Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[Zonkerbl]

A strong woman who endured the vile, misogynist propaganda campaign waged against her by utter scum who didn't have the courage to match her convictions or intellect. The GOP will be forever stained by their contemptible behavior towards her and other powerful women they were too weak to treat with dignity, like civilized people with a proper upbringing would have. Pelosi will go down in history as one of the most effective House Speakers ever.

[Bonscott]

Finally Pelosi is going away !!! Although the hag would've been voted out anyway.Thanks to republicans great things are already happening and it'll get even better when DeSantis moves into the White House

[Zonkerbl]

Lol

[dckingsfan]

You know what else beats most hedge funds over that time? Random broad based ETFs. That’s not exactly difficult.

She will go down as one of the best speakers of the last 50 years because of (a) all the actually beneficial legislation she was able to herd the democratic cats into passing during her time as speaker, and (b) the competition is like a child rapist, Newt **** Gingrich, and some other clowns that did **** all for anyone. Only a bozo would think someone the vast right wing media apparatus has lied about for decades is actually bad at their job.

Incredibly manipulated... Russian bots at work.

[bsilver]

Elon Musk has probably destroyed Twitter. The only reason for anyone staying now is the paycheck.
Would a Democrat buy a Tesla now? Certainly less than before, plus there’s beginning to be more electric options.

[dobrojim]

I think the dems were smart in doing a complete overhaul of the leadership.
Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn are 82, 82 and 83 respectively.
The young voters who already are trending Dem are more likely to continue
given these changes.
LOL at the GOP. Few voters are going to be favorably impressed by their
priorities during the next 2 years. Do they honestly believe a majority
of Americans feel sorry for the poor insurrectionists stuck in jail.
That said, I do support reform to improve jail conditions generally.
The GOP never cared since they percieve POCs, even though they are not the
majority of prisoners are incarcerated at 4-5 times the rate, are the
primary victims of inhumane conditions.

Investigations of Hunter B and Garland have the potential to backfire
and/or expose the ridiculous hypocrisy when the results of the investigations
are put side by side with what the GOP was completely mum about,
Trump's kids while they were govt employees and his various AGs.
The investigations will accomplish nothing that will make the
lives of their voters better.

I heard from a friend last night who's family lives in KY. 2 of her first
cousins have lost children to opioid ODs. Their quality of life is incredibly
bad. Nothing that their reps in congress are doing is likely to make any
material difference in the desperate lives they are leading.

[Zonkerbl]

Meh, don't underestimate how much people want to be lied to. As far as your average Bonscott knows, his kids died of opioid addiction because of CRT

[Zonkerbl]

Meh, don't underestimate how much people want to be lied to. As far as your average Bonscott knows, his kids died of opioid addiction because of CRT

[pancakes3]

there are so many issues that Dems can be talking about instead of playing defense against Republican talking points, such as opiods.

there's a solar factory that the republican governor is taking credit for when it's a dem win

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/first-solar-selects-alabama-for-new-factory-as-ira-prompots-boom.html

just too much Orange Man Bad - like yeah, we've beaten that horse. and the key is to keep hammering away at core issues the same way Trump hammers on the wall or whatever it is he's messaging. Trump is still talking about Hillary's emails. Dem ads are so fleeting. They need to keep talking about the infrastructure bill from now until 2024. Keep saying how R's keep voting against Voting Rights bill. R's keep voting against insulin cost bill. Repeat it. You can talk about new stuff, and informed voters will pick up on it, but also play the hits so that the disinterested suburban "independents" internalize the message. Like, Trump won in 2016 a large part by saying he was going to bring COAL MINING back, and won voters across the country who never worked a day of coal in their lives. Hillary was getting in the weeds about how there will be job training and career transitioning when she could have just said "i'm creating jobs too. better, safer, and higher paying jobs" and keeping it at that. and now in 2022 we have the luxury of facts to point to like with the First Solar plant.

[dobrojim]

oh I'm not expecting sudden insight and conversion.

Next thing Golfy will be promising to bring back the carriage/buggy industry too.

PS I love having solar panels on my roof.

[closg00]

Garland names Jack Smith special counsel for Trump criminal probes
Smith, a former chief of the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section, will oversee criminal matters related to former President Donald Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/18/garland-to-appoint-special-counsel-for-trump-criminal-probes-00069451

Garland punts

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

[verbal8]

garnered from the online comments to a Jennifer Rubin column

Is there a line in Vegas for which criminal case will be brought first? Georgia for election fraud or DC/Florida for theft of government records?

I would like to bet the house on Georgia.

Fani Willis isn't fighting(and winning) all these subpoena battles for the fun of it. Maybe some of the supporting cast get indictments, but impossible to see the primary target as anyone other than Trump.

While Trump is clearly the central figure with the documents case, if people are stupidly willing to go to jail for Trump, it might make it hard to build a case against Trump. Especially if some are willing to inflate their involvement to protect Trump.

Ironically one path to jail for Trump might be getting elected again. If he doesn't have a decisive win of the GOP primaries, his selection of VP might be made by the remnants of the establishment. That might make even a GOP Congress willing to impeach(and convict him). With a bi-partisan impeachment it is pretty hard for the DOJ to say it would be political to try him criminally.

[verbal8]

Pelosi to not run for leadership in the upcoming term

the end of an era in which she made history and was quite effective.

I do hope they pass the rule against congresscritters trading stock in the lame duck session.

I think Jeffries is a great choice to follow her.

[verbal8]

there are so many issues that Dems can be talking about instead of playing defense against Republican talking points, such as opiods.

there's a solar factory that the republican governor is taking credit for when it's a dem win

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/first-solar-selects-alabama-for-new-factory-as-ira-prompots-boom.html

just too much Orange Man Bad - like yeah, we've beaten that horse. and the key is to keep hammering away at core issues the same way Trump hammers on the wall or whatever it is he's messaging. Trump is still talking about Hillary's emails. Dem ads are so fleeting. They need to keep talking about the infrastructure bill from now until 2024. Keep saying how R's keep voting against Voting Rights bill. R's keep voting against insulin cost bill. Repeat it. You can talk about new stuff, and informed voters will pick up on it, but also play the hits so that the disinterested suburban "independents" internalize the message. Like, Trump won in 2016 a large part by saying he was going to bring COAL MINING back, and won voters across the country who never worked a day of coal in their lives. Hillary was getting in the weeds about how there will be job training and career transitioning when she could have just said "i'm creating jobs too. better, safer, and higher paying jobs" and keeping it at that. and now in 2022 we have the luxury of facts to point to like with the First Solar plant.

Biden should make an ad showing that solar plant and the workers at it. While showing all the Coal mines that closed(or remained closed) during Trump's presidency. Basically show voters we give you something new and Trump gives you empty promises.

[verbal8]

Garland names Jack Smith special counsel for Trump criminal probes
Smith, a former chief of the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section, will oversee criminal matters related to former President Donald Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/18/garland-to-appoint-special-counsel-for-trump-criminal-probes-00069451

Garland punts

While the timeline might be helpful to Trump, I think it is at best neutral for him. One aspect of it that seems bad for Trump is that both investigations are under the Special Prosecutor. It is probably especially bad for any of his cronies who were involved in both.

Garland may have seen it as a choice of he(Biden's AG) could indict Trump in a month or two, and Trump of course would cry "politics" and it may have some traction in public opinion and/or the jury pool. Or he accepts a somewhat slower timeline and delegates the indictment decision and that has less traction, and is pretty much a non-starter from a legal defense perspective.

This being said, I do see how it can seem like a parallel to the NYC situation where Trump go away with his crimes there because indicting him ended up as a game of hot potato and no one involved had the courage to bring charges.

[Zonkerbl]

Opioids isn't a gop talking point as far as I know. Neither party has the cojones to decriminalize heroin, I dare someone on either side to claim they have a plan other than jailing mre poor (mostly white, btw) people and making the problem worse.

We know that's what happens, it's why we had the war on drugs, to punish black people

[dobrojim]

It's not a talking point at least partly because they have no answer.
The best answer would be to do a better job at the underlying causes
of becoming an addict, like the utter hopelessness of finding meaningful
employment in rural America. The mega wealthy in charge of the GOP
seem uninterested in making those kinds of investments in human capital.

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

[dobrojim]

Finally Pelosi is going away !!! Although the hag would've been voted out anyway.Thanks to republicans great things are already happening and it'll get even better when DeSantis moves into the White House

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/18/cartoons-by-clay-bennett-matt-davies-pia-guerra/

The first and last of these political cartoons belong in this thread within a thread.
I'm sure Bonscott will enjoy.