Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[Pointgod]

Confessing to feelings of real vulnerability about my 2 LGBTQ adult kids
in the wake of the latest attack on similar people in CO.

I hope Popper understands how completely wrong it would
be to support a politician like his governor who commits
stochastic terrorism on a near daily basis.

Genuinely sorry you and your family have to go through that. It’s insane that people are perfectly fine associating themselves with hatefulness. This exact type of behavior is what has led to some of the darkest times in history.

[FAH1223]

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[dobrojim]

faced with the likelihood of this kind of mischief, I hope the dems
can pass a debt ceiling bill in the lame duck. Better yet, just get
rid of the whole notion that it needs to be statutorily raised. The
full faith and credit of the USA shouldn't be at risk because of this.

[dobrojim]

Confessing to feelings of real vulnerability about my 2 LGBTQ adult kids
in the wake of the latest attack on similar people in CO.

I hope Popper understands how completely wrong it would
be to support a politician like his governor who commits
stochastic terrorism on a near daily basis.

Genuinely sorry you and your family have to go through that. It’s insane that people are perfectly fine associating themselves with hatefulness. This exact type of behavior is what has led to some of the darkest times in history.

thank you. The much larger tragedy is that the country is susceptible to this
kind of divisiveness to a degree that some truly sick individuals are moved
to commit mass murder.

[TGW]

Sad that a comedian has to school these neo-liberal scumbags on foreign policy:

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[dckingsfan]

Sad that a comedian has to school these neo-liberal scumbags on foreign policy:

Instead of letting someone steer you - watch the entire episode.

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[dobrojim]

Great rant even if it is 'old news'

Still relevant in light of CO Springs and our ongoing epidemic of stochastic terrorism.

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[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

^
What has actually been accomplished in the since 1/20/21 has been impressive.
Compare and contrast that with the period between Jan 2017 and Dec 2019.
It's incredibly stark. The only thing they got done was a tax cut that was lied
about in terms of what it would do to the economy and the budget deficit.

[dckingsfan]

^
What has actually been accomplished in the since 1/20/21 has been impressive. Compare and contrast that with the period between Jan 2017 and Dec 2019. It's incredibly stark. The only thing they got done was a tax cut that was lied about in terms of what it would do to the economy and the budget deficit.

Or contrast that to the Bush tax cuts and forever wars... just saying.

[closg00]

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Objectively Biden has been a pretty good President and history will be kind to him. However, I hope and expect that he will not seek re-election, should Trump fail to win the nomination, DeSantis or just about any other R would trounce an 82 y/o Biden.

[dobrojim]

I wouldn't be heart broken if he didn't run. I would be concerned that a candidate with less
than a really good chance of winning would become the nominee.
Of the major candidates in the 2020 dem field, I'm not convinced at all
that any of them would have won, even though I did prefer a couple of
them over Joe. This is based on convos I had at the time and since
then about candidates perceived to be more progressive than Biden,
with my friends that are more middle of the spectrum.

[pancakes3]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

[montestewart]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

If Biden runs against DeSantis, rather than Trump, you’ll be hearing a nonstop rant about old versus young, and that argument might resonate with a lot of voters who are on the line, especially younger voters.

[pancakes3]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

If Biden runs against DeSantis, rather than Trump, you’ll be hearing a nonstop rant about old versus young, and that argument might resonate with a lot of voters who are on the line, especially younger voters.

i don't know how many young voters are on that line. i can see it working with older Gen X independents who legitimately believe the Fox newsclips about Biden losing it, or "getting lost" on stage etc.

will still be overwhelmingly along party lines though.

another awkward convo is about whether to replace Kamala as VP. I think she needs to be more visible in these next 2 years. Not that she's doing a bad job.

[dobrojim]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

I would love to see Sheldon Whitehouse run. He's freakin great. From a blue state.

[dobrojim]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

The one thing that would be unprecedented (and therefore unlikely) would be for Biden
to run (and win) then resign 2 years later. But I would prefer the VP at that time was not Harris.
I doubt she'd win re-election. A country as racist (and sexist) as the US is pretty unlikely to
elect a black woman.

[dobrojim]

i don't see any viable alternatives. furthermore, the frontrunners for alternatives, newsom (CA), booker (NJ), warren (MA) all hail from firmly blue states. buttigieg is from indiana which could win electoral votes, but someone from TX, FL, MI, or PA would be better.

that and the same old complaint that Dems are bad at planning power succession. 2016 and 2020 really showed the lack of forethought, and 2024 might play out as bad as 2016. Biden's still probably the best bet to nominally win, and the added bonus of him actually getting policies and legislation passed.

If Biden runs against DeSantis, rather than Trump, you’ll be hearing a nonstop rant about old versus young, and that argument might resonate with a lot of voters who are on the line, especially younger voters.

i don't know how many young voters are on that line. i can see it working with older Gen X independents who legitimately believe the Fox newsclips about Biden losing it, or "getting lost" on stage etc.

will still be overwhelmingly along party lines though.

another awkward convo is about whether to replace Kamala as VP. I think she needs to be more visible in these next 2 years. Not that she's doing a bad job.

Not sure DeathSantis' youth will convert that many young people, but the cohort you mention would
be more in play perhaps, although they aren't as concerned about the age of candidates, being older themselves.

A very close friend who is center-left has explicitly told me he thinks Biden is senile now.
That belief is already out there.

[Zonkerbl]

Reagan had Alzheimer's *while in office*

[Zonkerbl]

Honestly now that the GOP have stuffed the SCOTUS with hyper partisan hacks, elections just don't matter anymore, it's just a matter of time before they tear Democracy down. Each election we lose a right or a state, or a DA gets elected who will hand the POTUS election to the GOP regardless of who their citizenry vote for, not that it matters - here in Ohio Democrats won 47% of the vote and have 25% of the state senate seats. We're already living in a theocratic dictatorship, we're just frogs who don't realize the water's boiling yet