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Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve?

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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#301 » by tooler » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:54 pm

davey_wavy wrote:Here is how you know if youre all in on BOL.

If he were traded, would you be upset?

I honestly haven't had enough time to get emotionally attached to him.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#302 » by dsg2021 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:01 pm

davey_wavy wrote:Here is how you know if youre all in on BOL.

If he were traded, would you be upset?


Assuming a fair trade, I would welcome Steph Curry and Klay Thompson in with open arms 8-)
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#303 » by CLosP » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:07 pm

davey_wavy wrote:Here is how you know if youre all in on BOL.

If he were traded, would you be upset?


It would be silly to trade him based on his contract and potential unless you’re getting a star caliber guard or something too good to pass up.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#304 » by jezzerinho » Thu Dec 1, 2022 7:54 am

While I love BOL and his crazy ways, there's an undeniable reality:

Swiss Army Knives are very handy but in truth they spend 90% of their lives in a drawer. The purpose-made tool for each job is just that bit more effective and easy to use.

Point?
Bol is probably a bench and plug-the-gap guy, who is tremendously useful in a roster and could even be a minutes-leader because of his ability to fill so many roles adequately.

I'll also say this. The shooting is real. His touch and the forgiving angle at which the ball arrives at the hoop (due to the high launch point) mean his efficiency is absolutely sustainable, imo.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#305 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 1, 2022 2:02 pm

jezzerinho wrote:While I love BOL and his crazy ways, there's an undeniable reality:

Swiss Army Knives are very handy but in truth they spend 90% of their lives in a drawer. The purpose-made tool for each job is just that bit more effective and easy to use.



Beautiful!

I do agree about his shooting touch, even at the rim...many of his drives culminate in the ball "finding it's way in" after bouncing around. When I do that once, it's luck...When Bol does it 5x a game, it's touch! He's so intriguing and I hope Mose finds the perfect application of this bizarre weapon we've found.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#306 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 1, 2022 4:01 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:While I love BOL and his crazy ways, there's an undeniable reality:

Swiss Army Knives are very handy but in truth they spend 90% of their lives in a drawer. The purpose-made tool for each job is just that bit more effective and easy to use.



Beautiful!

I do agree about his shooting touch, even at the rim...many of his drives culminate in the ball "finding it's way in" after bouncing around. When I do that once, it's luck...When Bol does it 5x a game, it's touch! He's so intriguing and I hope Mose finds the perfect application of this bizarre weapon we've found.


I would like to see Magic face playoff opponent, or at least somebody who will drag them into full game of half court to see how his game holds.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#307 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 1, 2022 4:12 pm

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leo7 wrote:
ucfmay2000 wrote:Bol’s game reminds me some of Chet’s game. At this time, I don’t know if Chet is better than Bol but I feel like Magic just luckily landed #1 and #2 last year pick. Any thought???

I agree but I think Chet is still a better shooter and a smarter defensive player than Bol is right now. But that could maybe change if Bol keeps improving.


Chet is a much more careful and deliberate player than Bol. It's like the difference between Franz and RJ.
We may never know because Chet has only played a handful of games against NBA-type players. He's really good against short players.

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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#308 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 1, 2022 4:33 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:While I love BOL and his crazy ways, there's an undeniable reality:

Swiss Army Knives are very handy but in truth they spend 90% of their lives in a drawer. The purpose-made tool for each job is just that bit more effective and easy to use.



Beautiful!

I do agree about his shooting touch, even at the rim...many of his drives culminate in the ball "finding it's way in" after bouncing around. When I do that once, it's luck...When Bol does it 5x a game, it's touch! He's so intriguing and I hope Mose finds the perfect application of this bizarre weapon we've found.


I would like to see Magic face playoff opponent, or at least somebody who will drag them into full game of half court to see how his game holds.


I'm really thinking we should be moving towards being a grinding half court team. Franz & Paolo fit, perhaps a big space eating, pick-setting C like Adams might complete the picture (and bring in a SG for upgrading MEM's C spot with WCJ).
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#309 » by leo7 » Thu Dec 1, 2022 7:26 pm

I was just thinking wouldn't Brook Lopez be the perfect center for this team? Too bad he's 34.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#310 » by The-Stallion70 » Sat Dec 3, 2022 10:44 am

It does not appear that Bol is effective as a center. His ridiculous height and length does not make up for his extremely slight build and lack of strength or toughness. If there was one trade that could improve the current Magic team it would probably be for a veteran center who can battle in the middle like Valanciunas or Zubac. We certainly need WCJ back but we also need a backup behind him.

Bol, M-Wagner Paolo each look like power forwards.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#311 » by tiderulz » Sat Dec 3, 2022 1:56 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:It does not appear that Bol is effective as a center. His ridiculous height and length does not make up for his extremely slight build and lack of strength or toughness. If there was one trade that could improve the current Magic team it would probably be for a veteran center who can battle in the middle like Valanciunas or Zubac. We certainly need WCJ back but we also need a backup behind him.

Bol, M-Wagner Paolo each look like power forwards.

well his skill set and playing style are not center
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#312 » by The-Stallion70 » Sat Dec 3, 2022 2:14 pm

tiderulz wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:It does not appear that Bol is effective as a center. His ridiculous height and length does not make up for his extremely slight build and lack of strength or toughness. If there was one trade that could improve the current Magic team it would probably be for a veteran center who can battle in the middle like Valanciunas or Zubac. We certainly need WCJ back but we also need a backup behind him.

Bol, M-Wagner Paolo each look like power forwards.

well his skill set and playing style are not center


Certainly but he is being played as a center
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This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#313 » by Rainwater » Sat Dec 3, 2022 3:38 pm

I will take back a few things I said about Bol, I think he is best as a reserve. While he can score, he is a huge defensive liability, he is a terrible rebounder for his height, and doesn't really get to the free throw line.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#314 » by Knightro » Sat Dec 3, 2022 5:29 pm

Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#315 » by thelead » Sat Dec 3, 2022 7:12 pm

Knightro wrote:Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.

Agreed but he is still relatively young with little NBA experience. The problem is, to me, he is a SF/PF and we have those spots locked by Franz and Paolo. It may make sense to figure out how to feature him and then trade him for a backcourt starter.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#316 » by Rainwater » Sat Dec 3, 2022 7:35 pm

thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.

Agreed but he is still relatively young with little NBA experience. The problem is, to me, he is a SF/PF and we have those spots locked by Franz and Paolo. It may make sense to figure out how to feature him and then trade him for a backcourt starter.


I think him being a SF/PF is the less of his problems. Other than being a scorer he really brings little else to the game. He has the same issues of a Jabari Parker.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#317 » by NavalAviator94 » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:14 pm

Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.

Agreed but he is still relatively young with little NBA experience. The problem is, to me, he is a SF/PF and we have those spots locked by Franz and Paolo. It may make sense to figure out how to feature him and then trade him for a backcourt starter.


I think him being a SF/PF is the less of his problems. Other than being a scorer he really brings little else to the game. He has the same issues of a Jabari Parker.


I don't remember Jabari having any shot blocking ability or that he could literally shoot efficiently over any player either. Bol's just different
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#318 » by zaymon » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:22 pm

Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.

Agreed but he is still relatively young with little NBA experience. The problem is, to me, he is a SF/PF and we have those spots locked by Franz and Paolo. It may make sense to figure out how to feature him and then trade him for a backcourt starter.


I think him being a SF/PF is the less of his problems. Other than being a scorer he really brings little else to the game. He has the same issues of a Jabari Parker.


He provides rim protection, which is something. Combination of slow feet and weak body is very hard to overcome though. Good for a change of pace but at the same time weak defensive link on multiple levels. He is bad now he would be even worse in the playoffs. I dont like that we build hype around him if we want to retain him. Building up his value for a trade is different though, that could be very good idea
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#319 » by clyde21 » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:38 pm

Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:Bol is a very skilled player. But he's clearly better served as a bench player.

He has too many flaws, specifically on defense and finding success on offense within a halfcourt structure, to justify starting him.

They can keep starting him right now because none of this matters, but eventually he's gonna have to go to the bench.

Agreed but he is still relatively young with little NBA experience. The problem is, to me, he is a SF/PF and we have those spots locked by Franz and Paolo. It may make sense to figure out how to feature him and then trade him for a backcourt starter.


I think him being a SF/PF is the less of his problems. Other than being a scorer he really brings little else to the game. He has the same issues of a Jabari Parker.


?

he's infinitely more efficient scoring than Parker, better on the boards by a substantial margin and in a completely different class as a shot blocker/rim protector.

i don't get this comp at all tbh.
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Post#320 » by clyde21 » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:44 pm

problem is Paolo, Franz and Bol are all true 4s imo in an ideal lineup, Bol most likely will inevitably have to be relegated to the bench in this scenrio, and Wagner at the 3 is fine but sub optimal.

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