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Post#101 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:32 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Embiid can play defense still, he just chooses when to. It's annoying, but he's a prideful guy and knows what clowns like Keith Pompey are saying.


Keith was in a Ringer podcast two weeks ago saying guys were not happy because there was no consistentcy in doc's decissions and no explanation for the little playtime Matisse, Reed and Shake were getting.

Today he published a column saying doc isn't the problem

Guy just says whatever keeps him on his job.
Yup now he's saying Embiid has an issue with Harden holding the ball. He is such a shill not sure why others validate him by inviting him to this stuff. He has zero credibility.

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Post#102 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:39 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Embiid can play defense still, he just chooses when to. It's annoying, but he's a prideful guy and knows what clowns like Keith Pompey are saying.


Keith was in a Ringer podcast two weeks ago saying guys were not happy because there was no consistentcy in doc's decissions and no explanation for the little playtime Matisse, Reed and Shake were getting.

Today he published a column saying doc isn't the problem

Guy just says whatever keeps him on his job.
Yup now he's saying Embiid has an issue with Harden holding the ball. He is such a shill not sure why others validate him by inviting him to this stuff. He has zero credibility.

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Post#104 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:45 am

You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began
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Post#105 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:48 am

One thing I hate to see when we run the Biid PnR is Biid likes to pop to the 3pt arc and not jacking it.

So what the opponent C would do is they would drop and ice the ball handler. This forces the ball handler to kick it to Biid who’s at the 3pt line.

Biid either settles for a iso or throws it back to the guard for a reset most times.
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Post#106 » by Murray_17 » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:48 am

76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



It's difficult to say this or that there is even a narrative when Embiid has only played 6 games this season.
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Post#107 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:49 am

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76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



It's difficult to say this or that there is even a narrative when Embiid has only played 6 games this season.


Yes i agree but based on 6 games what do you think?
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Post#108 » by Murray_17 » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:55 am

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Yes i agree but based on 6 games what do you think?


That i don't know? Yeah we have played more Harden centric ball, but that's also a result of Embiid not being fit, i suspect Embiid can be a little upset, but there are several reasons for it, not related with Harden being ball dominant.

For example, he can be mad because he's actually not playing well.

Harden was also, actually, shooting less than Maxey before he got injured.


Team is probably adjusting and people is human and can be mad when they see no result on experimentation
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Post#109 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:01 am

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Yes i agree but based on 6 games what do you think?


That i don't know? Yeah we have played more Harden centric ball, but that's also a result of Embiid not being fit, i suspect Embiid can be a little upset, but there are several reasons for it, not related with Harden being ball dominant.

For example, he can be mad because he's actually not playing well.

Harden was also, actually, shooting less than Maxey before he got injured.


Team is probably adjusting and people is human and can be mad when they see no result on experimentation


Yeah, agree. I think we’re still experimenting and not seeing results that is leading to all the negative emotions
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Post#110 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:03 am

76ciology wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
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Keith was in a Ringer podcast two weeks ago saying guys were not happy because there was no consistentcy in doc's decissions and no explanation for the little playtime Matisse, Reed and Shake were getting.

Today he published a column saying doc isn't the problem

Guy just says whatever keeps him on his job.
Yup now he's saying Embiid has an issue with Harden holding the ball. He is such a shill not sure why others validate him by inviting him to this stuff. He has zero credibility.

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Well that sort of validates it. Harden is up there, and Embiid is not. Maxey is pretty high as well.
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Post#111 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:05 am

76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



Yeah I can see that narrative, I just think Keith makes it up. He might be frustrated, but I doubt he wants Harden off the team, or is mad at him. He was around him all summer, and they were buddied up.
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Post#112 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:12 am

76ciology wrote:
Murray_17 wrote:
76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



It's difficult to say this or that there is even a narrative when Embiid has only played 6 games this season.


Yes i agree but based on 6 games what do you think?



I think a lot of it is on the coach. It's early. The coach needs to make sure there are no egos, and theyr'e doing stuff for the good of the team. Harden can't be Houston Harden, he needs to involve Biid more. He has two lethal scorers in him and Maxey. He needs to swallow his pride a lil and make it so Embiid and Maxey are #1 and #2 and he's #3 on offense. He's the most inconsistent of the bunch, and past his prime at this point. But a lot of it is on doc. They were also fine last year for 20 games and the playoffs, so I don't really buy it.
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Post#113 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:24 am

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76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



Yeah I can see that narrative, I just think Keith makes it up. He might be frustrated, but I doubt he wants Harden off the team, or is mad at him. He was around him all summer, and they were buddied up.


I think guys like Keith mix all the legit sourced info, made up info and fake info from legit sources. I also think that fact changes time to time, so this player could hate whats going on for now but he could be ok later, so that could explain the contradicting reports.

All these are just noise and what you can’t fake is real world data, which is their performance on the court
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Post#114 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:29 am

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76ciology wrote:
Murray_17 wrote:

It's difficult to say this or that there is even a narrative when Embiid has only played 6 games this season.


Yes i agree but based on 6 games what do you think?



I think a lot of it is on the coach. It's early. The coach needs to make sure there are no egos, and theyr'e doing stuff for the good of the team. Harden can't be Houston Harden, he needs to involve Biid more. He has two lethal scorers in him and Maxey. He needs to swallow his pride a lil and make it so Embiid and Maxey are #1 and #2 and he's #3 on offense. He's the most inconsistent of the bunch, and past his prime at this point. But a lot of it is on doc. They were also find last year for 20 games and the playoffs, so I don't really buy it.


Like Murray said, maybe its experimentation.

Its early in the season and we’re just 5 games away from #1 spot.

I know you guys have low valuation on Doc. And Doc also has his share of mistakes. But Doc is the type of coach who wants to know what are all his cards, so he can use it down the road.

For instance in 2020-2021 season, we run those 4 guard units with Danny Green at the 4, which we used in the playoffs.

I just find that he lacks experimenting big line-ups. Which have been both Doc and Morey’s problem in their past stint before the Sixers and what the league is trending towards right now.
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Post#115 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:37 am

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eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:You guys don’t buy into the narrative that Embiid has problem with Harden holding the ball too long?

Personally, i dont know the real story behind so i’d just be guessing. And players wont tell you the truth. But I find the narrative partly true. I noticed the ball gets to Embiid too late when we play with Harden, that it mostly ends up as end of shotclock possessions.

Maybe that was what Doc and Harden talking about when they got mic’d before the season began



Yeah I can see that narrative, I just think Keith makes it up. He might be frustrated, but I doubt he wants Harden off the team, or is mad at him. He was around him all summer, and they were buddied up.


I think guys like Keith mix all the legit sourced info, made up info and fake info from legit sources. I also think that fact changes time to time, so this player could hate whats going on for now but he could be ok later, so that could explain the contradicting reports.

All these are just noise and what you can’t fake is real world data, which is their performance on the court


Yeah this is probably closer to the truths. There are a lot of half truth's in what Keith rights. He just makes it more sensational for the clicks.
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Post#116 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:38 am

As with all things, if we start winning or go on a streak, all these stories will go away. It will be interesting and more drama filled if we win without Harden, and then when he comes back we start losing again lol.

Knowing us that's exactly what will happen.

IMO what will happen is that Embiid will make a mini MVP run in the next month, putting up numbers similar to what he did last year before Harden arrived. It'll be the perfect disaster for this team when Harden comes, and then the mojo gets a little messed up. Honestly I think eventually it'll be fine though, just need the team to have time to gel. Bigger issues is the playoffs when Doc **** things up again.
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Post#117 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 4:48 am

The Suns is one of the few teams that we can match in terms of size and speed.

They run with midgets at 3&4 positions and specially without Cam Johnson.

17th on transition pts
23rd on rebounds
27th in pace (we’re 30th)
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Post#118 » by the_process » Tue Nov 8, 2022 5:12 am

Embiid still wants to be MVP. It’s a damn shame everything he said this summer was lip service.

Ultimately this falls on Glenn being able to integrate all the pieces. And we already know he cannot do it.
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Post#119 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 8, 2022 5:21 am

the_process wrote:Embiid still wants to be MVP. It’s a damn shame everything he said this summer was lip service.

Ultimately this falls on Glenn being able to integrate all the pieces. And we already know he cannot do it.



Can't really blame him, but I agree that it's probably better to put it to bed. That being said he needs to play like an MVP now for us to win, so it'll be hard for him to switch that mode off. Embiid is a better defender when he's more offensively engaged. IT's just facts and a lot of stars are like that. Luka and Giannis are in the lead righ tnow for MVP along with probably Mitchell, Tatum and Morant. Embiid can easily sneak in there with a nice 6-7 game win streak and numbers similar to last year. As Morey has said, he believe this is a chip team with MVP embiid. MVP Embiid is 30 point Embiid unfortunately. As much as it must suck for Harden he really needs to be taking a back seat and letting Jo and Maxey shine. That's on Doc though.
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Post#120 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 5:21 am

the_process wrote:Embiid still wants to be MVP. It’s a damn shame everything he said this summer was lip service.

Ultimately this falls on Glenn being able to integrate all the pieces. And we already know he cannot do it.


There’s one way to solve this. Put Reed to play with him where he won’t be able to constantly just stall the offense with his ISO ball (altho he still can with high volume of mid range) but you’d be so much better on defense.

The solution is so obvious

Averaging 30 this season, is not as special as it was before.
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