2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

problem with Jarace is I just don't know what his role is in the NBA, I want him to scale as a big for me but I'm not sure he has the length or defensive juice in the paint to be that.

also just hard to find a comp for this guy, such a unique body/skill set. he's kinda like a bigger Zion I guess but not as good defensively in college and obviously not as explosive or generally as good.

Not everybody needs a comp. Comps oversimplify prospects anyways. Jarace is clearly a 4. And if his team goes small, he can play some at the 5.

No need to overthink it. The guy is a physical freak, man child with good athleticism. 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan, put up some monster numbers against some of the top prep school teams in the country and is now starting for arguably the best team in college basketball - these type of guys have a high success rate. Can lead the break, initiate offense, make good passes, can put it on the floor, strong finisher, can shoot it decently well. Has some moves off the dribble to create a shot. Good, switchable defender.

if he's really 7"2 that'll go a long way, we'll see.

and i agree, not everyone needs a comp, that def makes him unique, but it also makes him harder to project. doesn't mean he's not a good prospect, but a more risk averse GM might shy away tho.

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problem with Jarace is I just don't know what his role is in the NBA, I want him to scale as a big for me but I'm not sure he has the length or defensive juice in the paint to be that.

also just hard to find a comp for this guy, such a unique body/skill set. he's kinda like a bigger Zion I guess but not as good defensively in college and obviously not as explosive or generally as good.

He's built like Amir Johnson or Julius Randle. He's gained 15 lbs at least in the past year and is still only 19. He's clearly becoming a 4 or smallball 5. He probably has enough of a perimeter skillset to play as a modern 4 (e.g., Marcus Morris). He'll need to shoot consistently though.

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Hopefully Nick Smith doesn’t play too much , so his stock can slip a bit. Lol

Word around scout land, not everyone sold on him anyway because his rim attack is floater reliant

If Keyonte George keeps showing the ability to play on the ball and defend, I could see him sneak past Smith on some draft boards.

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brandon miller with a nice game - and he will be moving up draft boards as the season progresses.

For me, it all depends on how he matures physically. There have been a bunch of skinny, long wings who can shoot, but tend to float around the perimeter because they aren't strong or explosive enough to put pressure on the rim. Recent examples include Louis King and Ziaire Williams.

Until I see more from Miller, I don't have him as a bonafide triple-threat guy. That said, if the shot making is there, he could be a complementary player in the mold of a Nic Batum or maybe a Khris Middleton. But if that's the case, then he's not a top-10 guy for me.

[Duke4life831]

Im curious how Gradey Dick is going to look going up against most likely Mark Mitchell.

[clyde21]

brandon miller with a nice game - and he will be moving up draft boards as the season progresses.

For me, it all depends on how he matures physically. There have been a bunch of skinny, long wings who can shoot, but tend to float around the perimeter because they aren't strong or explosive enough to put pressure on the rim. Recent examples include Louis King and Ziaire Williams.

Until I see more from Miller, I don't have him as a bonafide triple-threat guy. That said, if the shot making is there, he could be a complementary player in the mold of a Nic Batum or maybe a Khris Middleton. But if that's the case, then he's not a top-10 guy for me.

Middleton averaged 23/7/6 per 36 on 49/40/91 the last 2 seasons

he's a legit all star level player, if Brandon Miller is that he's well worth a top 5 pick lol

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brandon miller with a nice game - and he will be moving up draft boards as the season progresses.

For me, it all depends on how he matures physically. There have been a bunch of skinny, long wings who can shoot, but tend to float around the perimeter because they aren't strong or explosive enough to put pressure on the rim. Recent examples include Louis King and Ziaire Williams.

Until I see more from Miller, I don't have him as a bonafide triple-threat guy. That said, if the shot making is there, he could be a complementary player in the mold of a Nic Batum or maybe a Khris Middleton. But if that's the case, then he's not a top-10 guy for me.

Middleton averaged 23/7/6 per 36 on 49/40/91 the last 2 seasons

he's a legit all star level player, if Brandon Miller is that he's well worth a top 5 pick lol

Yeah, but that's pretty much a best-case scenario and probably a generous one.

[Duke4life831]

Tshiebwe is going to be a big that is going to be able to give you 20-25 minutes every night from day 1 for like a decade. His rebounding is truly ridiculous and he is a good athlete and plays defense. Ya no potential as an all star or anything because he lacks any kind of on ball perimeter ability, but the dude is going to be a solid pro.

[clyde21]

Tshiebwe is going to be a big that is going to be able to give you 20-25 minutes every night from day 1 for like a decade. His rebounding is truly ridiculous and he is a good athlete and plays defense. Ya no potential as an all star or anything because he lacks any kind of on ball perimeter ability, but the dude is going to be a solid pro.

plug n play guy, can immediately contribute for a PO team looking for more rebounding juice

[Duke4life831]

Tshiebwe is going to be a big that is going to be able to give you 20-25 minutes every night from day 1 for like a decade. His rebounding is truly ridiculous and he is a good athlete and plays defense. Ya no potential as an all star or anything because he lacks any kind of on ball perimeter ability, but the dude is going to be a solid pro.

plug n play guy, can immediately contribute for a PO team looking for more rebounding juice

Yup. You know what youre going to get from day 1 with this guy. He is as safe of a pick as I can think of. Pick 20 on I wouldnt hesitate drafting him.

[clyde21]

Daimion Collins still looks tiny for an NBA 5, he has crazy length but just looks very small

[Duke4life831]

Man it really does blow my mind how K fell apart as a coach. Watching Cal and this UK team its just like watching Duke from the last 8 years or so. The most basic offense you can think of. Practically no off ball screens, very very little PnR. Just roll the ball out there and hope your talent advantage is enough and they can create something on their own.

Duke's first 2 games this year they had more off ball movement, more screens and more PnR in those two games than the last few years under K that I can remember.

Cal needs to update his offense.

[clyde21]

Livingston completely invisible so far these games

[Duke4life831]

Livingston completely invisible so far these games

Ya way too quiet of a start for someone ranked as high as him. Quiet the 1st two games and not going to lie, completely forgot he has even seen the court tonight.

[clyde21]

Livingston completely invisible so far these games

Ya way too quiet of a start for someone ranked as high as him. Quiet the 1st two games and not going to lie, completely forgot he has even seen the court tonight.

Chris Livingston
Keion Brooks - transferred
Bryce Hopkins - transferred
Terrence Clarke - down year, RIP
Brandon Boston - down year, 2nd round
Cam Fletcher - transferred
Kahlil Whitney - transferred to GL

wings in the last 4 recruiting classes for Cal

he just doesn't seem to be able to develop wings at all

last one that worked out was Keldon, and even he had a down year at UK and went bottom of the first

that's not to say Livingston is in that group yet, but if he stays this way the rest of the year people need to start asking questions about wings and Kentucky

[Duke4life831]

Livingston completely invisible so far these games

Ya way too quiet of a start for someone ranked as high as him. Quiet the 1st two games and not going to lie, completely forgot he has even seen the court tonight.

Chris Livingston
Keion Brooks - transferred
Bryce Hopkins - transferred
Terrence Clarke - down year, RIP
Brandon Boston - down year, 2nd round
Cam Fletcher - transferred
Kahlil Whitney - transferred to GL

wings in the last 4 recruiting classes for Cal

he just doesn't seem to be able to develop wings at all

last one that worked out was Keldon, and even he had a down year at UK and went bottom of the first

that's not to say Livingston is in that group yet, but if he stays this way the rest of the year people need to start asking questions about wings and Kentucky

Yup. Like I was saying before, he runs such a basic no movement offense. That is one edge id give even late K, he also ran that BS simplistic offense, but if he had wings he'd use them (Tatum, Ingram, RJ, Cam, Winslow, Jabari and so on). Cal runs that basic offense but only allows his PGs to handle the ball. Curious if Justin Edwards is going to fall under that same nonsense.

[clyde21]

Ya way too quiet of a start for someone ranked as high as him. Quiet the 1st two games and not going to lie, completely forgot he has even seen the court tonight.

Chris Livingston
Keion Brooks - transferred
Bryce Hopkins - transferred
Terrence Clarke - down year, RIP
Brandon Boston - down year, 2nd round
Cam Fletcher - transferred
Kahlil Whitney - transferred to GL

wings in the last 4 recruiting classes for Cal

he just doesn't seem to be able to develop wings at all

last one that worked out was Keldon, and even he had a down year at UK and went bottom of the first

that's not to say Livingston is in that group yet, but if he stays this way the rest of the year people need to start asking questions about wings and Kentucky

Yup. Like I was saying before, he runs such a basic no movement offense. That is one edge id give even late K, he also ran that BS simplistic offense, but if he had wings he'd use them (Tatum, Ingram, RJ, Cam, Winslow, Jabari and so on). Cal runs that basic offense but only allows his PGs to handle the ball. Curious if Justin Edwards is going to fall under that same nonsense.

if am a wing recruit id think twice about joining UK with that recent history of wing busts

again we'll see what happens with Liv but early returns don't look great either.

[clyde21]

if the Warriors were in the POs today I'd legit trust Big O more than I would Wiseman with a 10-15 min burn, earning that NIL money

[Duke4life831]

if the Warriors were in the POs today I'd legit trust Big O more than I would Wiseman with a 10-15 min burn, earning that NIL money

Oh a 100% haha. Oscar understands basic defensive awareness and rotations. He also plays with something Wiseman has never heard of... a motor. Really all Oscar needs to do is advance in his passing game and he would be an ideal big for GS.

[Duke4life831]

Quick soapbox rant again. This shouldve been opening night for college basketball. 2OT game between UK and MSU, with KU vs Duke following that up. Get your head out of your ass NCAA and learn how to maximize your product.