Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - 2023 Off Season

[SupremeHustle]

I agree with everything you guys are saying and also Rodgers isn't nearly as good as he used to be.

[PintSizedBox10]

In case you want a refresher on what some here were saying pre and post-Rodgers coming back, enjoy this one.

I'm a genius.

[th87]

Would love to hear the win now moves that would have taken this team from being legitimately bad to contending.

This team is playing badly, but is not legitimately bad.

- The O-line needs to gel/get healthy. I'd expect Jenkins to improve, and hope Bakhtiari does too. Solid chance this happens, but Gute should be looking at stopgaps too. Improvement here would immediately turn this team around.

- Defense needs to click or Barry needs to go. This the most talented group in years.

- They need to commit to the run.

Adding a WR to this group + improvements within turns this team into one nobody would want to face. Getting Hockenson would also have gone a long way, and the cost was only a "Josh Jones".

I'm actually shocked how many of you are writing this team off less than halfway into the season. But then I'm seeing that it's the pro-Gute/anti-Rodgers contingent, so I guess this is how his malpractice is now rationalized - "we never had a chance anyway."

[LUKE23]

I'll stand by my take in that thread (and I'll stick by the studly defense comment - I believe that's mostly Barry

People need to stop talking about Love and 2022 as if it that is all that matters here, though. The flip side of a huge extension for Rodgers is getting multiple first round picks, maybe some young talent in addition, while also being able to retain your entire defense.

Sure, Love may suck in 2022. But then you have a stacked 2023 draft to take your guy, cap flexibility, and a young studly defense.

Now, I get that moving on from a back to back MVP is easier on these forums than in real life. That said - you make this move while going all in and kicking a ton of cap problems into the future, there is only one acceptable outcome and that is hoisting the Lombardi. Period.

[ReasonablySober]

Would love to hear the win now moves that would have taken this team from being legitimately bad to contending.

This team is playing badly, but is not legitimately bad.

- The O-line needs to gel/get healthy. I'd expect Jenkins to improve, and hope Bakhtiari does too. Solid chance this happens, but Gute should be looking at stopgaps too. Improvement here would immediately turn this team around.

- Defense needs to click or Barry needs to go. This the most talented group in years.

- They need to commit to the run.

Adding a WR to this group + improvements within turns this team into one nobody would want to face. Getting Hockenson would also have gone a long way, and the cost was only a "Josh Jones".

I'm actually shocked how many of you are writing this team off less than halfway into the season. But then I'm seeing that it's the pro-Gute/anti-Rodgers contingent, so I guess this is how his malpractice is now rationalized - "we never had a chance anyway."

So the team that Gute put together is Actually Good, they're just not playing well.

[th87]

They offered a second-round pick for Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Chase Claypool, the source said, but the Steelers decided to take the Chicago Bears’ offer of a second-round pick because they thought it would be the better of the two picks.

According to another source, the Bears wanted to give up the second-round pick they had just gotten from Baltimore for linebacker Roquan Smith, but the Steelers demanded it be the Bears’ own second-round pick. The Steelers expected the 3-5 Bears to finish with a worse record than the 5-3 Ravens.

And when it came to evaluating Green Bay’s offer, they expected the 3-5 Bears to finish with a worse record than the 3-5 Packers. How much worse likely dictated what the Steelers wanted from Green Bay in draft choice compensation to make up the difference. The additional pick presumably would have had to be commensurate with whatever difference the Steelers thought there would be between where the Bears pick and the Packers pick.

So, if they thought it was a 10-pick difference, for example, the Packers would have had to give up an additional fourth-round pick.

The source said the Packers turned their sights on Claypool after a deal they thought they had for another offensive prospect – one not mentioned much in trade rumors – fell through when the other team pulled out at the last minute. The source said the Packers wouldn’t want him to divulge the name of the player so he would only say it was someone who could have helped the offense greatly.

The only way we would have gotten Claypool is with a 1st rounder. That obviously would have been awful.

Would love to know who the other offensive target was.

A 1st rounder? You should reread your article.

Depending on how much worse the Bears were expected to be, the Packers had to make up the difference in draft compensation. 10 picks worse = 4th rounder. 5 worse, maybe a conditional 4th.

In no way does beating a team's second rounder mean you give up a first.

[th87]

Would love to hear the win now moves that would have taken this team from being legitimately bad to contending.

This team is playing badly, but is not legitimately bad.

- The O-line needs to gel/get healthy. I'd expect Jenkins to improve, and hope Bakhtiari does too. Solid chance this happens, but Gute should be looking at stopgaps too. Improvement here would immediately turn this team around.

- Defense needs to click or Barry needs to go. This the most talented group in years.

- They need to commit to the run.

Adding a WR to this group + improvements within turns this team into one nobody would want to face. Getting Hockenson would also have gone a long way, and the cost was only a "Josh Jones".

I'm actually shocked how many of you are writing this team off less than halfway into the season. But then I'm seeing that it's the pro-Gute/anti-Rodgers contingent, so I guess this is how his malpractice is now rationalized - "we never had a chance anyway."

So the team that Gute put together is Actually Good, they're just not playing well.

Yes, they can be good, but could've been great.

This article sums it up:
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-might-have-closed-door-on-rodgers-super-bowl-window

[ReasonablySober]

They offered a second-round pick for Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Chase Claypool, the source said, but the Steelers decided to take the Chicago Bears’ offer of a second-round pick because they thought it would be the better of the two picks.

According to another source, the Bears wanted to give up the second-round pick they had just gotten from Baltimore for linebacker Roquan Smith, but the Steelers demanded it be the Bears’ own second-round pick. The Steelers expected the 3-5 Bears to finish with a worse record than the 5-3 Ravens.

And when it came to evaluating Green Bay’s offer, they expected the 3-5 Bears to finish with a worse record than the 3-5 Packers. How much worse likely dictated what the Steelers wanted from Green Bay in draft choice compensation to make up the difference. The additional pick presumably would have had to be commensurate with whatever difference the Steelers thought there would be between where the Bears pick and the Packers pick.

So, if they thought it was a 10-pick difference, for example, the Packers would have had to give up an additional fourth-round pick.

The source said the Packers turned their sights on Claypool after a deal they thought they had for another offensive prospect – one not mentioned much in trade rumors – fell through when the other team pulled out at the last minute. The source said the Packers wouldn’t want him to divulge the name of the player so he would only say it was someone who could have helped the offense greatly.

The only way we would have gotten Claypool is with a 1st rounder. That obviously would have been awful.

Would love to know who the other offensive target was.

A 1st rounder? You should reread your article.

Depending on how much worse the Bears were expected to be, the Packers had to make up the difference in draft compensation. 10 picks worse = 4th rounder. 5 worse, maybe a conditional 4th.

In no way does beating a team's second rounder mean you give up a first.

For the record, I think a 2nd and 4th (if that even would have gotten the deal done) would have been awful too.

[ReasonablySober]

This team is playing badly, but is not legitimately bad.

- The O-line needs to gel/get healthy. I'd expect Jenkins to improve, and hope Bakhtiari does too. Solid chance this happens, but Gute should be looking at stopgaps too. Improvement here would immediately turn this team around.

- Defense needs to click or Barry needs to go. This the most talented group in years.

- They need to commit to the run.

Adding a WR to this group + improvements within turns this team into one nobody would want to face. Getting Hockenson would also have gone a long way, and the cost was only a "Josh Jones".

I'm actually shocked how many of you are writing this team off less than halfway into the season. But then I'm seeing that it's the pro-Gute/anti-Rodgers contingent, so I guess this is how his malpractice is now rationalized - "we never had a chance anyway."

So the team that Gute put together is Actually Good, they're just not playing well.

Yes, they can be good, but could've been great.

This article sums it up:
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-might-have-closed-door-on-rodgers-super-bowl-window

I agree:

I understand general manager Brian Gutekunst’s perspective. He thought he had built another championship-worthy powerhouse, this one with an elite defense good enough to offset his trade of Davante Adams. At some point, with Matt LaFleur directing the ship, Rodgers at the wheel and three receivers added via the draft, the offense would take flight.

None of that happened. The defense has been a huge disappointment and the offense might not be any better than it was when it got trounced in Week 1. Why throw good money after bad? Would Chase Claypool have been the defibrillator needed to get the offense going? Or was the green-and-gold patient too far gone, and the price tag of a second-round pick (and something else) too valuable for the inevitable rebuild that’s to come?

Honestly, probably the latter.

[th87]

So the team that Gute put together is Actually Good, they're just not playing well.

Yes, they can be good, but could've been great.

This article sums it up:
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-might-have-closed-door-on-rodgers-super-bowl-window

I agree:

I understand general manager Brian Gutekunst’s perspective. He thought he had built another championship-worthy powerhouse, this one with an elite defense good enough to offset his trade of Davante Adams. At some point, with Matt LaFleur directing the ship, Rodgers at the wheel and three receivers added via the draft, the offense would take flight.

None of that happened. The defense has been a huge disappointment and the offense might not be any better than it was when it got trounced in Week 1. Why throw good money after bad? Would Chase Claypool have been the defibrillator needed to get the offense going? Or was the green-and-gold patient too far gone, and the price tag of a second-round pick (and something else) too valuable for the inevitable rebuild that’s to come?

Honestly, probably the latter.

Or:

That being said, it’s Aaron Frickin’ Rodgers. No, he has not played to his standard this year. No, at age 38, maybe he’s not good enough to strap the team to his right arm and take it on one of those legendary runs. But Allen Lazard, Claypool and, say, Romeo Doubs would have been a darned good starting point to the passing game. A competent passing attack and a really good running attack can be a winning formula in the playoffs.

Guys like Rodgers are once-in-a-generation players. That the Packers went from Brett Favre to Rodgers is impossibly improbable. Would that second-round pick that would have gone to Pittsburgh in the Claypool trade be useful in navigating the post-Rodgers path? Of course. But if you don’t have a quarterback, who cares?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Is there really much of a difference between Claypool and Lazard? Claypool ran a better 40 but Lazard but they have identical YPC for their careers.

I would have been more interested in a guy like Moore who would have brought a different skill set to that group.

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[ReasonablySober]

He's using his head in the former, and sounds like a delusional fan living in 2012 in the latter. I mean,

But Allen Lazard, Claypool and, say, Romeo Doubs would have been a darned good starting point to the passing game.

...that's laughable. Two third options and an unreliable 4th does not make for, "a darned good starting point".

[Profound23]

Is there really much of a difference between Claypool and Lazard? Claypool ran a better 40 but Lazard but they have identical YPC for their careers.

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Yes, a huge difference. Lazard blocks well and runs the correct routes while Claypool makes tiktoks and complains about underthrown balls after running the incorrect routes.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Who knows maybe some/all these guys end up being players but it's pretty brutal that they had 4 top 100 picks last year and have gotten basically nothing out of it yet.

Walker has been a downgrade from Barnes
Wyatt is barely seeing the field
Watson has been hurt
Rhyan I don't think he's even been active for a game yet and that's probably not a great sign since they've struggled up front.

Rookies take time but this was a year they really could have used an instant impact.

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[humanrefutation]

The source said the Packers turned their sights on Claypool after a deal they thought they had for another offensive prospect – one not mentioned much in trade rumors – fell through when the other team pulled out at the last minute. The source said the Packers wouldn’t want him to divulge the name of the player so he would only say it was someone who could have helped the offense greatly.

Would love to know who the other offensive target was.

My guess is that it's Darren Waller. They wanted him in the Adams trade last offseason.

[th87]

He's using his head in the former, and sounds like a delusional fan living in 2012 in the latter. I mean,

But Allen Lazard, Claypool and, say, Romeo Doubs would have been a darned good starting point to the passing game.

...that's laughable. Two third options and an unreliable 4th does not make for, "a darned good starting point".

So Gute f-ed up?

[ReasonablySober]

He's using his head in the former, and sounds like a delusional fan living in 2012 in the latter. I mean,

But Allen Lazard, Claypool and, say, Romeo Doubs would have been a darned good starting point to the passing game.

...that's laughable. Two third options and an unreliable 4th does not make for, "a darned good starting point".

So Gute f-ed up?

My dude I've already said his handling of the off season is fireable. Get rid of him. I have no problem with that, at all.

[PintSizedBox10]

Guys, guys, guys.

R-E-B-U-I-L-D

[WeekapaugGroove]

I lost faith in Gute when he seemed caught off guard that Rodgers was pissed about the Love pick. To not see that coming was a giant red flag.

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[Wooderson]

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