Kyrie donates $500K to organizations that fight hate. Adam Silver disappointed by Kyrie apology and plans to meet him

[jokeboy86]

F Palestine

You think genocide is cool ehh! Cool guy


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You two are killing any chance of this topic staying a live. Just drop it.

Unfortunately I fear any Kyrie Irving thread from now on not related to his play on the court will now always devolve into a thread that would probably have to be locked up eventually

[Slax]

F Palestine

You think genocide is cool ehh! Cool guy


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You two are killing any chance of this topic staying a live. Just drop it.

Why would anyone want this thread to stay open? It's low quality discourse and filled with bigotry.

[Dirk]

You think genocide is cool ehh! Cool guy


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You two are killing any chance of this topic staying a live. Just drop it.

Why would anyone want this thread to stay open? It's low quality discourse and filled with bigotry.

That may be true.

But at the same time, you always have users making good points and educating others... in this case the discussion around free speech.

[Texas Chuck]

There are documentaries, books, videos, lectures, and theories that deny aspects of the transatlantic slave trade, for example. There are people that claim the whole thing was made up or exaggerated. I don't see this and automatically call them racists. That would be silly. I first consider their point of view based on the information. I then dismiss it or accept it and move on. I don't understand.

What documentaries, books and videos deny the transatlantic slave trade?

Let's maybe not encourage him to spread conspiracies here on the General Board? Not every view needs every platform. He has plenty of places to share this that aren't here, no?

[Hero]

Cool to see a lot of people in the NBA community speaking out about the association with the ADL. If he wants to stand against hate there are so many better organizations to be associated with.

Sad day for the NBA.

[tooler]

What I want to know is what's eating him up inside to make him go down this path? As an optimist I feel like there has to be a good reason for someone to get invested in stuff like this. Some sort of axe to grind or injustice they feel like they have to solve. I'm fascinated by stuff like this.

I don't know if we'll ever know the answer.

[semjazy]

I consider anti-semitism to be hatred and racism against Semetic people. I don't view controversial and incorrect takes on history to be antisemitic. That's a huge and damgerous leap to just equate holocaust denial with antisemitism. Its dehumanizing to label someone an anti-semite. I think there should be a much higher threshold for such an accusation.

There are documentaries, books, videos, lectures, and theories that deny aspects of the transatlantic slave trade, for example. There are people that claim the whole thing was made up or exaggerated. I don't see this and automatically call them racists. That would be silly. I first consider their point of view based on the information. I then dismiss it or accept it and move on. I don't understand.

You should. There is only one reason why they would claim that - they are racists trying to rewrite history.

Just as this Ronald guy. It's not just incorrect take on history. It's incorrect take + view that evil Jews who control the world, stole identity and history of "real jews". If you don't see how that leads to violence towards them, then you are delusional

Well, that's ridiculous. The words close minded and intolerant come to mind.

It is not mutually exclusive. Narrow mindedness and intolerance are, in fact, the foundations of racism

Negating such well-documented events as the slave trade and the Holocaust has one goal - justifying violence against a certain group of people

[ShootersShoot]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize. By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most. Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

Quite the illogical straw man.

This isn't an issue of free speech; Kyrie's speech isn't being restricted by the government. Kyrie is being held accountable by his corporate employer for spreading racist propaganda, and the weight of his own narcissism prevents him from being empathetic of his actions.

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

[Slax]

You two are killing any chance of this topic staying a live. Just drop it.

Why would anyone want this thread to stay open? It's low quality discourse and filled with bigotry.

That may be true.

But at the same time, you always have users making good points and educating others... in this case the discussion around free speech.

That's fair, I'm just wary of the possibility that the people "educating" others could also be the bigots.

[jman3134]

'Here's $500k. I really don't disagree with anything I posted and I renounce none of it, but stop hate! No one should be hateful. I'm sorry some people mistakenly took my post in a hateful way.'

Gaslighting 101 hahaha

[Dirk]

There are documentaries, books, videos, lectures, and theories that deny aspects of the transatlantic slave trade, for example. There are people that claim the whole thing was made up or exaggerated. I don't see this and automatically call them racists. That would be silly. I first consider their point of view based on the information. I then dismiss it or accept it and move on. I don't understand.

What documentaries, books and videos deny the transatlantic slave trade?

Let's maybe not encourage him to spread conspiracies here on the General Board? Not every view needs every platform. He has plenty of places to share this that aren't here, no?

The best way to expose someone, their ideas and conspiracy theories is to actually know about where he gets them from. So I don't think anyone would be swayed if that user replied.

In any case, I was merely asking him because he clearly has been playing an act in these topics.

[DaddyCool19]

What I want to know is what's eating him up inside to make him go down this path? As an optimist I feel like there has to be a good reason for someone to get invested in stuff like this. Some sort of axe to grind or injustice they feel like they have to solve. I'm fascinated by stuff like this.

I don't know if we'll ever know the answer.

Some people are just dumb as hell and think too highly of themselves. Surround them by yes mens and you get Kyrie

[tripa]

What I want to know is what's eating him up inside to make him go down this path? As an optimist I feel like there has to be a good reason for someone to get invested in stuff like this. Some sort of axe to grind or injustice they feel like they have to solve. I'm fascinated by stuff like this.

I don't know if we'll ever know the answer.

As a black man its very hard to find out about your history. Sometimes people get caught in weird rabbitholes instead. Thats probably the best way that I can explain it

[topnotch]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize. By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most. Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

So if Nikola Jokic or some white superstar promotes "The Birth of a Nation" or some KKK documentary, you think that's fine too?

I would'nt give 2 doo doos if they posted a link to a movie on Amazon to birth of a nation or any kkk documentary

not 2 doo doos

they have that right, I prob would'nt buy their shoes anymore or follow hem as much but I would not give a single ounce of doo doo

they shouldnt be extorted into apologies, lose their livilihoods, be forced to pay millions of dollars to orginizations they dont actually support, be cancelled for posting a link to amazon that also posts the same link and profits from the video

use that energy in cancelling amazon for hosting it and profiting from it, when Amazon pays the NBA for streaming rights is Adam Silver gonna turn down the blood money? nope

ye and kyrie are proving a point at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars Im not a fan of either but I respect they willing to stand up for something whatever it is whether I agree with them or not

Im a grown man living in amerikkka, if youre not paying me or my bills I dont give a doo doo what you do in your free time long as your not physically touching me

the NBA has uber and door dash patches/ads everywhere, just those 2 companies are modern labor human trafficking apps they literally use an app instead of a gun to rob mostly senior citizens and immigrants into doing an hour of work for $4 gross million of times per day no one cares

all these crypto ads scamming people you can literally be coinbase crypto dot com for $400 in parts and umbrel

players shilling nfts not having a clue long as the check clears

gamblings ads every other commerical

I actually grew up on and love gangster rap but it has no place being played during commercial breaks/half times hows where children can hear it

and nike / china haha its literally modern slaves making all these shoes

I watch the NBA to see the best basketball players PLAY basketball they atr not role models or anyone Id consider taking advice from unless it was about basketball

all these dudes from commissioner on down are capitalist parasites and hypocrites, they are not heroes they hoopers thats it, hey exist to entertain me period, I care about them as much as they care about me.

[CeltsfaninDC]

but he didn't really promote hate speech did he? He shared a link to a book. He didn't say anything directly about Jews negatively, he actually said the opposite that hes got love for all.

Yeah, he did
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/kyrie-irving-antisemitism-non-apology-for-movie-17555214.php
Don't dismiss literal bigotry and nazi propaganda because you like how Kyrie bounces a ball. You're making excuses for him because of the color of his skin. Meyers Leonard did far less and is gone. Kyrie crossed a line

[CeltsfaninDC]

Cool to see a lot of people in the NBA community speaking out about the association with the ADL. If he wants to stand against hate there are so many better organizations to be associated with.

Sad day for the NBA.

What?
yikes these takes just get worse and worse

[Slax]

What I want to know is what's eating him up inside to make him go down this path? As an optimist I feel like there has to be a good reason for someone to get invested in stuff like this. Some sort of axe to grind or injustice they feel like they have to solve. I'm fascinated by stuff like this.

I don't know if we'll ever know the answer.

As a black man its very hard to find out about your history. Sometimes people get caught in weird rabbitholes instead. Thats probably the best way that I can explain it

This seems likely. More generally, he's very clearly attracted to the idea of attaining secret/special knowledge and understandings that other people don't have, which is a trait a lot of people who end up getting into conspiracy theories share.

[CeltsfaninDC]

What documentaries, books and videos deny the transatlantic slave trade?

Let's maybe not encourage him to spread conspiracies here on the General Board? Not every view needs every platform. He has plenty of places to share this that aren't here, no?

The best way to expose someone, their ideas and conspiracy theories is to actually know about where he gets them from. So I don't think anyone would be swayed if that user replied.

In any case, I was merely asking him because he clearly has been playing an act in these topics.

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/kyrie-irving-antisemitism-non-apology-for-movie-17555214.php
for a complete overview of this nazi garbage

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

i'd rather he just be candid and say exactly how he feels instead of trying to be the smartest guy in the room with a huge ego talking down to the reporters.

just say what you want to say and stop trying to be not-politically correct while being politically correct.

if anything, he's a bit of a coward not really speaking his mind.

He's basically acting like Windhorst, but wrong and antisemitic. It is horrible to watch.

[semjazy]

Well you're wrong, it isn't semantics.

When you invoke a declaration of "He doesn't have Free Speech". The term "Free Speech" holds 100s if not 1000s of years of back history. Monarchies, churches, etc. All using tactics to suppress ideas that could shake or alter the foundation on which their power lies. Hence why one of the core foundations of the United States is based on Free Speech.

Freedom of societal impact or repercussions is an entirely different story. If society doesn't like what you have to say and you lose out financially because of it... well... tough? You had the freedom to say what you said without being imprisoned or executed. That's all we can really ask for.

Respectfully disagree. This is arguing semantics because we're debating on whether or not the government must be involved for this to qualify as official "freedom of speech". What's the ACTUAL topic here? It's that his speech is being restricted, not whether the government is involved. Therefore... it's semantics.

Interestingly, to tie back to your comment earlier about the concept/potential of "infiltration of government into social media, the impact that has on Free Speech"...
Who's to say the government isn't fully involved in this via media? That's up for debate, so you know what, even by stringent definition of freedom of speech, I could still be accurate.

Whatever, it doesn't matter... Kyrie posted a pretty messed up documentary, he SHOULD acknowledge the issues there, but I respect his right to post it and don't think he should be destroyed for it, even if it is bad stuff.

What are you on about mate? Has anyone prevented Kyrie from speaking? Not one little bit. Again consequences for your speech is not the same as not having freedom to make it.

What you seem to want is some nirvana where you can say whatever wild **** you want with no consequences whatsoever. Which is fine to antt, ignorant as hell, but fine to not understand all the negative implications of what you think you want. But it has nothing to do with freedom of speech, which Mr. Irving continues to enjoy.

it is just the opposite. Kyrie is encouraged to speak. He had several occasions to plead guilty and apologize (sincerely). Everyone in Nets organization and the association wants him to do so, because it's bad look for the league. But he chose not to do so. Instead he uses Black Hebrews talking point that cannot be anti-Semitic because of his background