfortable running a pick and pop (siakam, al horford, bro lo) or Biid vs slasher and another guy around the rim waiting for the drop pass or lob.

Tucker is better at stepping out and switching to the stretch 5. Tucker is better at stepping up and deny penetration.

Let Biid chase those PFs, he can do it. Its not ideal but the alternative of what were dealing right now is clearly not working.

Think about it. When tucker is playing with Biid, don’t you find him underutilized on defense? We paid a guy 10M per year just to be Danny Green with poor transition defense?

What makes Tucker special is his ability to play the 5!
The ability to switch and deny dribble penetrations!

And if that’s not good enough. Then that is where my Reed-Biid dream scenario gets into the picture.
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Post#88 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 1, 2022 7:48 am

The problem with the starting unit is they are poor in deflections. They are short, but they can be good at switching (hell, tobias and Harden are suddenly good defenders with a switch defensive scheme) and staying with their man. LET THEM DO THAT.

But you always need a Melton or a Thybulle or a Reed with your switch defenders who can roam around and provide help defense. And looking at the starting line-up, who’s most likely who can provide that?

Tucker? Tobias? Harden? Maxey?

Dont you find it interesting that our starters play well with one of those elite deflectors on the court? Our best 5 man unit by a mile last season was our top 4 guys with Thybulle. I’d guess one of our best 5 man unit for me this season (havent checked) is our starters with Melton and without Embiid.

The only way you can increase pace, lower DRtg and improve ORtg is to generate deflections and transition points.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#89 » by Kolkmania » Tue Nov 1, 2022 7:59 am

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Regarding Maxey and Harden as engines, we need to let Tucker or another big to set the screen and be the primary screener in the 2 man game. Because Embiid sets weak screens on these 2 man games to prevent foul trouble that leads to the ball handler denied the opening and ends up the ball going back to Jojo at the elbow.

Defensively, we’re already doing that by trying to funnel the opponent to Embiid. The problem is that for some reason, the coaching staff dont acknowledge that Embiid’s athleticism and defensive skills have already declined that he’s not good enough to be that guy that you can just funnel the opponent to on defense.

If playing big (biid and reed frontcourt) is not realistic, then why not let Tucker play 5 and Biid play the 4 instead? Tucker sets screens, funnel the opponent to tucker then let Embiid space the floor, be at weakside for iso opportunity and provide weakside help?


So you think that Embiid is not athletic enough to play a Brook Lopez kind of role on defense, but is suited to defend on the perimeter and run around screens?


Yes.

Tucker can stop penetration giving enough time for Embiid to rotate into the paint.

Tucker plays the Al Horford role while Embiid plays the Robert Williams role. Or the Aaron Baynes role back then with Embiid playing the Al Horford role. The banger-help defender 4-5 set-up. Joeger is familiar with this with his Grizz squad.

And we’ve seen in before with Tucker playing 5 and Roco at the 4, where Roco would roam around and play help defense.

Tucker is too short to provide help defense or too short to get to the paint while in a trail position defending the PnR ball handler. But Tucker is quick and mobile enough to switch and stop penetration that it would allow Embiid to fly to the paint and get his blocks.

Right now teams are comfortable running a pick and pop (siakam, al horford, bro lo) or Biid vs slasher and another guy around the rim waiting for the drop pass or lob.

Tucker is better at stepping out and switching to the stretch 5. Tucker is better at stepping up and deny penetration.

Let Biid chase those PFs, he can do it. Its not ideal but the alternative of what were dealing right now is clearly not working.

Think about it. When tucker is playing with Biid, don’t you find him underutilized on defense? We paid a guy 10M per year just to be Danny Green with poor transition defense?

What makes Tucker special is his ability to play the 5!
The ability to switch and deny dribble penetrations!

And if that’s not good enough. Then that is where my Reed-Biid dream scenario gets into the picture.


I agree, but let's not overcomplicate things and find the perfect rotation to faciliate PJ Tucker. He should be playing ~25 minutes, with the majority of those minutes as the backup 5. He can still play a role as a big wing defender in the remaining minutes, but not paired with Harris as the 3 and 4.

We know that Embiid can lift defenses to top-5 territory by himself. He has a higher upside on that end than Tucker and we should try to help him doing that instead of running around the perimeter and the inevitable injuries doing so.
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Post#90 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Nov 1, 2022 11:10 am

MVP1992 wrote:Good win. I'll watch the replay after golf today.

I heard Josh Primo is available. Is he a 'flashy' player?


He showed a lot during his first year.
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Post#91 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 1, 2022 11:58 am

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Why is he out?

No clue


Huh?

They said he was sick, and has been ill for a few days. Have you seen the twitter updates? It's been posted multiple times by different beat writers.


I don't do social media. Sorry if I was late to it, just curious why he wasn't out there.


No worries. I also play fantasy, so it's updated on that as well.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#92 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 1, 2022 11:59 am

Jay555 wrote:I do not think Harden playing this many minutes would be sustainable given he's 33..He would be done come playoff.


You're talking logic. Something Glenn Rivers lacks.
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#93 » by MVP1992 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 12:52 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
MVP1992 wrote:Good win. I'll watch the replay after golf today.

I heard Josh Primo is available. Is he a 'flashy' player?


He showed a lot during his first year.


:lol:
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Post#94 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:48 pm

Im just glad we didnt trade for Beal.

As a scorer, I dont think he’d be more efficient than Maxey. So if he’s here, he’ll take away possessions from Maxey. While atleast with Harden, the guy is still an ISO god and a very good playmaker.

I also dont like Beal’s demeanor. I plays like he’s just there to get his paychecks and is not really going after wins
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Re: Game 8: Sixers vs Wizards.........The quest for .500 

Post#95 » by Stanford » Tue Nov 1, 2022 6:54 pm

You'd be crazy to trade Maxey for Beal at this point
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Post#96 » by phillynative » Tue Nov 1, 2022 8:30 pm

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Post#97 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 8:42 pm

It feels kinda silly that we were questioning whether Maxey would average 20 ppg only a month ago. At this point, if he doesn’t then something is wrong with our offense.
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Post#98 » by DCasey91 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 9:07 pm

Interesting conundrum for me. I do think the starting 5 is flawed but there is positives and negatives if we exchange one for a different player.

Melton/Thybulle are our only wings one of them must start imo. Downside is we get smaller, but the plus side I think outweighs it. Transition defence, improved pace, less clogged, deflections, steals can play more switch heavy etc.

Initially I thought Maxey, then Harris, now Tucker. Harris is bombing away finally as a stretch 4 archetype so I think he stays. The only worry here is the matchups that want Tucker to preserve Embiid so he doesn’t have to run around on D.

Best units:

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Harris
Embiid

Harden
Thybulle
Melton
Harris
Embiid

Harden
Maxey
Thybulle
Tucker
Embiid

I think structure wise this is the best because I’m going for 1 or more disruptive wings, 2 ballhandlers (Melton acts as a secondary), one PF only (most important) and Embiid. I say play more traditional then insert Niang at the 4 and Harrell/Reed at the 5 from the bench. I do think now Melton/Thybulle must take the majority of the mins at the 3 spot not Harris or Tucker.
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Post#99 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 1, 2022 9:09 pm

Maxey is quickly becoming my favorite player on the Sixers.

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Post#100 » by mjkvol » Wed Nov 2, 2022 9:46 pm

76ciology wrote:If playing big (biid and reed frontcourt) is not realistic, then why not let Tucker play 5 and Biid play the 4 instead? Tucker sets screens, funnel the opponent to tucker then let Embiid space the floor, be at weakside for iso opportunity and provide weakside help?


I just want to be a fly on the wall when Glenn has this conversation with Joel. Also the one about Joel not being the primary offensive option so he can focus and use his energy on defense. I'd pay to see that footage.
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