Kyrie donates $500K to organizations that fight hate. Adam Silver disappointed by Kyrie apology and plans to meet him

[PaulieWal]

Can anyone actually provide a clip, link or actual real quote from the movie?

This movie has caused massive drama and turmoil but I haven’t seen one real image of it

No they cannot. None of these fake outraged people have actually seen it. They are media drones bñindly repeating their narratives.

It's literally posted two posts before yours. Dig deeper defending a movie with fake nonsense attributed to Hitler.

[WestGOAT]

The league forced a black man to pay reparations to white people. Good job

How else will they fund their court-side seats?

[Duffman100]

I understand and agree that if you or I were to post that sort of thing, and it went public, we'd probably be terminated.
Look into the future - you think he's getting endorsements like he was before? He's tainted man. The damage is done it just isn't super evident yet. He's lost his future to a degree.

I'm still not sure of your point. Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences. Kyrie is still allowed to say what he wants - ie his free speech still exists - but just like anyone he's accountable for what he says.

I think we view the definition of freedom of speech a little differently, that's the disconnect. Yours aligns with the dictionary definition. You're saying he's able to say what he wants - yes his tongue wasn't plucked out and he wasn't imprisoned before he could say another word.

I'm saying he's not really that free because the price he's paying (future money and opportunities are greatly diminished and he's being publicly destroyed).


It really just boils down to the fact that I don't agree with him being destroyed for sharing a documentary. The contents of it seem pretty bad but this is highly subjective stuff. I think people need to chill out and be more forgiving.

So you're saying that people should have the freedom to say whatever they want but suffer no potential societal consequences for what they say?

[Dirk]

Can anyone actually provide a clip, link or actual real quote from the movie?

This movie has caused massive drama and turmoil but I haven’t seen one real image of it

No they cannot. None of these fake outraged people have actually seen it. They are media drones blindly repeating media narratives.

Have you seen it? You seem highly invested in these Kyrie topics, I assume you did?

[Dave DaButcher]

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[NetsWorld]

It looks like the league is going to force Kyrie to use the word sorry or they may end up suspending him indefinitely. I can see it already; it's sad what this whole thing has come to. NBA is so difficult to watch now.

[Stalwart]

Its astounding and depressing how many anti-Semites are on this website. This really is depressing.

It shouldn't be ok to slander other posters like this

Its slander to call out someone who insinuates that the Jews rule the world?

Its slander to call them antisemitic when he said nothing racist or hateful, yes. Its actually reprehensible to do that to somebody. But you guys are so radicalized you cant see it.

Or is there some sort of mental gymnastics you would like to exhibit to try and argue that wasnt what that quote was insinuating?

It doesn't matter what he meant. You don't know know what hev thinks or how he feels aout Jewish people.You are wrong to slander him that way.

[TheNewEra]

The league forced a black man to pay reparations to white people. Good job

I shouldn’t of laughed but this was hilarious. One day at a time.

[PaulieWal]

Can anyone actually provide a clip, link or actual real quote from the movie?

This movie has caused massive drama and turmoil but I haven’t seen one real image of it

No they cannot. None of these fake outraged people have actually seen it. They are media drones blindly repeating media narratives.

Have you seen it? You seem highly invested in these Kyrie topics, I assume you did?

He's just stirring the pot and we all know it. Like I said Pablo Torres did see it and posted a bunch of content from the movie.

The ones defending him haven't even bothered to research the movie.

[Lunartic]

Ideas and words and thoughts and beliefs should be freely proliferated

There's no such thing as "hate speech" there is only speech and that should be protected.

"Omg saying X is dangerous to democracy" is the most un-American, fascistic concept that is pushed as normal. What's dangerous to democracy is trying to muzzle people and silence them, regardless of how accurate or hurtful what they're saying is.

[djsunyc]

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young impressionable people change alot in their 20's/30's/40's. he'll probably change more in the next decade.

[Homerclease]

It looks like the league is going to force Kyrie to use the word sorry or they may end up suspending him indefinitely. I can see it already; it's sad what this whole thing has come to. NBA is so difficult to watch now.

Should’ve been suspended already to be honest.

[Grubie024]

I'm still not sure of your point. Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences. Kyrie is still allowed to say what he wants - ie his free speech still exists - but just like anyone he's accountable for what he says.

I think we view the definition of freedom of speech a little differently, that's the disconnect. Yours aligns with the dictionary definition. You're saying he's able to say what he wants - yes his tongue wasn't plucked out and he wasn't imprisoned before he could say another word.

I'm saying he's not really that free because the price he's paying (future money and opportunities are greatly diminished and he's being publicly destroyed).


It really just boils down to the fact that I don't agree with him being destroyed for sharing a documentary. The contents of it seem pretty bad but this is highly subjective stuff. I think people need to chill out and be more forgiving.

So you're saying that people should have the freedom to say whatever they want but suffer no potential societal consequences for what they say?

I basically addressed that with the final paragraph of my post. No, I don't think it should be a free for all but I think the threshold for outrage and wanting to destroy someone's life is a little low. I believe in freedom of speech more than most I guess. I'm not anti-semitic and I don't promote the documentary.

[shakes0]

Some of you don't understand free speech. You also don't understand expectations (or legally binding in some cases) and agreements of codes of conduct.

Your freedom of speech right is your ability to protest your government on public ground.

Freedom of speech is not the right to say whatever you want without any consequence. Think of it similar to how you cannot scream 'fire' and put people at risk for trampling when there is, in fact, no fire.

And also compare it to realGM and your user accounts. When you sign up here you agree to a terms of service. Which means you agree to abide by the conduct and expected behavior of this board and if you violate those rules, you can and will risk warnings, suspensions or your account being outright banned. There's a few of you in this thread espousing conspiracy theories and antiSemitic thoughts who are all too familiar with violating the ToS, as you have been banned from the current affairs board for not following the rules.

Kyrie is not jailed for his comments. He is not under government oppression for his inflammatory remarks. However, he is under fire from his peers (as in human beings), sponsors, and his employer for his conduct. Conduct which harms other people, conduct which harms his employer's business.

If Kyrie (and apparently some of you) don't want to suffer the consequences for making hateful comments, don't make them - or leave the areas where those hateful comments are not allowed and damage the people with whom you have signed employment and advertising contracts. It's not a hard concept.

Freedom of speech is a right to criticize your government. It is not a right to say whatever you want and feel no consequences, no pressure, no criticism from your fellow human beings.

but he didn't really promote hate speech did he? He shared a link to a book. He didn't say anything directly about Jews negatively, he actually said the opposite that hes got love for all.

Kevin Love tomorrow tweets a link to 'Birth of a Nation' with no context. Does he get in trouble by the league?

It's funny you say that because as a Jew I've been hoping that Deni Advija from the Wizards (and Israel) would post a link to Birth of a Nation just to prove that point.

[Zeno]

Its astounding and depressing how many anti-Semites are on this website. This really is depressing.

It shouldn't be ok to slander other posters like this

Its slander to call out someone who insinuates that the Jews rule the world?

Or is there some sort of mental gymnastics you would like to exhibit to try and argue that wasnt what that quote was insinuating?

Its slander to call out someone who insinuates that the Jews(who are impersonating the actual jews and didn't have 6 million of their population murdered) rule the world?

[alebaba]

It shouldn't be ok to slander other posters like this

Its slander to call out someone who insinuates that the Jews rule the world?

Its slander to call them antisemitic when he said nothing racist or hateful, yes. Its actually reprehensible to do that to somebody. But you guys are so radicalized you cant see it.

Or is there some sort of mental gymnastics you would like to exhibit to try and argue that wasnt what that quote was insinuating?

It doesn't matter what he meant. You don't know know what hev thinks or how he feels aout Jewish people.You are wrong to slander him that way.

A white Nba player can post a link that support the kkk, and we all should be okay about it, ri? Learn to read between the line, my dude..

[semjazy]

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

Exactly who is restricting his speech? His Twitter account is still up; he wasn't silenced by any entity, nor is he banned from speaking to the media.

It's mindboggling to me that we live in an era where people feel attacked if they’re held accountable for their actions.

Kyrie explained himself and stressed that he wasn't promoting hate or antisemitism. He just posted a link to an interesting documentary. He then stayed quiet and tried to move on. But then the "sports media" went on a witch hunt and whipped up a big controversy. They trashed Kyrie, the Brooklyn Nets, Adam Silver, and the NBA and pressured them to "do something". It got so bad that Kyrie and the Nets thought it was worth ONE MILLION DOLLARS to try and appease the crazed mob. Did it work? Nope. You guys are still trashing him.

And you're doing all this without being able to even explain what was antisemitic about the film or what Kyrie said. You are all being gaslit and radicalized.

You repeat this in every thread. This movie contains the negation of the Holocaust. If this is not anti-semitic for you, then I have no idea what you consider as anti-semitic.

And please, don't call this **** documentary. It's just 3.5 hours long power point presentantion combined with stock image, full of bigotry

[PaulieWal]

Ideas and words and thoughts and beliefs should be freely proliferated

There's no such thing as "hate speech" there is only speech and that should be protected.

"Omg saying X is dangerous to democracy" is the most un-American, fascistic concept that is pushed as normal. What's dangerous to democracy is trying to muzzle people and silence them, regardless of how accurate or hurtful what they're saying is.

Fully agree in principle but it applies more to the government trying to muzzle people. This isn't the government doing anything to Kyrie. Also, while all speech should be protected, it's weird to act like if someone says "X race is bad" and spews hate about them that the backlash they are receiving is un-American (as long as the govt is not involved). That's actually pretty laughable.

[BlazersBroncos]

It shouldn't be ok to slander other posters like this

Its slander to call out someone who insinuates that the Jews rule the world?

Its slander to call them antisemitic when he said nothing racist or hateful, yes. Its actually reprehensible to do that to somebody. But you guys are so radicalized you cant see it.

Or is there some sort of mental gymnastics you would like to exhibit to try and argue that wasnt what that quote was insinuating?

It doesn't matter what he meant. You don't know know what hev thinks or how he feels aout Jewish people.You are wrong to slander him that way.

"13/52"

Dont slander me on the above it could mean anything.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think we view the definition of freedom of speech a little differently, that's the disconnect. Yours aligns with the dictionary definition. You're saying he's able to say what he wants - yes his tongue wasn't plucked out and he wasn't imprisoned before he could say another word.

I'm saying he's not really that free because the price he's paying (future money and opportunities are greatly diminished and he's being publicly destroyed).


It really just boils down to the fact that I don't agree with him being destroyed for sharing a documentary. The contents of it seem pretty bad but this is highly subjective stuff. I think people need to chill out and be more forgiving.

So you're saying that people should have the freedom to say whatever they want but suffer no potential societal consequences for what they say?

I basically addressed that with the final paragraph of my post. No, I don't think it should be a free for all but I think the threshold for outrage and wanting to destroy someone's life is a little low. I believe in freedom of speech more than most I guess. I'm not anti-semitic and I don't promote the documentary.

Kyrie is an adult. He's thirty years old. We have a rising tide of antiSemitic behavior in this country, the world, which includes violence (as well as a rising violence against other marginalized groups). Kyrie chose to promote, because yes linking to something that is hateful without condemning it as hateful is promotion, an antiSemitic book and film to millions of people. No one forced him to do this at all. He chose to do it himself. He made a conscious decision to post hateful content out there, giving antiSemites in the world fire to use to back their beliefs and justifications. He made that choice to risk his own money with that decision.

If you are worried about his life 'being destroyed' because he made that decision, maybe also worry about the Jewish people who are going to get hurt - whether harassed or physically hurt - by his promotion. And how that impacts their lives.