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[E-Balla]

One thing to mention about last game is Randle was froze out at the end. No touches at all. It worked. Hope Thibs notices this and continues to let it happen.

[F N 11]

If RJ has been sick, why is he playing?

We have this allegedly 'deep' roster - and RJ sucks to high heaven when not 100% (think the middle of last season). Why is he even playing if he is not 100%.

Grimes is right there and Still couldn’t sit RJ lol. Didn’t do it to not hurt Fournier feelings.

[dakomish23]

Anybody ever seen Hancock? How those together only made things worse? That's starting to feel the same for Randle and RJ

It wouldn't be an issue if they played the way they should, not pretending to be offensive juggernauts. But this team doesn't learn.

[F N 11]

RJ supporters in shambles right now as it seems Jimmit was right all along

Except, of course, Jimmit is wrong because his RJ hate is based on Randle love, and Randle is as horrible as RJ.

So team Randle AND team RJ fail.

I think that means Chanel wins.

[Capn'O]

As soon as Obi starts the fans will be disappointed. He is his own player not the antithesis of Randle. As his own player he is a guy who stands in the corner and can't do much when a body stays in front of him.

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Trust me, I'm not sure Obi is an NBA starter. For all the projecting of stats, it's not a given that production against benches translates to production against starters.

I know your thing is the forum finds whipping boys. Randle certainly was one.
Just be glad I'm coming to the understanding the issue isn't Randle, it's Randle and RJ together

It's not their fault, they don't need to be vilified. They are a poor fit together, one I'm not sure a "star wing" would fix. Maybe. I doubt it.

Obi has a few kinds of advocates.
One group believes his backup stats will translate, he has that ability
Another group likes him because he's not Randle, though for somewhat different reasons
Yet another group likes Obi because they think that he'll "fit" better in the starting lineup, dominating the ball less, moving it more, based on believing his shooting from 3 will continue.
Of course, there is the Venn diagram overlap.

I'd play Randle and Obi together, if anything.
It's the only way the team can remotely have RJ and Randle on the floor at the same time, and even then it wouldn't really be good.

Roster is flawed beyond any simple fixes and a strong reason for that is building around Randle and RJ.

Correct. I just don't see how you can watch Obi play ... beyond highlights ... and see a starter. He has big games in run and gun situations. Half court he needs to be spoonfed everything.

The Knicks need an upgrade in their offensive system.

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I don't see a starter but I wish Thibs would ride the momentum a little more with him. For the things he can do - make teams stop him before pulling him. Especially with his newfound 3-ball, the offense can cook because of his spacing for awhile until there's an adjustment. And they have to stick him because he's a strong threat for a drive. Roll with it.

[Gravy]

If we drafted Brunson we would be talking about how amazing he is nonstop almost as much as Frank

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[Capn'O]

Something I like about IQ lately is he's been much shiftier with the pacing of his drives. Almost like SGA the way he starts and stops and that's allowed him to get deeper in to the cup where he's an excellent finisher and passer when he doesn't have the finish.

Also, his defense is very good.

[GONYK]

If we drafted Brunson we would be talking about how amazing he is nonstop almost as much as Frank

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I co-sign that not nearly enough keystrokes are dedicated to how good Brunson is on this board.

[F N 11]

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Please break out we need it lol

[F N 11]

Ask Cam If he wasn’t happy RJ was in the game catching alleys and getting passes in the pocket from RJ.

[3toheadmelo]

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Please break out we need it lol

We down bad

[ctorres]

At this point, there's no reason to play Fournier or Rose.

Let IQ backup Brunson and see if Grimes can carve out backup 2/3.

The way the minutes work out, Rose and Brunson take up all of the minutes at point guard.

Quickley is getting all of his minutes at SG and SF.

If anything, McBride would be next in line to take Rose's minutes, being that McBride is the 3rd string point guard on the team.

[Capn'O]

We have more than enough picks to find those guys, or we can let them develop. As is I see no reason why IQ, RJ, Grimes, Mitch, and Obi can't all be expected to be above average starters in the next 3-4 years. Maybe not superstars but definitely starters for a competitive roster.

I don't think anyone in our FO or coaching staff thinks we have the star we need on this roster right now.

Me neither, but we do have the guys we'll need around that star when we get them if we don't panic and make a bad move. Literally the only thing I can fault them for is all of our lottery picks outside of RJ and RJ was legitimately just bad luck (which is what you're most likely to have when you're tanking as a team building strategy). With every other lottery pick we've had there's been an obvious star player available that ended up being a superstar or better than whoever we selected instead.

And all of them were **** point guards

[TerrenceClarke]

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Please break out we need it lol

We down bad

I will take it. We need a high upside wing and he is has the highest upside of all our wings.

[Capn'O]

If we drafted Brunson we would be talking about how amazing he is nonstop almost as much as Frank

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+2. He is nice. And he has a special disdain for Mike Conley.

[KnicksNext]

Cam is everything we wish RJ was. An athlete with above average NBA level athleticism who can do it all. He's faster, quicker, can jump out of the gym, can hit contested shots, can even potentially be a closer if he keeps progressing.

I don't want to go overboard so I'm not going to buy into Cam too much yet, because we've been burned so many times when these players get to their contract years and then dedicate themselves that year. I don't think he has the mental makeup to be that guy, but we'll see. I'll keep some hope alive that he can mature and evolve as he gets older.

Others have said this and it's so damn true. If you take Cam's abilities and combine them RJ's mental makeup, you have that elite potential right there. That player would be something to get really, really excited about. RJ is just not in Cam's league when it comes to pure NBA athleticism, which is too bad. He will be a damn good player for a long time, but he just doesn't have those elite qualities that every star in the NBA has. It's not something that can be coached either, it's what he was born with.

Maybe RJ can work with Cam on how to approach life and how to be a professional NBA player. Maybe he's been doing it already, who knows. But that is where the hope has to be at this point.

[KnixtapeH20]

RJ was abysmal shooting the rock tonight.

He needs to lock in the gym with the Shaolin monks and shoot for 7 years straight.

Obi Toppin
9 pts
3-4 3pt
6 reb
4 ast
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18 mins????? WTH ?? I demand justice for this malpractice!!

Did yall hear that RJ been sick for the past few games? I didn't know about that until Breen said it a few times. Why did we never hear about this days ago? Or did I miss it, def wasn't said during the broadcast the last few games

I said if Obi didn't play 25+ minutes this game Thibs shouldn't be allowed to leave Utah... **** terrible coach

I'd say we're lucky that Jazz played like **** but that would make us unlucky to win....

I got crushed for saying Knicks hide injuries. I don’t have time to go back and see who it was. RJ has clearly been off. I saw him limped off and some of us said he looked drunk. Noe it comes out he was recovering from something through Breen and wearing mask on sideline. We didn’t know Grimes was hurt UNTIL someone spotted a boot on him in a twitter post. Then Knicks broke news all of a sudden.

How y’all feel now?

Yup I mentioned u in a previous post about that reference.

[blueNorange]

they really need to get rid of bum ass randle.

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[Capn'O]

Cam is everything we wish RJ was. An athlete with above average NBA level athleticism who can do it all. He's faster, quicker, can jump out of the gym, can hit contested shots, can even potentially be a closer if he keeps progressing.

I don't want to go overboard so I'm not going to buy into Cam too much yet, because we've been burned so many times when these players get to their contract years and then dedicate themselves that year. I don't think he has the mental makeup to be that guy, but we'll see. I'll keep some hope alive that he can mature and evolve as he gets older.

Others have said this and it's so damn true. If you take Cam's abilities and combine them RJ's mental makeup, you have that elite potential right there. That player would be something to get really, really excited about. RJ is just not in Cam's league when it comes to pure NBA athleticism, which is too bad. He will be a damn good player for a long time, but he just doesn't have those elite qualities that every star in the NBA has. It's not something that can be coached either, it's what he was born with.

Maybe RJ can work with Cam on how to approach life and how to be a professional NBA player. Maybe he's been doing it already, who knows. But that is where the hope has to be at this point.

Yes, and this is why I don't have much use for getting down on RJ. RJ will be as good of a player as he can be. I'm not sure what that level is but I don't think it's superstar. I'd put it as good starter. But, as you say, Cam could be better quite comfortably. That is, if you don't let him get too comfortable.

[ctorres]

Unless Reddish wants to go to another team so he can get out of Barrett's shadow, the Knicks are gonna need to trade picks along with Fournier for an expiring (Eric Gordon) just so they can re-sign Reddish in the summer. I said it previously, but I am saying it again for emphasis!

There will be some team out there who will see Reddish's tools and will offer him a $15+m/yr contract to him, and offer him a starting SG or SF spot.

It might not matter how hard Grimes can work on his game, or his basketball IQ. He will never have Reddish's tools. Grimes will always just be 6'5. If we are lucky, Grimes might have a Courtney Lee type career, but even Courtney Lee was very athletic in his first few seasons. Grimes already has a foot problem.

Prove me wrong Grimes!

Knicks have Cam's rights and can go over the cap to sign him

They CAN go over the cap, but I don't know if they will without freeing up salary.

I don't know if it's the best example, but remember when we were unwilling to go over the cap to keep Jeremy Lin. Instead, we elected to bring back Raymond Felton for much cheaper in the summer of 2012.