​hypothetically speaking

[soobias]

just speaking ​hypothetically , what were/are some trade scenarios would you do or would have done ?
i keep thinking back to the warriors were trying to trade for simmons and i was wanting PDX to trade DAME for the pkg of wiseman,kuminga,poole + picks.

what were/are yours ?

[Case2012]

Eric Bledsoe and the 7th pick for Julius Randle and the 11th pick. We'd have a starting line up of Dame, Simons, Grant, Randle and Nurkic.

That was a totally realistic trade imo with Randle having such low value after last season and how he interacted with fans. We could've drafted Duren as a long term replacement for Nurkic.

I'm happy with Sharpe though. I had some doubts but he's a natural with 2 way instincts.

Randle would've been great too though. He's better than Grant offensively and can play defense if he's engaged. Having 2 6'8 forwards that can score at that level would have made us contenders imo. Randle is also around 260 and made of pure muscle. Add Duren to that group with Payton, Winslow and Hart and we're very physically intimidating.

You have to factor in chemistry however and I'm not sure Randle would've been a good fit with all the touches he'd demand and how he would've worked in the system.

[BlazersBroncos]

Eric Bledsoe and the 7th pick for Julius Randle and the 11th pick. We'd have a starting line up of Dame, Simons, Grant, Randle and Nurkic.

That was a totally realistic trade imo with Randle having such low value after last season and how he interacted with fans. We could've drafted Duren as a long term replacement for Nurkic.

I'm happy with Sharpe though. I had some doubts but he's a natural with 2 way instincts.

Randle would've been great too though. He's better than Grant offensively and can play defense if he's engaged. Having 2 6'8 forwards that can score at that level would have made us contenders imo. Randle is also around 260 and made of pure muscle. Add Duren to that group with Payton, Winslow and Hart and we're very physically intimidating.

You have to factor in chemistry however and I'm not sure Randle would've been a good fit with all the touches he'd demand and how he would've worked in the system.

Ending up with Randle and Duren rather than Sharpe would have been one of the worst moves this team has made in decades. Neither guys are needle movers. Sharpe looks like a guy that can change a franchise. A special talent.

I wanted to consolidate our ballast (Bledsoe, Winslow, maybe Keon to get CHA some incentive) into Hayward but understand the FO didnt want to take on that type of money.

I am now hoping we can turn Ant into Lauri and run Dame / Hart / Grant / Lauri / Nurkic, but dont think UTA has any reason to do it.

[Case2012]

Eric Bledsoe and the 7th pick for Julius Randle and the 11th pick. We'd have a starting line up of Dame, Simons, Grant, Randle and Nurkic.

That was a totally realistic trade imo with Randle having such low value after last season and how he interacted with fans. We could've drafted Duren as a long term replacement for Nurkic.

I'm happy with Sharpe though. I had some doubts but he's a natural with 2 way instincts.

Randle would've been great too though. He's better than Grant offensively and can play defense if he's engaged. Having 2 6'8 forwards that can score at that level would have made us contenders imo. Randle is also around 260 and made of pure muscle. Add Duren to that group with Payton, Winslow and Hart and we're very physically intimidating.

You have to factor in chemistry however and I'm not sure Randle would've been a good fit with all the touches he'd demand and how he would've worked in the system.

Ending up with Randle and Duren rather than Sharpe would have been one of the worst moves this team has made in decades. Neither guys are needle movers. Sharpe looks like a guy that can change a franchise. A special talent.

I wanted to consolidate our ballast (Bledsoe, Winslow, maybe Keon to get CHA some incentive) into Hayward but understand the FO didnt want to take on that type of money.

I am now hoping we can turn Ant into Lauri and run Dame / Hart / Grant / Lauri / Nurkic, but dont think UTA has any reason to do it.

Duren was the youngest player in the draft and probably the most physically imposing player drafted since Dwight, you have no idea whether he’s going to be a “needle mover” or not, and Randle was an all nba selection a year ago so calling that the worst move the blazers could have made in decades is ridiculous. Sharpe is special, I agree but if you have the ability to see the future float me some lotto picks please. Worst move in decades LOL OK BUDDY, COOL.

[monopoman]

Eric Bledsoe and the 7th pick for Julius Randle and the 11th pick. We'd have a starting line up of Dame, Simons, Grant, Randle and Nurkic.

That was a totally realistic trade imo with Randle having such low value after last season and how he interacted with fans. We could've drafted Duren as a long term replacement for Nurkic.

I'm happy with Sharpe though. I had some doubts but he's a natural with 2 way instincts.

Randle would've been great too though. He's better than Grant offensively and can play defense if he's engaged. Having 2 6'8 forwards that can score at that level would have made us contenders imo. Randle is also around 260 and made of pure muscle. Add Duren to that group with Payton, Winslow and Hart and we're very physically intimidating.

You have to factor in chemistry however and I'm not sure Randle would've been a good fit with all the touches he'd demand and how he would've worked in the system.

Sharpe may be the biggest steal of the draft, he plays with such confidence and ability despite playing 0 games in college. I am dumbfounded that he has such skill and smoothness to his game despite never playing a single minute in college. The kid was likely going to be a #1 pick if he would have played in college, and showed his game more.

I think many fans will be jealous of the Blazers young guys in a few years.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Nurkic + Little = Myles Turner + Jalen Smith
Portland needs to add smaller contracts like GB3 to ensure the money works.

Turner's skillset with Smith playing PF/C gives Portland a more balanced roster and better D.
As it is, we have to wait for the February deadline to do much of anything ... which is absolutely fine.

Another way to go: Hart + Little = OG. That trade is about right.

[BlazersBroncos]

Eric Bledsoe and the 7th pick for Julius Randle and the 11th pick. We'd have a starting line up of Dame, Simons, Grant, Randle and Nurkic.

That was a totally realistic trade imo with Randle having such low value after last season and how he interacted with fans. We could've drafted Duren as a long term replacement for Nurkic.

I'm happy with Sharpe though. I had some doubts but he's a natural with 2 way instincts.

Randle would've been great too though. He's better than Grant offensively and can play defense if he's engaged. Having 2 6'8 forwards that can score at that level would have made us contenders imo. Randle is also around 260 and made of pure muscle. Add Duren to that group with Payton, Winslow and Hart and we're very physically intimidating.

You have to factor in chemistry however and I'm not sure Randle would've been a good fit with all the touches he'd demand and how he would've worked in the system.

Ending up with Randle and Duren rather than Sharpe would have been one of the worst moves this team has made in decades. Neither guys are needle movers. Sharpe looks like a guy that can change a franchise. A special talent.

I wanted to consolidate our ballast (Bledsoe, Winslow, maybe Keon to get CHA some incentive) into Hayward but understand the FO didnt want to take on that type of money.

I am now hoping we can turn Ant into Lauri and run Dame / Hart / Grant / Lauri / Nurkic, but dont think UTA has any reason to do it.

Duren was the youngest player in the draft and probably the most physically imposing player drafted since Dwight, you have no idea whether he’s going to be a “needle mover” or not, and Randle was an all nba selection a year ago so calling that the worst move the blazers could have made in decades is ridiculous. Sharpe is special, I agree but if you have the ability to see the future float me some lotto picks please. Worst move in decades LOL OK BUDDY, COOL.

I liked Duren, think he would be a tremendous 4th or 5th starter on a playoff team. Elite rebounder, good defender with amazing strength and decent switchability. But I dont for a second think he can be a Top-3 guy on a playoff team. He is a complimentary dish, not an entree. Sharpe has the potential to be the 2nd, hell maybe even 1st, option on a playoff team IMO. He is that talented, both athletically (Which we all knew) but also his BBall IQ this early has been the most surprising thing. The game is effortless for him, and most guys that play this effortless with this caliber natural gifts end up being really, really good.

He isnt a Jalen Green type ball stopper / chucker either. He just seems to know how to play the game, the team game, at a high level despite not getting any minutes for like 18 months prior to being drafted.

Duren is a Mitchell Robinson type to me, and I may be wrong. But I think Sharpe has Top-3 SG in the league talent and potential, and flashing like this so early is a tremendously strong sign that he is going to be, at minimum, a starting caliber SG. And thats if he doesnt develop a bit from this point onward, which is clearly not going to be the case.

[Norm2953]

Duren is going to need a lot of patient coaching but he was never in the cards for the Pelicans FRP
was always earmarked for Grant

Sharpe if he continues to get steady minutes will be a fine player. I do wonder however how things will
go when the league adjusts to him and his minutes begin to decline when GP2 is ready to play. Portland's
next plan will have to figure out their surplus in the back court for Keon is also deserving of some time
but will never see the floor.

[monopoman]

Nurkic + Little = Myles Turner + Jalen Smith
Portland needs to add smaller contracts like GB3 to ensure the money works.

Turner's skillset with Smith playing PF/C gives Portland a more balanced roster and better D.
As it is, we have to wait for the February deadline to do much of anything ... which is absolutely fine.

Another way to go: Hart + Little = OG. That trade is about right.

From the reports I heard of what the Raptors think of OG I think it's more Hart+Little and at least 1 unprotected 1st if not more.

[HoopsFanAZ]

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Another way to go: Hart + Little = OG. That trade is about right.

From the reports I heard of what the Raptors think of OG I think it's more Hart+Little and at least 1 unprotected 1st if not more.

With the Raptors needs to help FredV and guard depth with GT Jr, Hart fits nicely. Adding a protected 1st with Little? I’d still like it. Keon, too?

You’re right that the cost gets up there.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think OG basically only has age and a nice cheap contract as pluses over Hart at this point. Josh is such an important piece of this team, he sets a tone that really cant be understated. I am in no rush to move him.

Also, OG wants a bigger offensive role. We dont really have that space for him w/ Dame, Ant and Grant here. I honestly think that Hart gives us more of what we need on the court than OG. Ballhandling / passing / rebounding especially.

[Case2012]

I think OG basically only has age and a nice cheap contract as pluses over Hart at this point. Josh is such an important piece of this team, he sets a tone that really cant be understated. I am in no rush to move him.

Also, OG wants a bigger offensive role. We dont really have that space for him w/ Dame, Ant and Grant here. I honestly think that Hart gives us more of what we need on the court than OG. Ballhandling / passing / rebounding especially.

Hart is rumored to want a 4 year 112 million deal next year so he’s basically leaving for nothing because i can’t see cheap af Jody willing to go into the tax for him. Trade him at the deadline or watch him walk. Hart and Keon Or Little plus a first is worth it to get a 240 pound 6’8 all defensive team guy locked in for a few more years. Ujiri will want Sharpe though no doubt so I don’t see a deal here.

I would rather just keep Hart, because he’s the hart and soul of this team in a way we haven’t seen since Matthews but I can’t see Jody paying him almost 30 million a year as an undersized sf. If we could do a 4 year 80 million, great, but it’s a big risk. I guess it’s worth looking at what teams have cap space next season and a need at the 2.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think OG basically only has age and a nice cheap contract as pluses over Hart at this point. Josh is such an important piece of this team, he sets a tone that really cant be understated. I am in no rush to move him.

Also, OG wants a bigger offensive role. We dont really have that space for him w/ Dame, Ant and Grant here. I honestly think that Hart gives us more of what we need on the court than OG. Ballhandling / passing / rebounding especially.

Hart is rumored to want a 4 year 112 million deal next year so he’s basically leaving for nothing because i can’t see cheap af Jody willing to go into the tax for him. Trade him at the deadline or watch him walk. Hart and Keon Or Little plus a first is worth it to get a 240 pound 6’8 all defensive team guy locked in for a few more years. Ujiri will want Sharpe though no doubt so I don’t see a deal here.

I would rather just keep Hart, because he’s the hart and soul of this team in a way we haven’t seen since Matthews but I can’t see Jody paying him almost 30 million a year as an undersized sf. If we could do a 4 year 80 million, great, but it’s a big risk. I guess it’s worth looking at what teams have cap space next season and a need at the 2.

Ya, that is an absurd contract for a role player. Realistically I think he is worth closer to 18-20M per year. And as you said, he is the closest we have had to Wes, just a huge glue guy.

As you said, Masai isnt moving OG for less than a Sharpe like overpay, which PDX wont consider.

It really does suck that both Hart and Grant are due a payday. I think Nurkic is another key 'heart and soul' type but if we have to move his deal and role with a vet min C to resign those two, I do it all day. Really wish we found a way to get Kessler in the draft, could be our low usage garbage defensive C and then allocate that Nurkic money to Hart and Grant.

Going to be another interesting offseason.

[zzaj]

Wasn't there some deal for Poetl on the table a few years ago? That would have been a nice get...

[BlazersBroncos]

Wasn't there some deal for Poetl on the table a few years ago? That would have been a nice get...

Love Poeltl, but he is due for a payday likely to end up similar to Nurkic IMO.

The guy I would love to get is Zubac due to his really, really, really reasonable contract. Not quite as good as Nurkic, but I take him due to that 8M AV difference in $$$. Dont see any way LAC would be enticed though, esp w/ Nurkic as the outgoing guy.

But moving from a C at 18M to 10M gives us in theory that 8M to spend on keeping Hart / Grant.

[zzaj]

Wasn't there some deal for Poetl on the table a few years ago? That would have been a nice get...

Love Poeltl, but he is due for a payday likely to end up similar to Nurkic IMO.

The guy I would love to get is Zubac due to his really, really, really reasonable contract. Not quite as good as Nurkic, but I take him due to that 8M AV difference in $$$. Dont see any way LAC would be enticed though, esp w/ Nurkic as the outgoing guy.

But moving from a C at 18M to 10M gives us in theory that 8M to spend on keeping Hart / Grant.

Yeah, mostly I'm just trying to answer the OP's question...I feel like pre-covid there was something at least rumored surrounding Poetl. I can't remember what the details were...could also be wrong. Would much rather have Poetl than Nurkic, obvs...

[BNM]

Hart is rumored to want a 4 year 112 million deal next year so he’s basically leaving for nothing because i can’t see cheap af Jody willing to go into the tax for him.

I am baffled by this comment. The Blazers just signed Dame to a MASSIVE contract extension, one of the largest in league history, that has the team paying him nearly a quarter of a BILLION dollars over the next five years that tops out with an annual salary of $63 million when he is 36 years old. How is that "cheap af"?

Posters on this forum are constantly bitching that we overpaid Nurk, overpaid Simons, overpaid (insert name of any free agent we have resigned since Jody inherited the team) and were bidding against ourselves. How is that "cheap af"?

How can these things be true, overpaying our superstar and bidding against ourselves to overpay our role players, if the owner is "cheap af".

Avoiding triggering repeater tax penalties isn't about being cheap, it's prudent roster management. You don't just write a check for the tax penalty, being in repeater tax status severely limits future roster moves/flexibility. That's why you avoid it, not because you are "cheap af".

I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to Jody as an owner, but calling her "cheap af" just doesn't add up.

[BNM]

BTW, avoiding the tax penalty this year, will delay tax repeater status for a year and might actually let us resign both Grant and Hart next summer.

[BlazersBroncos]

BTW, avoiding the tax penalty this year, will delay tax repeater status for a year and might actually let us resign both Grant and Hart next summer.

Assuming the contracts are within reason, we need to pay them. Makes no sense to give Dame that deal, finally surround him with good fits and then pinch pennies. We should have been assuming the team will be a tax penalty squad the moment inked Dame to that huge deal.

[BNM]

BTW, avoiding the tax penalty this year, will delay tax repeater status for a year and might actually let us resign both Grant and Hart next summer.

Assuming the contracts are within reason, we need to pay them. Makes no sense to give Dame that deal, finally surround him with good fits and then pinch pennies. We should have been assuming the team will be a tax penalty squad the moment inked Dame to that huge deal.

I'm fine with Dame's extension and what we paid to resign Ant and Nurk. It is simply POR's lot in life. We are a small market team with crappy weather during the NBA season, high state income tax, in a very remote location compared to other NBA teams. So, we overpay... What I am baffled by is how our owner, who signs off on those above market value those contracts, can be called "cheap af".

In addition to the onerous financial penalties of being in repeater tax territory, once you exceed the tax apron, the ability to make roster moves, both trades and signings, becomes a LOT harder.

Yes, we will likely be a tax paying team going forward once Dame's extension kicks in. I'm sure Jody knew that and still agreed to give him the extension (and to also sign off on Nurk's and Ant's new deals).

There is a difference between being cheap and smart long term planning. Avoiding the tax this season, while fielding a competitive team, is solid long term planning. Cronin has assembled a roster that can compete this season, certainly the best we've had in years, in terms of talent and fit, but by avoiding the tax this year, he has more flexibility going forward.