Fake Trade Thread #4

HornetJail · Post #1641 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:52 am

nature_boyy97 wrote:I still believe 100% Charlotte will trade for KAT this season. Winning player or not or whatever, they've got contracts they're trying to shed, and dude is still an all-star that'll be available when Minnesota realizes by January this isn't working. They want that Melo/Bridges/KAT big three.

it's literally not possible. He's restricted till past the deadline

Offseason though, let's talk if that KAT/Gobert duo isn't working. I'm a fan

bravor · Post #1642 » by **bravor** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:57 am

Assets wise, a good trade target could be Fournier. He's basically on an expiring next year (his 2024 year is a team option) and nyk would probably pay to move him. Need a third team though (i did it with Oubre since it makes the most sense).
I did not check what first they have though. But a 2024 or 25 1st would not be a bad gamble (Geting assets for the Cooper Flagg draft, he's probably the next big thing for the US).

nature_boyy97 · Post #1643 » by **nature_boyy97** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:50 pm

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
nature_boyy97 wrote:I still believe 100% Charlotte will trade for KAT this season. Winning player or not or whatever, they've got contracts they're trying to shed, and dude is still an all-star that'll be available when Minnesota realizes by January this isn't working. They want that Melo/Bridges/KAT big three.

it's literally not possible. He's restricted till past the deadline

Offseason though, let's talk if that KAT/Gobert duo isn't working. I'm a fan

Oh damn, I could've sworn it goes up in January.

But yeah KAT is looking like the only all-star available for trade soon the Hornets could make a deal for. DeRozan maybe? If Lonzo's done and Chicago decides to blow it up.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1644 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:18 pm

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/al-horford-contract-ben-simmons/

Talks about how execs about the league will or might be interested in Hayward, Rozier, Plumlee, and perhaps even PJ.

amcoolio · Post #1645 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:30 am

I see no reason not to fire sale. We firesaled in 2011 and were in the playoffs a few years later. We firesaled after losing Kemba and two years later were in the play-in. You can get Rozier, Hayward, PJ quality players in free agency two years from now if you really want them with a clean capsheet. It's not like we are losing big pieces by trading them off. Let the teams that need to win take them off our hands, reset, and get the same quality players when you want to win again later.

Rich4114 · Post #1646 » by **Rich4114** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:07 am

amcoolio wrote:I see no reason not to fire sale. We firesaled in 2011 and were in the playoffs a few years later. We firesaled after losing Kemba and two years later were in the play-in. You can get Rozier, Hayward, PJ quality players in free agency two years from now if you really want them with a clean capsheet. It's not like we are losing big pieces by trading them off. Let the teams that need to win take them off our hands, reset, and get the same quality players when you want to win again later.

We have kind of a unique golden opportunity here. Step one is figuring out who is the long term core and who isn’t. We know Hayward and Rozier are not long term core pieces. PJ can be if it’s on the right deal, but it’s going to take restricted free agency for that to happen.

So we stay on the current path of tank while also gaining assets / flexibility and pieces that are more long term fits. This is the best scenario to have it play out. Heavily injured somewhat good teams have been turned into contenders by this happening. I’m not upset if we keep losing but I am upset if we get healthy in February and climb into the 9th worst record and treadmill land. 4-13 now, this roster isn’t close to healthy and is not built to go on a huge winning streak. Be smart, punt the ball and score a touchdown on the next drive.

nature_boyy97 · Post #1647 » by **nature_boyy97** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:50 pm

Rozier + Oubre + Plumlee + 3 1RP for Zach Lavine, y'all fw it?

Braggins · Post #1648 » by **Braggins** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:09 pm

I still lean towards keeping PJ, but would fire sell any other vet. PJ won't be all that expensive. Hes also not a floor raiser, so won't hurt the tank this year, but also is someone who fits well with other good players and should be entering his prime as a pretty good ceiling raiser when they shift back to winning mode in a season or two. They should also still be able to trade him for draft capital after resigning him if the rebuild ends up taking longer than expected.

SWedd523 · Post #1649 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:40 pm

nature_boyy97 wrote:Rozier + Oubre + Plumlee + 3 1RP for Zach Lavine, y'all fw it?

**** no

-Ian- · Post #1650 » by **-Ian-** » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:12 am

nature_boyy97 wrote:Rozier + Oubre + Plumlee + 3 1RP for Zach Lavine, y'all fw it?

You have the Hornets as your favorite team but it seems you want the team to get fleeced with this trade.

nature_boyy97 · Post #1651 » by **nature_boyy97** » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:50 am

I'm just tryna get Melo a co-star, we need one if we're ever gonna make noise

Chapelchilla · Post #1652 » by **Chapelchilla** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:42 pm

nature_boyy97 wrote:Rozier + Oubre + Plumlee + 3 1RP for Zach Lavine, y'all fw it?

What? That is terrible

Rays Pompadour · Post #1653 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:30 am

What's your trade valuation for...

Plumlee
Rozier
Richards
Gordon

I'm asking for perspective for when teams try to poach Hornets players.

Also, I consider Oubre to have negative trade value at this point (seriously, there is no addition by subtraction here, though I consider Oubre an empty stat player). Kai Jones has negative value, though it's because he's undeveloped, so I didn't put him on the list. Bouknight, too, for the same reason.

Post #1654 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:34 am

Rays Pompadour wrote:What's your trade valuation for...

Plumlee
Rozier
Richards
Gordon

I'm asking for perspective for when teams try to poach Hornets players.

Also, I consider Oubre to have negative trade value at this point (seriously, there is no addition by subtraction here, though I consider Oubre an empty stat player). Kai Jones has negative value, though it's because he's undeveloped, so I didn't put him on the list. Bouknight, too, for the same reason.

Plumlee - An expiring better fit (defensive wing) or a second
Rozier - A late first or a promising young player and less years salary filler - although his recent play isn't helping
Richards - No need to trade him unless someone's offering decent firsts
Gordon - Expiring filler - any picks are a bonus

Post #1655 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:46 am

I'll also add we need to move PJ before the deadline for some assets if we aren't interested in paying him 15-20 million a year for 3-4 years. Getting an expiring back for Terry and/or Hayward would make keeping him and extending/matching him much more palatable though.

Post #1656 » by **Diop** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:48 am

Oubre might have some value, he's expiring, having a career high in steals with 1.6 per game and has filled a lot of the scoring gap for Charlotte. I can see a contender looking for depth taking him on to end the season.

JMAC3 · Post #1657 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:21 pm

Order of guys I think get traded + value that I think is fair (examples of said player, but necessarily that exact player/team)
Plumlee- 1 second and youngish player (Jaxson Hayes/RJ Hampton)
Oubre- 1st plus a longer term negative deal or 2 decent 2nds
DSJ- 2nd and a young player who hasn't panned out, but our FO likes still. (Jason Preston/Jordan Nwora)

None of guys above are sexy, but are cheap and could play a solid role for a playoff team.

Rozier- 1st, young player and no more than 2 years in matching salary
Gordon- Doubtful, I think we attach Denver pick with him for a better player after this year
McDaniels- could be throw in with one of players listed above to get more value back.
PJ- He hasn't played so well that teams are going to throw money at him, I say keep him unless someone is willing to toss us a pick in the 10-16 range. Other than that give him 3/45 maybe with a 4th year TO.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1658 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:42 pm

I'd probably get sick if we traded DSJ

JMAC3 · Post #1659 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:59 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd probably get sick if we traded DSJ

Really? He is a UFA, so chances he comes back are very slim unless we want to overpay him. Why would he sign with a tanking team instead of a contender for the bi-annual exception for example?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1660 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:01 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd probably get sick if we traded DSJ

Really? He is a UFA, so chances he comes back are very slim unless we want to overpay him. Why would he sign with a tanking team instead of a contender for the bi-annual exception for example?

I'm just merely stating we finally have stability at the PG position, and I'd like to keep that stability.