Report: Joshua Primo allegedly exposed himself to women

[Optimus_Steel]

If he did that to a psychologist then he probably has no qualms about trying the same with just about anyone.

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[davey_wavy]

Scrolled through the whole thread and the only thing I can think about is the Flashing at Citgo

[Yuri Vaultin]

nobody has claimed him off waivers looks like his career is done.

He's younger than most rookies and has skills. His career is far from over.

[dhsilv2]

I had a girlfriend few years back who told me a dude exposed himself to her while he was driving. I imagined it to be an old ugly guy with no game whatsoever when it came to woman.

Looking at this story I’m perplexed at how a promising young NBA player could be that mentally weak when it came to interacting with women. Just walking into a bar would be enough to get chicks around you dude.

Maybe they gotta add psychological testing at the draft combine

I'd actually assume it's the opposite in reality. Younger good looking guys are more likely to do this. But then I think back to stories i've heard from women, and it seems sending "d" picks and the likes cross all kinds of dudes...

[TravisScott55]

I wonder if he plays again this year

[JeffReal]

I guess we'll know more on Thursday, at least from the psychologist's POV, but given the HIPPA statement above, and it hinting that Primo saw her in a professional capacity, wasn't there some duty to warn scenario that was triggered?

It’s a certainty she reported the incident to the team. That’s her job, as the team psychologist. So a person shouldn’t think she said nothing at all at the time. That would be impossible, as a practical likelihood.

I mean, her primary duty was to inform the Spurs, which she undoubtedly did.

Players waive their right to confidentiality under HIPPA as far as the team is concerned. The players sign a form which allows the team doctors, and psychologist, to inform the team of the player’s condition.

It may be that she deemed the team’s response inadequate, which could have led to her resignation. I’m speculating about this, obviously. Perhaps we’ll get the timeline on Thursday.

Oh, as far as when the incident happened, it seems unlikely Primo would have been alone in a room with the psychologist except during a scheduled appointment.

The team probably coordinated with the psychologist during the preseason to schedule appointments for all the players - the same as scheduling appointments, with the doctors, for players to get their physical exams. And Primo, during his scheduled appointment, saw fit to expose himself. Is how it sounds. Good golly.

[G R E Y]

I guess we'll know more on Thursday, at least from the psychologist's POV, but given the HIPPA statement above, and it hinting that Primo saw her in a professional capacity, wasn't there some duty to warn scenario that was triggered?

It’s a certainty she reported the incident to the team. That’s her job, as the team psychologist. So a person shouldn’t think she said nothing at all at the time. That would be impossible, as a practical likelihood.

I mean, her primary duty was to inform the Spurs, which she undoubtedly did.

Players waive their right to confidentiality under HIPPA as far as the team is concerned. The players sign a form which allows the team doctors, and psychologist, to inform the team of the player’s condition.

It may be that she deemed the team’s response inadequate, which could have led to her resignation. I’m speculating about this, obviously. Perhaps we’ll get the timeline on Thursday.

Oh, as far as when the incident happened, it seems unlikely Primo would have been alone in a room with the psychologist except during a scheduled appointment.

The team probably coordinated with the psychologist during the preseason to schedule appointments for all the players - the same as scheduling appointments, with the doctors, for players to get their physical exams. And Primo, during his scheduled appointment, saw fit to expose himself. Is how it sounds. Good golly.

I'm strictly talking about a doctor's duty to warn authorities, as in police, and wondering whether Primo's clear boundary crossing to her didn't in fact merit reporting irrespective of team being informed and involved.

What we do know is that no police report has been filed (EDIT to add: I'm not even sure whether a duty to warn trigger would appear as an official police report) and that he in fact did it again recently in Minny (and however many times in between).

This is why duty to warn, which I understand as impending harm to self or others, is part of a doctor's responsibility and where the HIPPA questions and her role as a professional come in.

It's a heavy burden to be both the professional and the victim, but I was just expanding a thought about the ramifications of his not only exposing himself but to a team psychologist while in session (likely scenario if I'm reading between the lines correctly).

Lots of complex layers.

[JeffReal]

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I'm strictly talking about a doctor's duty to warn authorities, as in police, and wondering whether Primo's clear boundary crossing to her didn't in fact merit reporting irrespective of team being informed and involved. …

What would a police report on that incident say, tho? What would she be warning the police about?

What would the police supposedly do? Arrest him on suspicion that at some future time, unknown, in some place, unknown, he might commit an offense against some victim, unknown?

I don’t see what you mean.

[G R E Y]

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I'm strictly talking about a doctor's duty to warn authorities, as in police, and wondering whether Primo's clear boundary crossing to her didn't in fact merit reporting irrespective of team being informed and involved. …

What would a police report on that incident say, tho? What would she be warning the police about?

What would the police supposedly do? Arrest him on suspicion that at some future time, unknown, in some place, unknown, he might commit an offense against some victim, unknown?

I don’t see what you mean.

I only know that there are certain instances that trigger duty to warn. As I've said, I'm not sure whether duty to warn or some equivalent like it applies here.

Police report is less the right wording than reporting to the police is. What duty to warn triggers is specific reactions from authorities to try to inform potential third parties (difficult in this case, though we do not know the other victims, just that he's done it to at least one person he knows and one he doesn't) and sometimes the person has to be removed ie/ placed in a mental health facility for a short predetermined time.

We don't know enough - what he told her, about whom to say whether duty to warn would apply - only that her lawyer said HIPPA restrictions would be observed.

[bradybunch]

Money grab by the former SA employee.

It's highly inappropriate to flash anyone, but certainly not worthy of a big payout.

Ridiculous lawsuit incoming.

bradybunch going hard into the paint with the incel energy!

You can't guard me in the post, son.

[DroughtsOverPHX]

nobody has claimed him off waivers looks like his career is done.

He's younger than most rookies and has skills. His career is far from over.

This makes me think of Marv Albert and his non-consensual jumping on a lady whilst sporting panties and a garter and he bit her on the neck. He was charged and out of the broadcast booth for 2 years. You rarely heard it spoken of ever again. Sometimes the forgive and forget stuff is shocking and surprising. When someone has the talent to make you money, sins are overlooked. So, I agree, his talent will get him back in the game if he wants it and is willing to do something that resembles work on his issues.

[G R E Y]

Oh. A wardrobe malfunction. Hate it when that happens

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[Castle Black]

Oh. A wardrobe malfunction. Hate it when that happens

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Lol yea right. The statement he released last week was an admission of guilt. This wreaks of a poor coverup attempt.

[G R E Y]

Oh. A wardrobe malfunction. Hate it when that happens

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Lol yea right. The statement he released last week was an admission of guilt. This wreaks of a poor coverup attempt.

And only addresses the psychologist. Not the housekeeping in Minny. Not anyone else. Just

But yeah 'wardrobe malfunction'. Spurs waived him not understanding the difference.

[G R E Y]

Wait wait wait.

Our sources say Primo was shocked by the allegations ... and many in his circle feel he's a young guy who's being taken advantage of by a medical professional twice his age.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/02/joshua-primo-denies-intentionally-expose-privates-team-therapist-sources-san-antonio-spurs-nba/

This is serious.

Tom Orsborn wrote an article recently where the psychologist's ethics were touted by others who have worked with her. She was even on an ethics board.

To be honest I was surprised about the press conference announcement. Just feels off in my gut. Not that I don't believe her, I do. Just that the notion of trial by media or jury by public in getting the first word when the Spurs pretty much must remain silent lest anything said be used against them feels off.

Seems far more complex already...

[MVP1992]

Did CNN ever replace Jeffery Toobin?
Job opportunity.

[DaFan334]

I wonder if he plays again this year

Do the Nets have any open roster spots?

[BobbyPortisEyes]

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[Chinook]

Oh. A wardrobe malfunction. Hate it when that happens

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Lol yea right. The statement he released last week was an admission of guilt. This wreaks of a poor coverup attempt.

And only addresses the psychologist. Not the housekeeping in Minny. Not anyone else. Just

But yeah 'wardrobe malfunction'. Spurs waived him not understanding the difference.

I've yet to see the hotel thing be confirmed. Even so, it's possible that Primo's apology was about that incident and his leaking TMZ is specifically about the psychologist. Sort of an "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no deputy" situation. Part of the concern with getting Buzbee is that it makes this feel like a money grab. It's hard to figure out why the psychologist retained him if she wasn't looking for a payday through any means necessary, so I also worry that we can't rely on her ethics here. If those are out the window, how do we know if she was really flashed, especially deliberately or aggressively? She might feel like no one would question her after what happened in the hotel and just went with it. Or maybe because of the hotel situation, she wasn't willing to accept a legit malfunction excuse?

I don't like this. I don't like the fact that I can totally see another scenario where a woman's credibility is torn to shreds in the public eye. But I am not sure if she's going to bring it upon herself depending on what the next few weeks/months reveal. At this point, it doesn't seem to have been that well thought out.

[G R E Y]

Lol yea right. The statement he released last week was an admission of guilt. This wreaks of a poor coverup attempt.

And only addresses the psychologist. Not the housekeeping in Minny. Not anyone else. Just

But yeah 'wardrobe malfunction'. Spurs waived him not understanding the difference.

I've yet to see the hotel thing be confirmed. Even so, it's possible that Primo's apology was about that incident and his leaking TMZ is specifically about the psychologist. Sort of an "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no deputy" situation. Part of the concern with getting Buzbee is that it makes this feel like a money grab. It's hard to figure out why the psychologist retained him if she wasn't looking for a payday through any means necessary, so I also worry that we can't rely on her ethics here. If those are out the window, how do we know if she was really flashed, especially deliberately or aggressively? She might feel like no one would question her after what happened in the hotel and just went with it. Or maybe because of the hotel situation, she wasn't willing to accept a legit malfunction excuse?

I don't like this. I don't like the fact that I can totally see another scenario where a woman's credibility is torn to shreds in the public eye. But I am not sure if she's going to bring it upon herself depending on what the next few weeks/months reveal. At this point, it doesn't seem to have been that well thought out.

Yeah I mentioned before that something in my gut is feeling off about a press conference.

Tom Orsborn recently wrote an article about the psychologist, basically about how ethical she is. Ok. Not sure how that squares with verdict by public opinion. And getting the message out first is her right I guess but yeah the way this is laying out ... I can't put my finger on it. Just a gut feeling something's off.

The thing about the Minny situation is it's countered with Shams/Woj/Shelburne confirming 'multiple women'.

I didn't want to post it here at the time because they weren't confirmed, but among other things, I'd read two accounts of multiple women, some in public, shortly before the above reports came out. I think the Spurs had enough info to make the unprecedented decision they did.

The statement, though, that those close to him thought Primo was being taken advantage of... oof. Very serious extra layer.

I also mentioned before about duty to warn - a doctor has to inform potential third parties and authorities of impending harm to self and others is the gist. Another poster said the psychologist's first duty is to the team, but I think it's to her profession. She was a psychologist first, Spurs employee second. Regardless of what anyone on the team may have said (depending on what they knew and when), this strikes me as something that falls under duty to warn. But her lawyer said all HIPPA restrictions would apply. Duty to warn bypasses HIPPA legally. That's not to say that any details about their sessions should be stated, just that she'd have been legally covered with revealing info in a DTW situation.

I brought it up because it was another layer I was thinking about, pondering the ramifications of various what-if scenarios.

These ones I didn't see coming - neither the presser nor the taking advantage of by an older more experienced person allegation.

Holy ****.