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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#424 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:09 pm

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hm


Terquavion is just a baller lol the kid screams another Jordan Poole like 6th man microwave (and quite frankly I still don't see what make Keyonte all that much better than him and NS Jr may be a better passer but I'm not seeing world's of a difference in them as players personally/I wouldn't take NS Jr top 5).

I LOVE the kid but his defence limits his upside to be a true star. I'd absolutely love to have him as a later pick we trade for but I think the goal should be to find a guy who can actually be a starting caliber type of star.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#425 » by HumbleRen » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:10 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:

hm


Terquavion is just a baller lol the kid screams another Jordan Poole like 6th man microwave (and quite frankly I still don't see what make Keyonte all that much better than him and NS Jr may be a better passer but I'm not seeing world's of a difference in them as players personally/I wouldn't take NS Jr top 5).

I LOVE the kid but his defence limits his upside to be a true star. I'd absolutely love to have him as a later pick we trade for but I think the goal should be to find a guy who can actually be a starting caliber type of star.


I don't think we'll tank as much as I'd love to see it. I think our pick will be in the 14-18 range so I'm checking out guys in that range.

Terquavion intrigues me at that area.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#426 » by Dalek » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:22 pm

This is a really good draft to blow it up and get some draft picks. Trade Gary, Fred, Pascal, and see what picks you can get back. Utah did a similar thing with Gobert and Mitchell and they got a haul of picks. Middling teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls all can give some draft assets.

Keep OG for his elite defense and Scottie for his potential, and then build around that.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#427 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:22 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:

hm


Terquavion is just a baller lol the kid screams another Jordan Poole like 6th man microwave (and quite frankly I still don't see what make Keyonte all that much better than him and NS Jr may be a better passer but I'm not seeing world's of a difference in them as players personally/I wouldn't take NS Jr top 5).

I LOVE the kid but his defence limits his upside to be a true star. I'd absolutely love to have him as a later pick we trade for but I think the goal should be to find a guy who can actually be a starting caliber type of star.


I don't think we'll tank as much as I'd love to see it. I think our pick will be in the 14-18 range so I'm checking out guys in that range.

Terquavion intrigues me at that area.


I think so too...

I like him, Maxwell Lewis, Ricky Council, Sidy Cissiko, Leonard Miller etc in that range as "realistic" targets. I'd be split on which one because I think the team NEEDS Terquavion, Council or Lewis' scoring most but I know how our management likes versatility which Sidy provides and LM just has that body/frame and upside they've generally liked in the past.




But personally I'm just praying one of Baba Miller, Anthony Black or GG Jackson can fall to us. Although I'm kinda giving Jarace Walker a chance to fall because he's really been made to be used like a young OG here, defend, shoot the 3 etc so maybe he can be a nice surprise or even Whitehead although it's also making me question their upsides as well but they obviously fit the mold of players we have going here.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#428 » by HumbleRen » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:29 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Terquavion is just a baller lol the kid screams another Jordan Poole like 6th man microwave (and quite frankly I still don't see what make Keyonte all that much better than him and NS Jr may be a better passer but I'm not seeing world's of a difference in them as players personally/I wouldn't take NS Jr top 5).

I LOVE the kid but his defence limits his upside to be a true star. I'd absolutely love to have him as a later pick we trade for but I think the goal should be to find a guy who can actually be a starting caliber type of star.


I don't think we'll tank as much as I'd love to see it. I think our pick will be in the 14-18 range so I'm checking out guys in that range.

Terquavion intrigues me at that area.


I think so too...

I like him, Maxwell Lewis, Sidy Cissiko, Leonard Miller etc in that range as "realistic" targets. I'd be split on which one because I think the team NEEDS Terquavion or Lewis' scoring most but I know how our management likes versatility which Sidy provides and LM just has that body/frame and upside they've generally liked in the past.




But personally I'm just praying one of Baba Miller, Anthony Black or GG Jackson can fall to us. Although I'm kinda giving Jarace Walker a chance to fall because he's really been made to be used like a young OG here, defend, shoot the 3 etc so maybe he can be a nice surprise or even Whitehead although it's also making me question their upsides as well but they obviously fit the mold of players we have going here.


Anthony Black falling to us would be amazing but I doubt it.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#429 » by HumbleRen » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:36 pm

Man, I don’t care that Amen can’t shoot. That bounce and coordination is generational.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#430 » by grant101 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:50 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Terquavion is just a baller lol the kid screams another Jordan Poole like 6th man microwave (and quite frankly I still don't see what make Keyonte all that much better than him and NS Jr may be a better passer but I'm not seeing world's of a difference in them as players personally/I wouldn't take NS Jr top 5).

I LOVE the kid but his defence limits his upside to be a true star. I'd absolutely love to have him as a later pick we trade for but I think the goal should be to find a guy who can actually be a starting caliber type of star.


I don't think we'll tank as much as I'd love to see it. I think our pick will be in the 14-18 range so I'm checking out guys in that range.

Terquavion intrigues me at that area.


I think so too...

I like him, Maxwell Lewis, Sidy Cissiko, Leonard Miller etc in that range as "realistic" targets. I'd be split on which one because I think the team NEEDS Terquavion or Lewis' scoring most but I know how our management likes versatility which Sidy provides and LM just has that body/frame and upside they've generally liked in the past.




But personally I'm just praying one of Baba Miller, Anthony Black or GG Jackson can fall to us. Although I'm kinda giving Jarace Walker a chance to fall because he's really been made to be used like a young OG here, defend, shoot the 3 etc so maybe he can be a nice surprise or even Whitehead although it's also making me question their upsides as well but they obviously fit the mold of players we have going here.


Some great names there. My preference this year is shot creation & scoring. Not sure I can bear another big wing with limited creation ability and shooting question marks! That said, I'd have to make an exception for Ant Black, GG Jackson or Jarace Walker (and potentially Baba Miller and Dariq, who I haven't seen much of). As for Terquavion - I love the guy, warts and all. Would be so nice to have a bucket getter on this team to give Pascal a break every now and then. Also, I think he flourishes with the extra spacing in the NBA, and his ability to score off the ball makes will enable him to get minutes on this team.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#431 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:04 pm

grant101 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
I don't think we'll tank as much as I'd love to see it. I think our pick will be in the 14-18 range so I'm checking out guys in that range.

Terquavion intrigues me at that area.


I think so too...

I like him, Maxwell Lewis, Sidy Cissiko, Leonard Miller etc in that range as "realistic" targets. I'd be split on which one because I think the team NEEDS Terquavion or Lewis' scoring most but I know how our management likes versatility which Sidy provides and LM just has that body/frame and upside they've generally liked in the past.




But personally I'm just praying one of Baba Miller, Anthony Black or GG Jackson can fall to us. Although I'm kinda giving Jarace Walker a chance to fall because he's really been made to be used like a young OG here, defend, shoot the 3 etc so maybe he can be a nice surprise or even Whitehead although it's also making me question their upsides as well but they obviously fit the mold of players we have going here.


Some great names there. My preference this year is shot creation & scoring. Not sure I can bear another big wing with limited creation ability and shooting question marks! That said, I'd have to make an exception for Ant Black, GG Jackson or Jarace Walker (and potentially Baba Miller and Dariq, who I haven't seen much of). As for Terquavion - I love the guy, warts and all. Would be so nice to have a bucket getter on this team to give Pascal a break every now and then. Also, I think he flourishes with the extra spacing in the NBA, and his ability to score off the ball makes will enable him to get minutes on this team.


Yeah I threw out Ant Black as THE pick the Raptors should want few pages ago or so I think (w/ a HL lol) short of fluking into the top 4. We all know this team has been trying to get players like him for years with LaMelo, SGA, Dyson etc...but like you & everyone else is saying, I just don't see him slipping that far, the absolute furthest I see him dropping is MAYBE 12th but I think like Dyson etc, when the draft comes rolling around, he'll build up steam & go somewhere between 6-9 range.

I think Baba Miller also has some pretty huge upside, listed as 6'10-11', the kid plays like a scoring wing, if he develops right here, he could be THE steal of the draft imo (and currently 2nd on my wish list which obv can change) --- like a guy you question whether if he should've went top 5 few years later. But again I don't think he falls outside the lottery and if anything worried the "new toy syndrome" people will have when Baba finally gets to play and people start seeing this huge wing with some fluidity knocking down shots. Dieng shot up and I think Baba is way better prospect personally.

GG is the last guy that just really fits the mold here, 6'9 (of course lol), plays really hard, great playing up tempo and fast break but he's surprising people with his much improved shooting and one of the youngest in this class (he's still 17 I believe) which is crazy and who's to say he's done growing?! I'm likely blabbing too much about guys unlikely to be there but who knows how much our team sputters through the rest of the season and/or what moves are made but this draft has so much potential that I'd be pretty furious if we traded our 1st for any crappy short term "solution" (that's not actually one) ie/ Poeltl when there's a very good shot at coming out of this draft with a player that I can see becoming a part of our core moving forward.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#432 » by Mark_83 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:57 pm

Dalek wrote:This is a really good draft to blow it up and get some draft picks. Trade Gary, Fred, Pascal, and see what picks you can get back. Utah did a similar thing with Gobert and Mitchell and they got a haul of picks. Middling teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls all can give some draft assets.

Keep OG for his elite defense and Scottie for his potential, and then build around that.

I agree. Although I'd semi blow it up by dumping Fred and Trent, while keeping Pascal unless it's for a top 10 pick. In that case, I drive Pascal to the airport and happily pick Brandon Miller.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#433 » by Dalek » Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:06 pm

Mark_83 wrote:
Dalek wrote:This is a really good draft to blow it up and get some draft picks. Trade Gary, Fred, Pascal, and see what picks you can get back. Utah did a similar thing with Gobert and Mitchell and they got a haul of picks. Middling teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls all can give some draft assets.

Keep OG for his elite defense and Scottie for his potential, and then build around that.

I agree. Although I'd semi blow it up by dumping Fred and Trent, while keeping Pascal unless it's for a top 10 pick. In that case, I drive Pascal to the airport and happily pick Brandon Miller.


I am with you on Pascal warranting a top ten pick. But, I also would be open to getting a younger player on a max deal in return (SGA straight-up or Jamal Murray+picks)
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#434 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:31 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Dalek wrote:This is a really good draft to blow it up and get some draft picks. Trade Gary, Fred, Pascal, and see what picks you can get back. Utah did a similar thing with Gobert and Mitchell and they got a haul of picks. Middling teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls all can give some draft assets.

Keep OG for his elite defense and Scottie for his potential, and then build around that.

I agree. Although I'd semi blow it up by dumping Fred and Trent, while keeping Pascal unless it's for a top 10 pick. In that case, I drive Pascal to the airport and happily pick Brandon Miller.


I am with you on Pascal warranting a top ten pick. But, I also would be open to getting a younger player on a max deal in return (SGA straight-up or Jamal Murray+picks)


SGA…for sure. I’m not sold on Murray just yet, he has to be able to do it consistently, not just that one big showdown with Mitchell.
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Post#435 » by will » Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:53 pm

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Post#436 » by will » Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:56 pm

This Raptors squad is so badly desperate in need of talent.
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Post#437 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:27 am

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grant101 wrote:
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I think so too...

I like him, Maxwell Lewis, Sidy Cissiko, Leonard Miller etc in that range as "realistic" targets. I'd be split on which one because I think the team NEEDS Terquavion or Lewis' scoring most but I know how our management likes versatility which Sidy provides and LM just has that body/frame and upside they've generally liked in the past.




But personally I'm just praying one of Baba Miller, Anthony Black or GG Jackson can fall to us. Although I'm kinda giving Jarace Walker a chance to fall because he's really been made to be used like a young OG here, defend, shoot the 3 etc so maybe he can be a nice surprise or even Whitehead although it's also making me question their upsides as well but they obviously fit the mold of players we have going here.


Some great names there. My preference this year is shot creation & scoring. Not sure I can bear another big wing with limited creation ability and shooting question marks! That said, I'd have to make an exception for Ant Black, GG Jackson or Jarace Walker (and potentially Baba Miller and Dariq, who I haven't seen much of). As for Terquavion - I love the guy, warts and all. Would be so nice to have a bucket getter on this team to give Pascal a break every now and then. Also, I think he flourishes with the extra spacing in the NBA, and his ability to score off the ball makes will enable him to get minutes on this team.


Yeah I threw out Ant Black as THE pick the Raptors should want few pages ago or so I think (w/ a HL lol) short of fluking into the top 4. We all know this team has been trying to get players like him for years with LaMelo, SGA, Dyson etc...but like you & everyone else is saying, I just don't see him slipping that far, the absolute furthest I see him dropping is MAYBE 12th but I think like Dyson etc, when the draft comes rolling around, he'll build up steam & go somewhere between 6-9 range.

I think Baba Miller also has some pretty huge upside, listed as 6'10-11', the kid plays like a scoring wing, if he develops right here, he could be THE steal of the draft imo (and currently 2nd on my wish list which obv can change) --- like a guy you question whether if he should've went top 5 few years later. But again I don't think he falls outside the lottery and if anything worried the "new toy syndrome" people will have when Baba finally gets to play and people start seeing this huge wing with some fluidity knocking down shots. Dieng shot up and I think Baba is way better prospect personally.

GG is the last guy that just really fits the mold here, 6'9 (of course lol), plays really hard, great playing up tempo and fast break but he's surprising people with his much improved shooting and one of the youngest in this class (he's still 17 I believe) which is crazy and who's to say he's done growing?! I'm likely blabbing too much about guys unlikely to be there but who knows how much our team sputters through the rest of the season and/or what moves are made but this draft has so much potential that I'd be pretty furious if we traded our 1st for any crappy short term "solution" (that's not actually one) ie/ Poeltl when there's a very good shot at coming out of this draft with a player that I can see becoming a part of our core moving forward.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#438 » by grant101 » Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:56 am

Still haven't sold any of my Judah Mintz stock. He's a baller, and his shooting is better than what the stats say.

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Post#439 » by Kevin Willis » Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:02 am

For our future C/PF player would the better choice be Koloko, Precious or GG Jackson? I think that could set us up nicely but what to do with Pascal / Barnes? I know you should draft BPA but having all 3 on the roster might be too much - of course you can get rid of Birch but Birch doesn't play a lot of minutes, not enough for this trio.
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Post#440 » by ItsDanger » Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:38 pm



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